The cost to hunt spring turkeys for non-residents in Kansas has almost doubled from last year. $185 for a non-res hunting license and 2 turkey tags.
Still pretty cheap in comparison to a lot of other states
Still less expensive than Nebraska.
If the extra $$ goes to habitat/conservation/enforcement, then no worries.
Got to pay to play
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Quote from: snapper1982 on March 21, 2016, 08:23:13 PM
Um if memory serves it is the same as it was last year and the year before.
KS license went up in cost. I'm still ready to go. Seems like the going rate. $100.00 a bird. Iowa is $200.00 a bird
They was 125 last year..I'll gladly pay 185 to hunt KS
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Yeah they were around 125. Oh well hopefully gas stays down and the hunt will average out.
Yup, around $190 with fees...
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It was a slap in the face to residents at the old prices and we finally got that in the right person's ear. I wish it was higher.
Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 09:13:05 PM
It was a slap in the face to residents at the old prices and we finally got that in the right person's ear. I wish it was higher.
Afraid some nonresident is going to kill all your birds? Sorry just never understood that mentality. We're all Americans in my eyes. I couldn't care less who comes here. Back to the op. Turkey tags are getting ridiculous but with the popularity of hunting them the states see $$$. My tags will run $625 and that's just for a couple of states. When it costs as much to kill a 20lb bird that's literally everywhere as it does to kill a 800lb bull that's not that's what chaps my butt
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It's not about that. We pay thousands of dollars to Kansas every year in taxes. For someone to pay $10 more than a resident for a tag was a slap in our face showing us we don't matter. Kansas sportsman are tired of being crapped on and told we don't matter. We are also going after guide use on public land right now. If we have a premium product then charge a premium price.
Wow!! Resident tag is $175?
Resident tag was 20.50 non resident was 30.50
Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 10:13:21 PM
Resident tag was 20.50 non resident was 30.50
Had to buy a hunting license for 75 bucks when i went , didn't hunt anything else.
How much was yours? My under 16 year old then son didn"t get much of a break over there.
We all pay taxes.
I bought a lifetime years ago. You have to pay to play don't like it stay out we won't miss you.
Kansas has been around $130 for 2 tags and NR license since at least 2006. I've bought them every year over that span. Buy both tags and you get a little price break on the second one.
So the license nearly doubled.
FYI NR hunters pump tons of cash into your state annually purchasing tags to hunt your game animals so unless you want your taxes to go even higher you might want to rethink that approach of hoping for higher fees and fewer NR hunters. Not to mention the $ spent on fuel, food, lodging, gear, etc in your state that also is charged sales and other taxes. All of those tax dollars contribute directly to your state from NR pockets.
As someone said above at the end of the day we are all on the same side. I would love for you to come and hunt in Mississippi and spend the same (or more) money here that I spend annually between Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri.
I pay to play..the best part is that paying gets me great access to great private grounds...well worth it...
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Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 10:25:10 PM
I bought a lifetime years ago. You have to pay to play don't like it stay out we won't miss you.
Me thinks someone's underwear are a bit too tight.
I hunted Kansas several years ago and I believe the license fee was around $100 for 2 tags. Loved the experience, wildlife and scenery were beautiful. Had a great time and will probably return.
Native, Sorry you feel the way you do. Those people that come to your state, spend plenty of money, outside of the license fees, that help many Families that work in your state (food, gas, lodging, airlines, outfitters, land fees, jobs). Just doubling the license fees won't keep most from making the journey but if it makes you feel better than that's OK I guess.
200 is the ballpark non resident price for a out of state permit for SC , GA, AL, FL
nativeks isn't mad at anybody. When I read the thread line in bold print it looks like a non-res is throwing out a warning and all up in arms. :z-twocents:
Get em by March 31st save 10 bucks I got mine in mail several days ago and have no problem with the increase been while since they had one. Bigger one was deer looks like around 515 bucks for deer
we had a big increase this year in Tn. sportsman lic. was 133 now 166
I may be wrong, but I believe Georgia is $195 for NR and that's a year long license that covers small game, turkey and deer. They also have a 3 day liceens for around $90. If you hunt a WMA add another $73
I checked and to hunt my state of Mississippi for turkeys it's $320. $300 is the annual license fee for a NR which is what we get in Kansas. Mississippi does offer some 3,5 and 7 day NR licenses that are cheaper but none include the game tags. Up until this year Kansas was $75 for the annual license and it appears to have nearly doubled to around $130 or so if the total fee is $185. I'm pretty sure the turkey tags stayed the same price.
Interesting to see the totals of KS and MS in hunters very similar (493,665 and 418,042 respectively) but the dollars is much higher in KS ($19,519,927.00 and $5,519,969.00 respectively).
Just goes to show how vitally important NR hunter's dollars are and how silly it is to wish them away. Again we are all on the same side.
Here is the total numbers of licensed hunters in each state for 2015 and prior.
http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/HuntingLicCertHistory20042015.pdf
Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 10:25:10 PM
I bought a lifetime years ago. You have to pay to play don't like it stay out we won't miss you.
LOL..Anyone ever tell you your attitude towards non-resident hunters sucks?
You hunt or fish out-of-state?
I'll be thinking of you when I pull the trigger on every Kansas bird I harvest.
Kansas is right there with Missouri's NR fees now. However, the season is a LOT longer, and you can hunt all day, so Kansas is a WAY better deal.
Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 09:55:48 PM
It's not about that. We pay thousands of dollars to Kansas every year in taxes. For someone to pay $10 more than a resident for a tag was a slap in our face showing us we don't matter. Kansas sportsman are tired of being crapped on and told we don't matter. We are also going after guide use on public land right now. If we have a premium product then charge a premium price.
Does your taxes fund the conservation or does it come from license fees? I agree on the premium but Kansas turkeys are not premium. The deer hunting on the other hand is
Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 09:55:48 PM
It's not about that. We pay thousands of dollars to Kansas every year in taxes. For someone to pay $10 more than a resident for a tag was a slap in our face showing us we don't matter. Kansas sportsman are tired of being crapped on and told we don't matter. We are also going after guide use on public land right now. If we have a premium product then charge a premium price.
kansas turkeys are the same as anywhere else so you do not have a premium. Now if you was talking deer then yes you do have a premium deer hunting state. You were never crapped on. We paid higher license fees and a higher tag fee. Maybe you should look at Ohio tag fees. Same for NR as a resident. But they pay a lot higher license fee. On top of that our deer and turkey tag is the same $24. So an NR can kill 2 turkeys and 1 deer(and incase you didnt know we produce as big of deer as kansas) for $200. I dont feel like i am getting crapped on but i sure do wish we had a reciprocal policy that made a NR pay the same as we would have to pay to hunt their state.
I think KS has some premium turkey hunting for sure, and their WIHA program is excellent.
There are lot of guys in KS that are salty about OOSers - they don't like folks coming in and killing 'their' animals - they get especially feisty about 'their' ducks and 'their' deer.
Part of the problem is that a lot of rural KS guys have always hunted for free with just a hello and a handshake or a little bit of traded labor or some other small barter item, and it irks the heck out of them when their hunting grounds disappear because an outfitter or out of stater comes in and pays cash for a lease.
I understand completely - I grew up in the country and never had to pay to to hunt, just knocked on doors and offered some help around the farm. When I got to CO I was astonished at how poor the public waterfowl hunting is and 95% of the private that is worth a pinch of dirt is leased up. doesn't make me happy, but you learn to adapt and maybe have to make a cash outlay to lock up ground - unfortunately that is life.
In CO hunting is a massive industry due to big game. A ton of outfitting takes place on public ground - BLM and USFS and the State Land Trust are the biggest landowners here, so if you shut out guides you'd lose a lot of hunters and the associated revenue stream.
We regulate our outfitters here. They pay a licensing fee and are required to have insurance. That way when they take paid sports onto public ground to kill 'our' animals, there is some associated revenue to the State from the guy making the profit on 'our' animals.
I am astonished that allI would need to outfit in KS and NE is to call myself an outfitter...no protection for the consumer, no regulations re outfitter behavior, and no revenue.
If I hunt KS WIHA ground I wait until the residents have had their crack at it - they seem to get in early and kill the easy birds anyway, and you are less likely to get your tires slashed with out of state plates later in the season.
I have been traveling to Kansas to hunt for over 25yrs. and can honestly say the deer hunting is not what it used to be,for quality deer anyway,not saying there all gone,just not like it was 12-15 yrs ago.
The turkey hunting is like any other State,good or bad depending on the weather,hatches,disease etc.
At one time the guys I hunt with and myself had probably 25-30 thousand acre's to hunt throughout the state, all we had to do was make some phone calls and let the landowners know we coming out that way.
One farm was 28 sections (do the math) and we were always welcome,no money involved ever,but my times sure have changed.
Is the price increase going to stop us from making our annual trip,no but it might affect some of the younger guys with families that are on a little tighter budget than us,and to be honest it was probably time for a hike.
One thing for sure its not going to get any cheaper to hunt in the future regardless of the game your after.
Good Luck this spring to everyone traveling to hunt and guys hunting at home,be safe and enjoy.
Greg
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Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 09:55:48 PM
It's not about that. We pay thousands of dollars to Kansas every year in taxes. For someone to pay $10 more than a resident for a tag was a slap in our face showing us we don't matter. Kansas sportsman are tired of being crapped on and told we don't matter. We are also going after guide use on public land right now. If we have a premium product then charge a premium price.
Does your taxes fund the conservation or does it come from license fees? I agree on the premium but Kansas turkeys are not premium. The deer hunting on the other hand is
That was going to be my question. In Virginia, our Dept. of Game and Inland Fisheries is a self sustaining (run from license revenue). Not sure how Kansas works but I can't imagine it's much different. That's one of the driving reason we can still hunt, we pay for the conservation of game animals and habitat.
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I have never hunted Kansas but have opinions. I for one dont mind paying to play. I see to many times guys coming in to hunt DO NOT spend much money around like we all think and hope they do.
For example...... Deer hunting is big here. I'll admit I hate it. seeing parking lots full of OOS plates drives me crazy. BUT they bring money to the area. Most do anyway.
I go to NE Arkansas a few times a year to both duck and goose hunt. When I go there(or anywhere OOS hunting) I buy groceries, and shells,things I need there and dont buy what I can at home. It drives the guys I go with crazy to have to make stops.
When I go to MO and TN turkey hunting it's the same way. I buy what I need there to help out the local economy. I KNOW others dont like seeing Illinois plates parked around so I try to help out where I can.
I can remember when Mo was 45.00 for two birds, and then it went to 190.00 in about 5 years. But the cost never kept me from going and hunting.
Can someone clarify something for a newbie to turkey hunting in KS. Do you have to purchase the turkey permit and the turkey game tag at the same time or can you purchase the permit, and if lucky enough to kill a turkey then purchase the turkey game tag?
hmmmm, so kill first and then buy a tag?
Sorry man, just like any other hunting or fishing - gotta have all the necessary licenses/tags/permits before you hunt.
Quote from: RS on March 23, 2016, 08:18:27 AM
Can someone clarify something for a newbie to turkey hunting in KS. Do you have to purchase the turkey permit and the turkey game tag at the same time or can you purchase the permit, and if lucky enough to kill a turkey then purchase the turkey game tag?
I hope your joking ,,,
Treerooster is correct. The "first" license is called a Permit, good for one tom. You can buy a 2nd one called a Game Tag for your 2nd tom.
They can be purchased separately (you buy the Permit first) , then the Game Tag 2nd.
Or you can buy them together called a Combo.
Honcho
yup you can kill one then go buy 2nd bird tag just remember can't hunt same day buy license
Quote from: turkeyfoot on March 23, 2016, 09:02:03 AM
yup you can kill one then go buy 2nd bird tag just remember can't hunt same day buy license
This has changed in recent years and your permit/game tag is valid immediately after purchase.
Thanks for the info. fellas.
Why was the first tag called a "permit", and second one called a "game tag"?
You need a license too
Quote from: davisd9 on March 21, 2016, 08:30:46 PM
Got to pay to play
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Correct!
I always buy both tags in case a double presents itself...
Of course, the other toms might wait while you drive across Kansas in search of a license dealer or a computer with a printer...
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Doesn't bother me. If anything it will keep the number of out of staters down. And I'm one of them!
Quote from: turkey_slayer on March 21, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 09:13:05 PM
It was a slap in the face to residents at the old prices and we finally got that in the right person's ear. I wish it was higher.
Afraid some nonresident is going to kill all your birds? Sorry just never understood that mentality. We're all Americans in my eyes. I couldn't care less who comes here. Back to the op. Turkey tags are getting ridiculous but with the popularity of hunting them the states see $$$. My tags will run $625 and that's just for a couple of states. When it costs as much to kill a 20lb bird that's literally everywhere as it does to kill a 800lb bull that's not that's what chaps my butt
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Let me know where you can find a NR bull tag for $185.
Quote from: Treerooster on March 23, 2016, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: spaightlabs on March 23, 2016, 08:27:54 AM
hmmmm, so kill first and then buy a tag?
Sorry man, just like any other hunting or fishing - gotta have all the necessary licenses/tags/permits before you hunt.
I think you are a bit off in your thinking spaightlabs. Its a legit question.
KS calls the first tag a "Turkey Permit" and the 2nd tag a "Turkey Game Tag"
So yes you can purchase your turkey permit and then if you kill a turkey purchase a game tag. I have always got my tags online but I am pretty sure you can get KS tags at vendors around the state.
Yes........this is how it works. You can purchase at any local vendor. Walmart worked for me.
I'd rather spend the money on gas and food, hotels, liquor, etc.....
Naw it's not worth it ,everyone should just stay home this year.
There's no turkeys in Kansas anyway .
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Quote from: nativeks on March 21, 2016, 09:13:05 PM
It was a slap in the face to residents at the old prices and we finally got that in the right person's ear. I wish it was higher.
Afraid some nonresident is going to kill all your birds? Sorry just never understood that mentality. We're all Americans in my eyes. I couldn't care less who comes here. Back to the op. Turkey tags are getting ridiculous but with the popularity of hunting them the states see $$$. My tags will run $625 and that's just for a couple of states. When it costs as much to kill a 20lb bird that's literally everywhere as it does to kill a 800lb bull that's not that's what chaps my butt
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Let me know where you can find a NR bull tag for $185.
Come on Hobbes re-read it. I said all my tags combined would be $625. Colorado and Idaho prices. That's only hunting 3 states as of now on NATIONAL FOREST, you know, that land that everyone pays for. That's about 200 lbs of bird that is literally everywhere. Unless you have a osceola, oscellated, or goulds you have no premium. There are no states that have a higher percentage of "booner" birds
I knew what you were referring to, but you compared a 20lb turkey to an 800 lb elk. And we're talking a huge price difference by the "each"
We pay for more than just the bird. We pay for the experience to hunt in new places, and apparently that is a "premium" or we wouldn't keep shelling out the cash.
As far as federal land goes that was ruled on years ago. The animals we chase are the state's and they set the price to hunt their wild game.
625 to hunt multiple states and multiple birds is not out of the ordinary. Montana wants over $800 for a bull tag which gives absolutely no guarantee that you'll even see a bull let alone a booner.
Kansas birds are now a premium since the NWTF started sending out their "There's No Place Like Kansas for Turkey Hunting" promotional emails this week. :laugh:
I think that is one of the frustrations a lot of KS res hunters feel - every time they turn around the KDWP is telling everyone and their brother to come to KS - the resource is plentiful, the people friendly and the hunting easy...NWTF is in on it now, Pheasants Forever, DU, every outdoor network - all of them pimping KS hunting.
If you have a pimp, that means there is a 'ho' out there somewhere and no one wants to feel like a ho and get used up, beat down and tossed aside.
Places like Cheyenne Bottoms get rode hard and put up wet and what used to be a gem has lost a lot of it's polish.
Quote from: davisd9 on March 21, 2016, 08:30:46 PM
Got to pay to play
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No doubt!!
Quote from: spaightlabs on March 24, 2016, 11:01:23 AM
I think that is one of the frustrations a lot of KS res hunters feel - every time they turn around the KDWP is telling everyone and their brother to come to KS - the resource is plentiful, the people friendly and the hunting easy...NWTF is in on it now, Pheasants Forever, DU, every outdoor network - all of them pimping KS hunting.
If you have a pimp, that means there is a 'ho' out there somewhere and no one wants to feel like a ho and get used up, beat down and tossed aside.
Places like Cheyenne Bottoms get rode hard and put up wet and what used to be a gem has lost a lot of it's polish.
Exactly. All I have wanted is for tags and licenses to be the same as the state's around us. Until this year a NR could hunt upland, waterfowl, and a turkey for less than $140.
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Quote from: spaightlabs on March 24, 2016, 11:01:23 AM
I think that is one of the frustrations a lot of KS res hunters feel - every time they turn around the KDWP is telling everyone and their brother to come to KS - the resource is plentiful, the people friendly and the hunting easy...NWTF is in on it now, Pheasants Forever, DU, every outdoor network - all of them pimping KS hunting.
If you have a pimp, that means there is a 'ho' out there somewhere and no one wants to feel like a ho and get used up, beat down and tossed aside.
Places like Cheyenne Bottoms get rode hard and put up wet and what used to be a gem has lost a lot of it's polish.
Exactly. All I have wanted is for tags and licenses to be the same as the state's around us. Until this year a NR could hunt upland, waterfowl, and a turkey for less than $140.
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Most states around here have what's called a reciprocal license fee. If you live in MD and hunt DE, you pay what a DE resident would pay to hunt MD.
Problem is, its not exactly the same. PA does the same, but up there you get a deer tag and a spring and fall turkey tag as part of your base license. Most states have tags or stamps for those. In all, it washes out to be pretty close.
I heard a man explain it to another man one time. Hunting is a luxury not a necessity if you can't afford it then get out of it. I'm sure that makes some people mad to hear but it's true. So in reference to the non residents license increase if that 60 dollars is gonna make That big a difference to you. It sounds like you don't need to be going out of state anyway lol
Well that guy was wrong. HUNTING IS A RIGHT, any man that trys to tell you differently is probably an astritocrat or one of his petty slaves! ...
....This is not england or spain, you dont have to be from royalty to hunt in the USA. In fact it behooves the broke hunter be to an intelligent, diligent and passionate hunter.
I've got more steak in my freezer than any rich guy I know, and I did it with 45 dollars!!!!
100 and whatever dollars is absolutely ridiculous for a turkey tag! :z-guntootsmiley:
It may not be England but in the majority of states hunting is in fact a privilege and not a right same as driving.
If you don't like $100 a tag......don't hunt out of state.
This is a complex issue that goes beyond what each individual's perception of what a turkey is worth. But first, let's clarify a few points.
As Hobbes pointed out, non-migratory wildlife in each state is "owned" by the citizens of the state. That includes wildlife (with some exceptions) that is both on public and private lands. Hunting for that wildlife is not a "right". It is a privilege that is legally granted by the citizens of the states to the state's citizens, as well as to non-residents as the states allow.
As most state wildlife agencies are funded through hunting/fishing license sales, those agencies are naturally going to set fees at a level to insure the agency is adequately funded, while at the same time making sure the "resource" (turkey population) is managed properly. Those fees will be set to a degree on "supply and demand", but most agencies also take into consideration the concept that fees should be reasonable so that the "average citizen" can participate.
Each of us has our own perception of what is reasonable and what is not, as well as how much we are willing to spend to pursue our passion as turkey hunters. For me personally, when I contemplate the overall expense of traveling to another state to hunt, an extra $50-$100 bucks for the license is irrelevant. For the enjoyment I get from the experience, that license fee cost is a drop in the bucket.
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 25, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
This is a complex issue that goes beyond what each individual's perception of what a turkey is worth. But first, let's clarify a few points.
As Hobbes pointed out, non-migratory wildlife in each state is "owned" by the citizens of the state. That includes wildlife (with some exceptions) that is both on public and private lands. Hunting for that wildlife is not a "right". It is a privilege that is legally granted by the citizens of the states to the state's citizens, as well as to non-residents as the states allow.
As most state wildlife agencies are funded through hunting/fishing license sales, those agencies are naturally going to set fees at a level to insure the agency is adequately funded, while at the same time making sure the "resource" (turkey population) is managed properly. Those fees will be set to a degree on "supply and demand", but most agencies also take into consideration the concept that fees should be reasonable so that the "average citizen" can participate.
Each of us has our own perception of what is reasonable and what is not, as well as how much we are willing to spend to pursue our passion as turkey hunters. For me personally, when I contemplate the overall expense of traveling to another state to hunt, an extra $50-$100 bucks for the license is irrelevant. For the enjoyment I get from the experience, that license fee cost is a drop in the bucket.
Very well said.
So the white man comes to the America, over populates it, rapes it of resources, systematically kills off the vast majority of native peoples and steals their land..... and now I have you telling me the legalities of this system. Thanks.
I believe in conservation and ethical hunting, not making money off of out of state hunters. Im american, your american, were all american. You dont have to pay extra to drive thru nm of fl or any other state. The same should be with hunting different states. Unfortunately it's too late to simplify this issue thanks to overpopulation, bureaucracy and lack of respect for open space and public land...... 3000 for a sheep tag, 1000 for a elk tag, 450 for a deer tag, turkey 180......yep definitely set up for a working man on a budget..... if you like paying for hunts move to Texas and hunt high fence. Lol
Its time to make the general public pay and sponsor state game agencies. The highways and cities are more of detriment to our wildgame than is managed hunting....
Besides it was marketing hunting that destroyed our populations of wild game not sportsmen!
Okay,...so we all know what happened back in the sixteenth thru nineteenth century in America. We get it. ...And before man's predecessors migrated to North and South America across the Bering Strait, there supposedly were no humans here at all. So why don't we just all go back to Europe and Asia and leave the America's to their "original inhabitants"?
The point is that we cannot change history, and we certainly cannot go back a few centuries to right whatever injustices might have been done in the past. We work with the system we have in place now, "legalities" and all.
I fully agree that the common man is getting the "short end of the stick" in terms of some hunting opportunities. I live in New Mexico where that reality is probably the worst in the country with some species such as elk.
The discussion here, however, is whether paying a couple of hundred dollars as a non-resident to hunt turkeys is out of line. I don't think it is for the enjoyment I get out of it. But, then again, that is just one person's opinion.
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 25, 2016, 12:41:32 PM
Okay,...so we all know what happened back in the sixteenth thru nineteenth century in America. We get it. ...And before man's predecessors migrated to North and South America across the Bering Strait, there supposedly were no humans here at all. So why don't we just all go back to Europe and Asia and leave the America's to their "original inhabitants"?
The point is that we cannot change history, and we certainly cannot go back a few centuries to right whatever injustices might have been done in the past. We work with the system we have in place now, "legalities" and all.
I fully agree that the common man is getting the "short end of the stick" in terms of some hunting opportunities. I live in New Mexico where that reality is probably the worst in the with some species such as elk.
The discussion here, however, is whether paying a couple of hundred dollars as a non-resident to hunt turkeys is out of line. I don't think it is for the enjoyment I get out of it. But, then again, that is just one person's opinion.
Well put Sir. I could have not done a finer job articulating it.
MerriamMac, I believe you are trying to relate a few too many issues to the cost of a nonresident turkey tag. Some of them aren't even relevant. If there is more to the "white man" comment than just a general statement, that argument is better suited for somewhere other than a turkey hunting forum (in my opinion).
Making money and paying the bills are too vastly different things. The last I looked, most game agencies were barely getting by.
Id give just about everything to hunt Turkey's, that doesn't manke it right. .....I'm white btw, Swedish and italian to be exact and I was raised a military brat and served as well. Ive perpetually moved around this country since i was born. This whole out of state thing is ridiculous on so many levels, I could write a ten page paper on this but ill save y'all and me the headache.
Even though we may differ on this topic, I still love you all the same!
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