Guys .......be cautious of who you are dealing with in the classifieds, someone got burned out of $$$
don't deal with low post members....
don't deal with no picture people .....
Also ...I've been getting pm's about folks wanting to sell firearms (vintage mossy oak remingtons) don't fall for the bait
thanks for the heads up Shannon. hope the guy gets his money back and the other slimeball gets what he deserves.
Thanks!
Thanks! Shannon for the heads up, sure hope the guy gets is money back that sucks big time they deserve to be kicked off.
Hopefully they did not send Paypal as a gift!
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Quote from: davisd9 on March 07, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Hopefully they did not send Paypal as a gift!
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Never thought of that
Thanks for the reminder Shannon. I'm a firm believer what goes around comes around in some way, shape or form when it comes to being dishonest.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 07, 2016, 08:13:39 AM
thanks for the heads up Shannon. hope the guy gets his money back and the other slimeball gets what he deserves.
:agreed:
I made a tote for one and he never hasnt paid nor answered my messages in 12 days. I didnt send the tote but i did learn a lesson from it. As Shannon has said be very careful with low post counts.
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 07, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
I made a tote for one and he never hasnt paid nor answered my messages in 12 days. I didnt send the tote but i did learn a lesson from it. As Shannon has said be very careful with low post counts.
He has and this has got me thinking that I wish we had a thread/link on here where we could have buyer/seller reviews. I think it would help out a little but that's just a thought.
:gobble:a feedback function akin to the one on Archerytalk would be nice.
That's a shame, sorry to hear it. I hate a thief.
Bob
thanks for the heads up
Quote from: tomstopper on March 07, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 07, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
I made a tote for one and he never hasnt paid nor answered my messages in 12 days. I didnt send the tote but i did learn a lesson from it. As Shannon has said be very careful with low post counts.
He has and this has got me thinking that I wish we had a thread/link on here where we could have buyer/seller reviews. I think it would help out a little but that's just a thought.
He has what?
Good advice from Shannon. I think pictures are a must. I know some guys cannot post them but it is really pretty simple after you do it a couple times. There are lots of guys on here who will also help post your pics in the classifieds. You should also know who you are dealing with. I recently had a guy contact me asking If I wanted to buy a call from him. It was made by a callmaker I really like and he knew this. I replied that I was interested and would like to see a picture of the call. He told me he would find out what the call was worth and let me know the price. Next thing I know I get a PM from another guy telling me he had bought the call in question. The guy that bought the call had no idea that I was even interested in the call since it was not posted in the classifieds. I think when the almighty dollar gets involved with anything you need to be cautious.
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 07, 2016, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: tomstopper on March 07, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 07, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
I made a tote for one and he never hasnt paid nor answered my messages in 12 days. I didnt send the tote but i did learn a lesson from it. As Shannon has said be very careful with low post counts.
He has and this has got me thinking that I wish we had a thread/link on here where we could have buyer/seller reviews. I think it would help out a little but that's just a thought.
He has what?
Snapper1982 my apologizes for not being clearer. I meant that he has warned us in the past about low post counts. Glad you didn't fall for a scam and lose out on any money.
Quote from: tomstopper on March 07, 2016, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 07, 2016, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: tomstopper on March 07, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 07, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
I made a tote for one and he never hasnt paid nor answered my messages in 12 days. I didnt send the tote but i did learn a lesson from it. As Shannon has said be very careful with low post counts.
He has and this has got me thinking that I wish we had a thread/link on here where we could have buyer/seller reviews. I think it would help out a little but that's just a thought.
He has what?
Snapper1982 my apologizes for not being clearer. I meant that he has warned us in the past about low post counts. Glad you didn't fall for a scam and lose out on any money.
Oh ok sorry. I thought maybe you ment the guy has tried to contact me.
I'm a member on trapperman and it also has a feedback thread. One of the moderators gets contacted when someone gets burned. He then tries to deal with the situation and if not handled appropriately, their name goes on a bad feedback list. People are then aware of a possible bad encounter. It'd be nice to see that here but it can be time consuming. For the most part, people are fairly honest. I've been pretty lucky so far and haven't gotten burned but did have one encounter that came close.
Thoughts to remember:
-Never send PayPal as a gift unless you're absolutely certain they have and will send the product. The custom call makers here seem to be very honest people and I'd have no problems sending them money as a gift. Would not do that for an individual though. If sent for "goods", PayPal will be in your corner.
-MONEY ORDERS: you can track the progress of the money order if you send it with tracking. Keeping the receipt and information allows you to check and see if it's been cashed. If it hasn't, you can get a refund. If it has, and you've filled everything out properly, you can contact the Feds. It's a federal offense to offer goods, take money through the mail and not make good on the deal. That's how I got my stuff in the past with the bad dealing. Once made aware, he coughed up the equipment pretty quick.
Just ways to protect yourself.
Quote from: Gooserbat on March 07, 2016, 10:05:35 AM
:gobble:a feedback function akin to the one on Archerytalk would be nice.
I agree
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This reminds me of when I ordered a call from Mr Sneed. My wife could not believe that I was just going to send a check to someone I didn't know and just trust that they sent the call :z-dizzy:. I just said YEP that's how it works with people like that. It's a shame everyone can't have the same morals.
Quote from: born2hunt on March 07, 2016, 01:55:28 PM
This reminds me of when I ordered a call from Mr Sneed. My wife could not believe that I was just going to send a check to someone I didn't know and just trust that they sent the call :z-dizzy:. I just said YEP that's how it works with people like that. It's a shame everyone can't have the same morals.
:z-winnersmiley:
I can say I have done a lot of wheeling and dealing on here. I have not gotten burned knock on wood. most of the people I deal with , I have done so on several occasions. for the most parts , guys are pretty honest and I have met a circle of people that I consider friends. its like everywhere though , there is going to be a lowlife lurking . just the way things are now. it is very sad what things have become.
At the very least, exchange cell phone #'s so you can text pics.
The classifides are a fantastic feature of any hunting forum.....sucks that people abuse the priveledge.
Thanks for the heads up.
Quote from: wvmntnhick on March 07, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
-Never send PayPal as a gift unless you're absolutely certain they have and will send the product. The custom call makers here seem to be very honest people and I'd have no problems sending them money as a gift. Would not do that for an individual though. If sent for "goods", PayPal will be in your corner.
Never send PayPal as a gift. You are buying something not giving a gift. If the person selling is worried about the 3% then they should reflect the cost in their price, just as they do shipping cost. If something happens to your goods and you paid as a gift, may not be the seller's fault even, then Paypal will not do a thing for you as you sent a gift and did not purchase something in Paypal's eyes.
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There are always going to be crooks and I hate to see anyone ripped off.
I understand being cautious, but simply stating "Be wary of low post counts" isn't always fair to new members. I would hate to think that because I am new here and have a low post that I would be suspect.
I got a friend that just joined. Lurked around the site for a while and finally joined. He posted a couple chokes and I vouched for him. I know he is a stand up guy and I will not vouch for everyone I know. I feel I have a decent reputation here in which people will trust me.
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ALWAYS, ALWAYS...require a POSTAL Money Order from someone that you don't know or in question of. Anytime you deal with the postal system and someone fails to produce the object you paid for, it is a federal offense!!!
If you order a call from me and I request your phone number, or send you mine, and get no response back from you while you keep sending me pm's, then it's Postal MO for you!! If you just want to pm back and forth, that MO will be in my hands before your name goes on that call as well! I understand the convenience of pm's. But, I can ask you all the questions and you can ask me all the questions that need answering in just a short time. I've met many a good people through these phone calls. Many of them have become good friends.
Quote from: davisd9 on March 07, 2016, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on March 07, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
-Never send PayPal as a gift unless you're absolutely certain they have and will send the product. The custom call makers here seem to be very honest people and I'd have no problems sending them money as a gift. Would not do that for an individual though. If sent for "goods", PayPal will be in your corner.
Never send PayPal as a gift. You are buying something not giving a gift. If the person selling is worried about the 3% then they should reflect the cost in their price, just as they do shipping cost. If something happens to your goods and you paid as a gift, may not be the seller's fault even, then Paypal will not do a thing for you as you sent a gift and did not purchase something in Paypal's eyes.
Sent from the Strut Zone
I get it. And generally, I'd agree 100%. Only reason I said it was that after dealing with the particular person I dealt with, it wouldn't bother me in the least. Wouldn't do it for everyone but this fella, I would. As for the 3% charge, I agree again. It's simply that when someone is bending over backwards for me, sometimes I don't mind giving them a break. Again, I agree. It was simply something that I personally felt comfortable with as he had a squeaky clean record and offered full refund if I wasn't happy. Not fair for him to have to return the 3% that PayPal took from him because I got anal about something. Again, just my opinion.
Thanks for taking action, OG! It really stinks that some folks aren't trustworthy, especially those that take the time to come to sites like this. Then again, I'd venture a guess that 95% of treestands and trail cams that get stolen, are stolen by folks that call themselves "hunters".
Getting ripped off on Craigslist happens... but here? Sad. Public shaming may be in order... :policeman:
my advice is know who you are dealing with. i recently purchased several items and did paypal gift but the sellers are both callmakers who are on here all the time. i also just sold a call to a member who paid me via paypal gift, and I mailed the items today with tracking. Frankly, i never really thought about the paypal gifting and not being covered, thought is was more of the $2 processing fee. nonetheless, i am a low post member, but i am honest. guess not is the same for all low post members. i would caution all of you that the thieves among us are crafty, and i too hate a thief and a liar. But, all they have to do is go for a few weeks and reply to a lot of posts and get their number up, before selling an item. sad but true. my point is, don't base it just on post count, but don't ignore it either........
Well folks..you have me wondering now. I've dealt with a few of you on here as well as others on different sites. Up to now, I've never been burned. I always had the attitude that I treat everyone like I want to be treated. However, I did recently conduct business with a guy with a low post count and haven't yet received my money. I'm sure hoping it isn't the same guy.
I don't do Paypal. Might need to start. Even though it does violate everything I believe in.
Here is some more info
A very low post member selling a choke tube for a good amount , cashiers check arrived etc.... no choke tube after two weeks
In a few days I will be making a sticky post in the classifieds area , with the name.....email.....ip#.....phone number......adress....Facebook profile....of this individual, plus I have another from 4 years ago -this will serve as a warning to anyone even considering trying this on here
The contact info will stay puclic forever .....
There are other forums I'm on where they have what is called a itrader rating where you can leave feedback. Not sure if it's something worth looking into or not.
Quote from: Old Gobbler on March 07, 2016, 08:56:10 PM
Here is some more info
A very low post member selling a choke tube for a good amount , cashiers check arrived etc.... no choke tube after two weeks
In a few days I will be making a sticky post in the classifieds area , with the name.....email.....ip#.....phone number......adress....Facebook profile....of this individual, plus I have another from 4 years ago -this will serve as a warning to anyone even considering trying this on here
The contact info will stay puclic forever .....
Like a wall of shame....
I like it !!!!
It's amazing what some people will do for a dollar now. All to avoid working for it.
Quote from: wvmntnhick on March 07, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
I'm a member on trapperman and it also has a feedback thread. One of the moderators gets contacted when someone gets burned. He then tries to deal with the situation and if not handled appropriately, their name goes on a bad feedback list. People are then aware of a possible bad encounter. It'd be nice to see that here but it can be time consuming. For the most part, people are fairly honest. I've been pretty lucky so far and haven't gotten burned but did have one encounter that came close.
Thoughts to remember:
-Never send PayPal as a gift unless you're absolutely certain they have and will send the product. The custom call makers here seem to be very honest people and I'd have no problems sending them money as a gift. Would not do that for an individual though. If sent for "goods", PayPal will be in your corner.
-MONEY ORDERS: you can track the progress of the money order if you send it with tracking. Keeping the receipt and information allows you to check and see if it's been cashed. If it hasn't, you can get a refund. If it has, and you've filled everything out properly, you can contact the Feds. It's a federal offense to offer goods, take money through the mail and not make good on the deal. That's how I got my stuff in the past with the bad dealing. Once made aware, he coughed up the equipment pretty quick.
Just ways to protect yourself.
Money orders aren't a perfect solution. I know it protects the seller, but doesn't necessarily protect the buyer. I agreed to buy a call from a member here, multiple pms between us exchanging info. He wanted a money order which was sent and cashed. He sold the call to someone else, I presume for more money. When I contacted him he said he would send me a money order back. It took several more contacts by me before he finally sent the money back over one month after he had cashed the one from me. Although i could have pursued him legally that is not a great remedy. As Rickey pointed out, I also get contacted by people who want to sell me calls. Some I know, others I don't. I have adopted Shannon's advice and basically won't deal with people I don't know or for whom someone else can't vouch for. It's a shame, especially for up and coming makers, that there are dishonest people that make it hard for them
to do business.
I have bought calls from several people on here with no problem.
I use Paypal a lot because they get their money and can mail it
out quicker. I never thought of the paypal not backing if it's sent
as gift but I do now. Why not make a rule to sell only as GOODS?
I've noticed a lot of posts lately in the classifieds with no pictures. Some say they can't post pictures or they will post them later. Here's the thing, if you have the ability and technology to be reading and posting text to an Internet forum, you have the ability to post pictures. All it takes is a little effort on your part to learn how, there really isn't any excuse for not doing it. No pics, low posts = Fishy
And if you're going to sell something and say "I'll post pics tomorrow" then just wait till tomorrow to post your ad when you actually have time to post the pics. I say all this because, it is a rule that the majority of the good folks here follow, it is a rule for a reason, and it is simply good practice. This is the best hunting forum going IMO, let's keep it that way... Rant over. Shannon, thanks for taking out the trash, I hate that someone here got burned on a deal, a lot of good people on this site and it sucks when someone gets taken advantage of...
P.S. If there is anybody here that still thinks they can't post pics, shoot me a PM and I would be more than happy to post them for you, that goes for anyone! :toothy9:
If a transaction between two people get to the point that Shannon has to get involved than they need to be called out before anyone else gets burned. I guess I have either been lucky, only had 1 problem in many years and I hardly ever ask for payment prior to the customer getting the call. I like to thank all of the honest people on here. Thanks to Shannon for kicking out the trash.
I couldn't agree more Richard!! I feel like a guy that does this needs exposing, but I believe I remember a guy getting hammered for calling a guy out last year. I think we, as call buyers and makers, should know who these shady characters are.
Good job Shannon!!
I've been very lucky to not get burned ever and I buy and sell here and on AT. I've seen people on AT get burned selling bows for hundreds of dollars, even though they still have the itrader rating. It's not foolproof. I like the wall of shame idea or making all classifieds to be sold as goods only. What's a few bucks when you're already spending a decent amount?
When you go to someone's profile, there is a way to add a comment. I wrote one on a guy's profile stating the easiness of our transaction, but once submitted I could not find how to see it. Would be nice to have this function where guys could comment on a profile stating how a transaction went. I always look at a profile when starting a transaction and if I could see the comments I could get some feedback on the person. Just an idea of something that already looks like it is on the forum.
The gift option is for gifts. Was anyone unclear with how PayPal stays open when they signed up? Why circumvent the fee for a service? Kinda like steeling if ya ask me.
Quote from: Rick Howard on March 08, 2016, 08:13:45 AM
The gift option is for gifts. Was anyone unclear with how PayPal stays open when they signed up? Why circumvent the fee for a service? Kinda like steeling if ya ask me.
I agree with what you are saying but when sending a "gift" the sender pays the fee rather than the seller. Regardless, it is not a gift so I am not sending money as it is.
Quote from: Old Gobbler on March 07, 2016, 08:56:10 PM
Here is some more info
A very low post member selling a choke tube for a good amount , cashiers check arrived etc.... no choke tube after two weeks
In a few days I will be making a sticky post in the classifieds area , with the name.....email.....ip#.....phone number......adress....Facebook profile....of this individual, plus I have another from 4 years ago -this will serve as a warning to anyone even considering trying this on here
The contact info will stay puclic forever .....
Great idea!! :icon_thumright:
Bob
Quote from: davisd9 on March 08, 2016, 08:18:48 AM
Quote from: Rick Howard on March 08, 2016, 08:13:45 AM
The gift option is for gifts. Was anyone unclear with how PayPal stays open when they signed up? Why circumvent the fee for a service? Kinda like steeling if ya ask me.
I agree with what you are saying but when sending a "gift" the sender pays the fee rather than the seller. Regardless, it is not a gift so I am not sending money as it is.
Oh... I've never been charged for sending a gift. My mistake and I apologize for calling anyone's moral into question.
Quote from: Rick Howard on March 08, 2016, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on March 08, 2016, 08:18:48 AM
Quote from: Rick Howard on March 08, 2016, 08:13:45 AM
The gift option is for gifts. Was anyone unclear with how PayPal stays open when they signed up? Why circumvent the fee for a service? Kinda like steeling if ya ask me.
I agree with what you are saying but when sending a "gift" the sender pays the fee rather than the seller. Regardless, it is not a gift so I am not sending money as it is.
Oh... I've never been charged for sending a gift. My mistake and I apologize for calling anyone's moral into question.
I am wrong, I just looked at it. You are correct. My mistake, I thought that is how it worked.