Looking at buying a new black powder gun this year . Focused on the CVA Accura or the Traditions G4 right now as they seem to fit my needs and budget.
Any recommendations?
Thanks
GunRunner
Can't speak to either of those - but the TC Triumph is one of the nicest handling (light) and shooting muzzle loaders I've ever hunted with. 250 gr. Hornady sitting on top of 100 gr of Blackhorn powder...
Savage smokeless if you can find one and can afford it.
I have a remington I bought new 20 years ago. Shoots excellent but hard to clean. It will last me the rest of my life. Lots of good options out there but the 2 I mentioned are the only ones I have experience with.
My vote is for the Cva accura v2. I have one and its deadly. I shoot 240 grain hornady xtp bullets that keyhole the bull at 50 and 100 yards. That's as far as I shoot it.
Be sure and look at the CVA wolf.. it has great reviews and want break the bank..
Quote from: Jroddc on August 07, 2016, 06:10:13 PM
My vote is for the Cva accura v2. I have one and its deadly. I shoot 240 grain hornady xtp bullets that keyhole the bull at 50 and 100 yards. That's as far as I shoot it.
And I'll add it's extremely easy to clean.
Can't say I own an accura but i have friends that do. They will hold their own with any Thompson center muzzloader out there. Most companies have caught up with Thompson center. Paying for the name nowadays.
I would go with cva. I have a optima and wolf and both are great guns for the money.
There is no need to break the bank for a new inline. Most of them now says will shoot plenty good enough for most hunters needs. It's really all about what you want because they will all give you what you need!
I shoot an optima and love it. I really can't see spending more for something else. I got a stainless model and if they had made the wolf in stainless then I would have saved a few more dollars. Now they make the wolf in stainless and my buddy got one last season and it'll hang right with my optima. Overall, you can't go wrong with a CVA, and don't over look the cheaper models. One inch groups at 100 is hard to beat.
I HAVE A THOMPSON CENTER BEFORE Smith & Wesson Corp. BOUGHT THEM AND IM TELLING YA ITS A TACK DRIVER OUT TOO 175 YRDS
get yourself something with a large Siler flintlock, a Colrain, Getz or Green Mt. round ball barrel and don't look back
these new ignition systems are just a passing fad
Quote from: crow on August 07, 2016, 09:18:39 PM
get yourself something with a large Siler flintlock, a Colrain, Getz or Green Mt. round ball barrel and don't look back
these new ignition systems are just a passing fad
How many years is considered a passing fad???? :z-dizzy:
How many years is a passing fad x2. How many years have we shot 209's now. I'm not sure about those that cause the electric spark though. Just worried something would go wrong but it can with the other ignitions too.
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Quote from: crow on August 07, 2016, 09:18:39 PM
get yourself something with a large Siler flintlock, a Colrain, Getz or Green Mt. round ball barrel and don't look back
these new ignition systems are just a passing fad
How many years is considered a passing fad???? :z-dizzy:
well it's a joke, shoot what you like and have fun
I didn't know we were supposed to be all serious like when talking turkey hunting and it's Short Box VS LongBox ;D
Optima will smoke!
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Can't beat em for the proce
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I really like the Knight`s. Have owned all of the brands & prefer them. Mike
I've had them all. Don't really have a standout favorite. Had a CVA Optima and upgraded to an Accura. Recently replaced it with a Traditions Buckstalker. Not sure why but just felt I wanted the breech plug that removes easier at this point. The Accura was a shade more accurate but not enough to get all worked up about. However, if I were to get another one right now, it'd be a CVA with their new barrel treatment. They're guaranteed not to rust. I'm sure there's some fine print but that to me would be the best deal. Especially if you're hunting any kind of humid area with salt water present.
I use and recommend the Thompson Center PA Hunter. .495, .015, 80 grains powder works best for me, open sights of course. Don't fool with that modern stuff, hunt the blackpowder season like it was intended to be hunted.
It's hard to go wrong with today's smoke poles. Whatever you get, make sure you shoot black horn 209 with magnum shotshell primers (the ones for reloading shells not muzzleloaders). Most consistent shooting and easiest cleaning powder out there.
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Oh yeah, and Barnes spitfire tmz bullets.
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Quote from: beakbuster10 on August 08, 2016, 11:37:12 PM
It's hard to go wrong with today's smoke poles. Whatever you get, make sure you shoot black horn 209 with magnum shotshell primers (the ones for reloading shells not muzzleloaders). Most consistent shooting and easiest cleaning powder out there.
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X2!!!. I have a CVA Kodiak Pro and a TC encore. Both shoot great but the TC definitely is more handy to carry with its 26" barrel. The TC is also a lot easier to clean being a break action. I see some of these new ML's with 30" barrels which are way too long for anything but a beanfield gun. I think a 24-26" barrel is about the perfect barrel length.Id reccomend Barnes or scorpion pt gold sabots, I'd stay away from power belts.Good luck to ya!
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on August 08, 2016, 06:20:49 PM
I use and recommend the Thompson Center PA Hunter. .495, .015, 80 grains powder works best for me, open sights of course. Don't fool with that modern stuff, hunt the blackpowder season like it was intended to be hunted.
good advice considering that Missouri really don't have a muzzle loader season any more.
It is a alternative methods season now with everything from contenders to glock automatic.
I vote CVA optima, had mine since 04, killed a lot of deer with it. 2 nice bucks have died because of that gun.
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My traditions vortex is great. accurate and super easy to clean
T/C Impact is a great muzzleloader!
Very reasonably priced, and highly accurate!
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Quote from: beakbuster10 on August 08, 2016, 11:37:12 PM
It's hard to go wrong with today's smoke poles. Whatever you get, make sure you shoot black horn 209 with magnum shotshell primers (the ones for reloading shells not muzzleloaders). Most consistent shooting and easiest cleaning powder out there.
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X2!!!. I have a CVA Kodiak Pro and a TC encore. Both shoot great but the TC definitely is more handy to carry with its 26" barrel. The TC is also a lot easier to clean being a break action. I see some of these new ML's with 30" barrels which are way too long for anything but a beanfield gun. I think a 24-26" barrel is about the perfect barrel length.Id reccomend Barnes or scorpion pt gold sabots, I'd stay away from power belts.Good luck to ya!
I'll second the comment on the powerbelts. Those things are too soft to be reliable. Don't get me wrong, they'll kill deer. They just don't perform reliably at any distance or speed. They also allow to much gas to leak around the skirt making them unreliable over a chronograph. Having said that. different bores will have different tolerances so your mileage may vary. I've gone to the Hornady SST in the inlines and the sidelocks are shooting buffalo ball-ets.
Another vote for CVA Optima good shooting and very easy to clean
Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 10, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
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Having said that. different bores will have different tolerances so your mileage may vary. I've gone to the Hornady SST in the inlines and the sidelocks are shooting buffalo ball-ets.
That is something that a lot of folks don't realize. There are 6 guys that I hunt with and we all shoot optimas. They can go grab a pack of pre packaged loads of whatever they want and shoot consistent. My rifle turned out to have a larger bore so the off the shelf loads were way too loose to shoot consistent. I buy the SST bullets for hand loading then order oversized sabots and it is golden, not to mention cheaper. My point is that you may have to experiment a little bit to find the right load regardless what rifle you get, and there are way more options than what Bass pro has to offer. So don't give up if what your buddy shoots don't work for you.
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 10, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
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Having said that. different bores will have different tolerances so your mileage may vary. I've gone to the Hornady SST in the inlines and the sidelocks are shooting buffalo ball-ets.
That is something that a lot of folks don't realize. There are 6 guys that I hunt with and we all shoot optimas. They can go grab a pack of pre packaged loads of whatever they want and shoot consistent. My rifle turned out to have a larger bore so the off the shelf loads were way too loose to shoot consistent. I buy the SST bullets for hand loading then order oversized sabots and it is golden, not to mention cheaper. My point is that you may have to experiment a little bit to find the right load regardless what rifle you get, and there are way more options than what Bass pro has to offer. So don't give up if what your buddy shoots don't work for you.
x2 on the saving money as there is no reason for paying someone a dollar to put a bullet in a sabot for you ??? A box of Hornady xtp for reloading and a pack of sabots work great too.
X2 on the buffalo ballets, work great in 48,60 and 66 twist we have tried.
A good tight fit in the bore has always been a good idea whether patch and ball , maxi ball, ballet or sabot.
I killed a lot of deer with an Knight, Optima and Thompson Center Pro Hunter and still shoot every muzzle loader I can get my hands on. The best and most consistent I have found is a Thompson Center Pro Hunter in 50 cal. This rifle is easy handling from any stand either on the ground or in a tree. They make two models: one which on which the barrels can be changed (and stock) and allow you to shoot center fire rifle or pistol and the other that is muzzle loader only. I get MOA or SUB with my rifle shooting 200 g shock wave bullets basically the same if not the same as Hornady's SST's. I only use Buckhorn 209. Best part is that shockwave bullets are available at Walmart for under 12.00 bucks for 15.
But even better yet There is a guy named Mike Bellum that specializes in Thompson Center rifles and can sell you things like better springs, trigger kits and instructions on how to tune your trigger. He also does an awesome job on custom work if your rifle needs it. I purchased a whole spring set from him and also an instruction book. My rifle fires like a center fire rifle with MOA or sub, light but crisp trigger and I also purchased a tighter fitting hinge pin and a stronger hammer spring. check out his web site at http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=593 Nowhere will you find greater support for any muzzel loader in my opinion I am not a paid sponsor just wish to share what worked for me. Strange I thought I was on a Turkey forum? Never mind I am just as crazy about muzzle loaders.
Quote from: Brian Fahs on August 07, 2016, 06:08:12 PM
Savage smokeless if you can find one and can afford it.
I have a remington I bought new 20 years ago. Shoots excellent but hard to clean. It will last me the rest of my life. Lots of good options out there but the 2 I mentioned are the only ones I have experience with.
Have you put a bolt nose kit on it? If it is a Rem 700ML you can spend about $100 and have the bolt nose converted so it will be enclosed and it will eliminate all of the blow back that is such a PIA with that ML. Then you can shoot the Blackhorn 209 powder and it is one of the best ML's ever made.
I have owned cva,Thompson, and knight. Hands down knight is the nicest rifle to date. Avery accurate with all loads and has held up better than the others. East to clean, and for me handles much better. Mike
My vote is T/C. I hunt with an "old" omega. Bought it when they first came out. Killed a big doe with it this past December. It's been a good gun. I've never owned any of the others so can't offer an opinion on them.
I've got a stainless Knight DISC extreme with the thumb hole stock and a Leupold VX2 4-12x40 on top of it. Phenomenal trigger, great accuracy and pleasant to shoot w 110 of lose triple 7 and a 300 grain Harvester Scorpion PT.
I like the simplicity and reliability of the knight DISC platform despite the fact that it is difficult to clean by modern standards.
Shot a savage smokeless powder muzzleloader for quite a few years with a combo of 65 grains 4198 and a Barnes 300 gr original. The results were impressive to say the least.
I now enjoy shooting a custom built smokeless powder Muzzleloader starting with a McMillan stock, Remington 700 ML action, custom breech plug w/tungsten insert, 28" Brux barrel in 45 caliber, Timney trigger and Cerekote finished. Shooting 70 grains of 4198 and a 270 grain Parker Hunter Match point bullet sized w/smooth die so there is no sabot used. Topped off with a Leupold VX-6 this thing is fun to shoot long range.
I have owned 2 Traditions Deerslayer(I think), they did very well, especially for the price. But for accuracy, I have to stick with my 25 year old Thompson center.