What's an 1187 with the old Bottomland pattern worth? 12 gauge 28" barrel
This is the pattern I'm talking about. (https://www.gunpartscorp.com/pub/ProductImage/1164650.jpg)
It's probably worth 350-400 but they sell for more because people are crazy for those old Remington's
I wouldn't pay more than 400 for one in excellent condition. Any original gun with that pattern is pushing 20 years old and is really no different mechanically than the new ones in breakup that you can pick up at dicks on sale for 500.
Last time I looked the 11-87 sportsman was $649 at dicks, used ones in that pattern bring a priemum!
I've owned a few, and seen lots more but I was under the impression the Original Bottomland Special Purpose guns were only made in 26" and 21" barrels. I may be wrong, but just what I thought.
yes they were some made in the 28 inch but most were the 21 inchers
somebody that wants the original camoed guns will pay for one, your right they probably are no better than the newer ones, just kinda cool to have them in my opinion, but that's not worth much :OGturkeyhead: :OGturkeyhead:
Think of the money mossy oak could have saved in developing new camos over the years if they knew that 20+ years down the road their first pattern would be the "coolest"! Lol
Strange how it all works. I can remember when people were tired of the old original bottomland, tree stand and green leaf and wanted the new camo patterns which seemed to be more effective. I think if I wanted that camo I would just buy a new gun, hunt with it until the camo was worn and then dip in original bottomland.
Quote from: Farmboy27 on May 24, 2016, 08:46:39 PM
Think of the money mossy oak could have saved in developing new camos over the years if they knew that 20+ years down the road their first pattern would be the "coolest"! Lol
aint it funny how that works, I love that pattern, still have a shirt that pattern, but it's way to small just can't bring myself to toss it out!
What size is it? Ill take it and give it more life!! :)
One thing to think about for the new Remington vs the older Remington shotguns is the quality of manufacturing and the materials used.
I believe there is a vast difference in the quality of work on the older guns vs the newer guns. The older guns are better in my opinion. Look at the trigger guard of the new (plastic) and the old (metal) so see the difference in materials.
You may be able to get a new 11-87 for <$700 but I wouldn't want one when you can find the older guns, if you are patient, at less than that.
Exactly!! The steel in the new Remingtons is a much cheaper grade than the steel used in the Remingtons of the '90's. Those older models are much better built guns than the new ones.
The steels harder? This may be true, I don't have the equipment to check. Plastic trigger guards? Mossbergs have plastic trigger guards and they are the most popular turkey guns out there. (Benellis have em too). The fact is that with proper care and cleaning, no one should ever wear out any modern gun hunting turkeys. I know several sporting clay shooters who have worn out a couple 11-87s each but then again they shoot 400 shots or more a week.
There is absolutely no doubt that the older Remington's were built better than the modern ones. I'm a Remington guy and I won't buy a new one. Ill buy a pawn shop beater and fix it up before I buy a new one.
Quote from: Fieldturkey on May 26, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
There is absolutely no doubt that the older Remington's were built better than the modern ones. I'm a Remington guy and I won't buy a new one. Ill buy a pawn shop beater and fix it up before I buy a new one.
What year is considered new? I'm assuming that Remington changed the internals ... I haven't been tracking any significant changes.
Quote from: Fieldturkey on May 26, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
There is absolutely no doubt that the older Remington's were built better than the modern ones. I'm a Remington guy and I won't buy a new one. Ill buy a pawn shop beater and fix it up before I buy a new one.
Fieldturkey, I bought a 1992 Rem wingmaster 870 in 2004 that had been shot one time, stored in safe and taken out and oiled every few months...perfect condition..walnut wood. Paid the guy $400..needed Christmas money. They are all steel receiver verses alum. in the 870's express, etc. Well have started to use as my turkey gun now and it throws a wicked pattern with the longbeards 3" 6's in 26" barrel. Now that season is over have replaced stock with a remington synthetic and am having dipped in Mossy Bottomland....weigth is 7.3 and handled like a 20 gauge...they are my facorite shotgun...hands down.
Quote from: mlisandro on May 26, 2016, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Fieldturkey on May 26, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
There is absolutely no doubt that the older Remington's were built better than the modern ones. I'm a Remington guy and I won't buy a new one. Ill buy a pawn shop beater and fix it up before I buy a new one.
What year is considered new? I'm assuming that Remington changed the internals ... I haven't been tracking any significant changes.
2007 was the big buyout. Personally, if I were to buy a gun, I'd be looking at something about 3 years prior to that. Remington was going downhill at that point anyway. The only model 700 that I'd buy at this point is the 700 AAC/SD. The chambers are cut elsewhere and this helps to insure that it's at least cut correctly.
Quote from: Farmboy27 on May 24, 2016, 08:46:39 PM
Think of the money mossy oak could have saved in developing new camos over the years if they knew that 20+ years down the road their first pattern would be the "coolest"! Lol
What's old is new again...
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I have an SP-10 in that same camo...I love that gun!!
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Quote from: tha bugman on June 06, 2016, 04:02:50 AM
I have an SP-10 in that same camo...I love that gun!!
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I hunt with my cuz, he has the SP-10 in bottomland, and it's a turkey slayer.
If give a whole lot more for an old 870 than a new one I'll tell ya that. They actually work, and don't require all kinds of crap to get em to function properly.
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You have to remember that Remington was collecting nearly $600 for a 1187 , back in ...1987 that's nearly 30 years ago , and yet they have kept the price point at about that after 3 decades
If we were to add in inflation that would be $ 1263.70 in today's money .....so in a sense a 1187 is half the price as it once was .....market pressure from imports have likely pressured them to cut corners to keep those shotguns affordable , the walnut stocks with checkering , and high gloss blue jobs seem to be a thing of the past on most if not all the standard models , to be honest $500 for a bottomland 1187 seems like a bargain , you can hardly get a pistol for that these days
Remington was cutting edge performance and quality decades ago , but until recently they have slid market share badly to higher quality and performance imports , most notably bennelli --
I own 4 1187's and have shot many if not every high end auto on the market but the one I prefer as a all around waterfowl/ upland would be the Remington Versa Max I like the the gun shoots over the inertia guns
I had a buddy who owes a Remington 1187 bottomland and had nothing but trouble with it , I was shocked when he told me of the issues he had with it , I think he got a beretta and is much happier with it , I'm gonna reach out and see if he still has it