Does a leopard ever lose its spots?
Donald Trump looks a lot like a liberal wolf in a sheep's combover.
1. The real Donald and his "New York values" before he decided to run for office:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc
2. How about the real Donald that stood before God, his wife, his family, her family, and a church full of people and took a vow to be faithful and married to Ivana until death only to break his vow, betray his wife and family, and forget all about the Commandments on coveting another's wife and committing adultery. He had a highly publicized affair with Marla Maples, his wife divorced him, he had a daughter named Tiffany with Marla and allowed her to be born into bastardy. He later married Marla and they split, reportedly because he was still the same old faithless whorehopper he always was. And you should know that he brags about seducing women in one or more of his books. The evidence is out there for anyone who cares to see, particularly those who believe good character is the underpinning for a good President. The links below are merely random samples, one can search his infidelity and daughter Tiffany being born out of wedlock and find many sources.
Does character matter to Trump supporters?
Pay careful attention to this quote from the Vanity Fair article from 1990: "Donald is a believer in the big-lie theory," his lawyer had told me. "If you say something again and again, people will believe you."
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2016/jan/19/trumps-bill-clintinfidelity-comments-revive-m/345370/
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20122177,00.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166605/Police-tapes-reveal-Donald-Trump-regretted-dumping-Ivana-Marla-Maples-didnt-want-pregnant.html
http://pagesix.com/2012/06/29/worst-lust-trump-ever-had/
http://ci.vanityfair.com/20151204/news/1994/03/donald-trump-family-bankruptcy
3. Was Trump lying about gun control, abortion, government run healthcare, and gay marriage years ago before he was running for President?
Or is he lying about it now that he is running for office and lying would advance his interests?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqytwepLuCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJfKdp3bDs
Was Donald Trump lying when he said that he identifies as a Democrat?
Or is he lying now when he says that he is a "Republican"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZqKLlLc0xo
Is Donald Trump to be believed in his position on crony capitalism now?
Or is what he did before running for office more representative of the truth?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/after-911-trump-took-money-marked-for-small-businesses/article/2001099
Keep in mind that Trump's attempt to use AC's power of eminent domain preceded the SCOTUS decision in Kelo v. City of New London by more than 10 years. It was one of the cases that alarmed private property rights advocates in the years before Kelo, and Kelo was a boiling point that led to a lot of legislative changes at the state level. And Trump's plan was not part of a "public use" in any shape, form or fashion, it was entirely for private use. He resorted to crony capitalism to take her property through the back door when he failed trying to purchase it through the front door.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-time-donald-trumps-empire-took-on-a-stubborn-widow--and-lost/2015/09/09/f9cb287e-5660-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html
Wow
I would ask where's your write-up on Hillary but not sure the server could handle it if you posted it.
No server pun was intended btw...
I had thought about voting for Trump until I watched his last debate. All he does is insult people like a 8th grade bully. He just says over and over that he'll make us great again. He's an idiot when it comes to politics.. Cruz may end up with mine.
1. Hillary is unqualified from the start. She is inherently dishonest, incompetent, liberal, and nothing more than a career opportunist.
2. Donald Trump is good friends with Hillary and Bill and invited them to his wedding. He had good things to say about the Clintons before he decided to pretend to be a Republican in this election cycle. Now, he cannot say or do enough to try to distance himself from the old sucubus.
3. I've not seen anyone on this forum state that they were supporting Hillary, so what would be the point of a moot, useless act like a write-up on Hillary?
4. Am I to infer from the non sequitur response and inability to address the points that you are one of the blindly faithful Trump supporters simply because he has diarrhea of the mouth, is rude, and is saying things in the present he thinks you want to hear?
This is a great visual aide for you Trump supporters that do not want to discuss Trump but blindly support him.
Doesn't Donnie look smashing in his wedding photo standing there next to Hillary?
http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/GTY_trump_wedding_clintons_jef_150806_16x9_992.jpg
:smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
This topic should go over well.
seriously? thanks for all your hard work on this write up. think I will still vote for Donald. it sure cant be worse than what we have now. no more establishment politicians.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 16, 2016, 04:29:31 PM
seriously? . think I will still vote for Donald. it sure cant be worse than what we have now. no more establishment politicians.
There ya go, he is still getting my vote, as many others I know feel the same way..
It can always be worse, especially when there is a possible Trojan horse.
Sent from the Strut Zone
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 16, 2016, 04:29:31 PM
seriously? thanks for all your hard work on this write up. think I will still vote for Donald. it sure cant be worse than what we have now. no more establishment politicians.
You are proving exactly what I said in the thread on the Repub primary: Trump supporters are just like Obama voters in 2008. The empirical evidence of what the candidate's character and political predilections are in plain sight for all to see, but you choose to ignore the reality and go with the themes and the lies instead.
Talking to Trump voters about positions and policies is the same as it was with Obama voters in 2008, too. The response was and is, "I don't care, we need change. This guy is different."
Hope and change! Hope and change all over again.
Quote from: Swather on February 16, 2016, 03:53:18 PM
1. Hillary is unqualified from the start. She is inherently dishonest, incompetent, liberal, and nothing more than a career opportunist.
2. Donald Trump is good friends with Hillary and Bill and invited them to his wedding. He had good things to say about the Clintons before he decided to pretend to be a Republican in this election cycle. Now, he cannot say or do enough to try to distance himself from the old sucubus.
3. I've not seen anyone on this forum state that they were supporting Hillary, so what would be the point of a moot, useless act like a write-up on Hillary?
4. Am I to infer from the non sequitur response and inability to address the points that you are one of the blindly faithful Trump supporters simply because he has diarrhea of the mouth, is rude, and is saying things in the present he thinks you want to hear?
This is a great visual aide for you Trump supporters that do not want to discuss Trump but blindly support him.
Doesn't Donnie look smashing in his wedding photo standing there next to Hillary?
http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/GTY_trump_wedding_clintons_jef_150806_16x9_992.jpg
I agree 100% with your assessment of Hillary. As for Trump, we share some of the same opinions of him as well. So, infer whatever you please (albeit inaccurate) but my post was primarily meant for humor.
I think the post is accurate, timely and well said.
I think your attacks on those the support Trump is arrogant and poor form.
You actually sound a lot like Trump in your non-factual posts. My way, or the highway.
Everyone needs to write in Allen West.
Quote from: Swather on February 16, 2016, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 16, 2016, 04:29:31 PM
seriously? thanks for all your hard work on this write up. think I will still vote for Donald. it sure cant be worse than what we have now. no more establishment politicians.
You are proving exactly what I said in the thread on the Repub primary: Trump supporters are just like Obama voters in 2008. The empirical evidence of what the candidate's character and political predilections are in plain sight for all to see, but you choose to ignore the reality and go with the themes and the lies instead.
Talking to Trump voters about positions and policies is the same as it was with Obama voters in 2008, too. The response was and is, "I don't care, we need change. This guy is different."
Hope and change! Hope and change all over again.
[/quote well Mr political advisor , vote for who you want and I will vote for who I want. Don't compare me to a Obama supporters, I work for a living. I will tell you I'm from down here in the south and I can take a good debate but when you lump me in with a bunch of low informed liberals that's a different matter. You come on here spewing your facts and you are entitled to your opinion , but you talk like a liberal. If someone don't agree then you think they are wrong. I like trump because he says what's on his mind and he has strength, something we haven't had in charge for 8 years. We need that and he also has business sense. You don't like him , fine by me. I could care less who you vote for. This is a turkey hunting forum , not a political one. It's ok to touch on different subjects here as we all would agree , but I do take offense lumping me in with Obama supporters. So go cast your vote for killery , beanie or job bush. Vote for Mackey mouse if you want too. Good day sir.
Did I tell you I really love turkey hunting??? :OGani: ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i cant wait to trump a big ole gobbler this spring!
they should be gobbling soon. its starting to green up down here a little and temps have been above normal the last couple of weeks. come on march 15th.
Quote from: g8rvet on February 16, 2016, 10:23:19 PM
I think the post is accurate, timely and well said.
I think your attacks on those the support Trump is arrogant and poor form.
You actually sound a lot like Trump in your non-factual posts. My way, or the highway.
I'll sue you if you don't retract that despicable lie comparing me to Trump! ;D ;)
I have lodged no attack, just made a factual statement that people do not like. The Trump supporters have circled back and alleged insult in this thread, but you have not seen one of them respond to the points made. It really is just, "We need a change, and this guy is different."
The factual situation has gotten worse for Trump too, with new reports of his use of visas to import cheap, foreign labor.
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/why-do-trump-and-rubio-still-favor-cheap-foreign-labor
You have 38 post on here. This is a turkey forum. Move on and let this thread die. You seem to have started this thread in order to support some unknown agenda. It's not a place to come and start political debates.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 17, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
You have 38 post on here. This is a turkey forum. Move on and let this thread die. You seem to have started this thread in order to support some unknown agenda. It's not a place to come and start political debates.
I know what the forum is, and I hunt turkeys. I also know that it is Shannon's forum, not yours, and that you don't make the rules or tell people what to do.
Shannon started the other thread on who people were voting for in the Republican primary. It is a political thread, and he, the owner and administrator, started it. This thread grew out of the thread that Shannon, the admin and owner, started on Shannon's forum.
The farce with you Trump supporters is strong, and I started this thread to ask some simple questions about support for Trump and how you can overlook so much to simply support a rude guy with diarrhea of the mouth and no articulated policies that has been a liberal all his life. I made it simple and even used standard Arabic numerals so people could respond point by point.
This is about the fourth time you've posted in this thread, and you still cannot answer any of the questions or respond to the obvious problems with Trump. This thread contains important questions because it is an important election, and we don't need destructive and impotent another clown in the White House. There is no agenda other than to ask some simple questions and see if Trump supporters can articulate cogent, substantive replies.
You obviously cannot articulate a cogent, substantive reply to the questions. If you do not have what it takes to discuss politics, why not skip the thread and quit complaining?
ok , i will play .I love turkey hunting. go trump. trump 2016. yeah , take em down trump. who should we vote for ? please tell us . we need to know. give us your insight of the proper candidate. maybe good ole jeb? I answered your question why im voting for him. that was not a good enough reason in your eyes , so you continue to try and convince others we should not vote for him . now answer mine. who are you supporting ? you are correct , this is shannons forum and he did start a poll , but no where on his poll did he put down anyone on who they selected. I am a combat veteran of 2 foreign conflicts and I need not be informed on my voting preference. my service , I feel , entitles me to vote for whom I wish. also it allows you to have your voiced opinions and right to choose who you vote for. the main reason I will vote trump is because he has a backbone and says whats on his mind. he is a business man who knows how to make deals. he doesn't like the immigration system and I agree. im sick of all the pc correctness. is he the greatest ever , no , but in my eyes he is the best choice we have. regardless whoever wins the nomination , he or she will have my vote. I would have never replied to this thread had you not insulted supporters of trump and lumped us into a group with Obama supporters. the so called leadership we have is disgraceful. you can bet trump may not be the end all to our problems , but without a doubt better than what we have. so , who do you support and why?
Quote from: Swather on February 17, 2016, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 17, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
You have 38 post on here. This is a turkey forum. Move on and let this thread die. You seem to have started this thread in order to support some unknown agenda. It's not a place to come and start political debates.
I know what the forum is, and I hunt turkeys. I also know that it is Shannon's forum, not yours, and that you don't make the rules or tell people what to do.
Shannon started the other thread on who people were voting for in the Republican primary. It is a political thread, and he, the owner and administrator, started it. This thread grew out of the thread that Shannon, the admin and owner, started on Shannon's forum.
The farce with you Trump supporters is strong, and I started this thread to ask some simple questions about support for Trump and how you can overlook so much to simply support a rude guy with diarrhea of the mouth and no articulated policies that has been a liberal all his life. I made it simple and even used standard Arabic numerals so people could respond point by point.
This is about the fourth time you've posted in this thread, and you still cannot answer any of the questions or respond to the obvious problems with Trump. This thread contains important questions because it is an important election, and we don't need destructive and impotent another clown in the White House. There is no agenda other than to ask some simple questions and see if Trump supporters can articulate cogent, substantive replies.
You obviously cannot articulate a cogent, substantive reply to the questions. If you do not have what it takes to discuss politics, why not skip the thread and quit complaining?
You are very correct, this is Shannon's forum but I have to agree with Spitten and Drumming on this: Let it Die....... Shannon did say that he was not trying to get into rep vs. dem etc but was just asking to see our opinions in the form of a poll. Continuing to call names and put people down who don't agree with you and make comments about how educated and how much money you make in an hour is not going to build you much support or friendships. Every spring we get people on here who like to stir the pot in some way or another. I say let's just get to Turkey hunting and just be nice to each other in the meantime.....
thank you tomstopper. I will not post on this garbage thread again. I shouldn't have egged it on anyway. good luck this spring.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 17, 2016, 02:59:35 PM
I am a combat veteran of 2 foreign conflicts and I need not be informed on my voting preference. my service , I feel , entitles me to vote for whom I wish.
If I were appointed dictator, that would allow you 5 votes! Thanks for your service.
Quote from: g8rvet on February 17, 2016, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on February 17, 2016, 02:59:35 PM
I am a combat veteran of 2 foreign conflicts and I need not be informed on my voting preference. my service , I feel , entitles me to vote for whom I wish.
If I were appointed dictator, that would allow you 5 votes! Thanks for your service.
Thanks you.
This another good one for the Trump supporters that like to hunt, and for those, like me that are hunters who see Trump as a facile and enthusiastic liar.
Remember when his sons went hunting in Africa and they posted pictures on social media and there was a controversy? This is what Trump said then:
As for Donald Trump, he tells TMZ, "My sons love hunting. They're hunters and they've become good at it. I am not a believer in hunting and I'm surprised they like it."
http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/12/donald-trump-sons-wildlife-elephant-kill-hunting/
I'm sure he is a big believer in hunting now.
I will only vote for him if he wins the Republican nod, but I do not trust the man. He tends to bend whichever way the wind is blowing.