Alright,
I think tomorrow morning I am going to pick up an 870 youth from my local wally world.
Start hitting me up with good information for it.
I am getting the sure shot stock kit. Going to paint the gun myself most likely although I am considering a hydro dip in a mossy oak bottom land pattern.
I have no clue where to start on chokes. Is there one that runs good in all of these short barreled 870's? I love the Indian Creeks, so if they do a good job with Federal heavies, and/or TSS then let me know, and what constriction.
Any weak points that need addressing?
What sight you wanting to use?
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Planning a drill/tap and either a red dot or a quality scope with low magnification
10/4.
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Sure do like a scope! I have a Bushnell Trophy XLT 1.75-4x 32mm
731432 (Black) , 731432AP (Camo)
Over 20 years and more than 125 birds down and never failed me, plus when in close and in the "Circle of Death" bird is done for. Have made many moving shots too. Critical with a tight choke and up close to be right on and batteries don't go dead on crosshairs.
MK M GOBL
http://bushnell.com/hunting/rifle-scopes/trophy-xlt/1-75-4x-32mm-matte-black-circle-x-reticle
I like that. What kind of rings did you use?
Warne Rings, they are super solid.
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/122418/warne-1-maxima-permanent-attachable-weaver-style-rings?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Optics%20-%20Scope%20Rings%2C%20Bases%2C%20Mounting%20%26%20Accessories-_-Warne-_-122418&gclid=CMGLgZaCzsoCFQ6RaQod-gsBHw#
Low, Matte finish
MK M GOBL
The Feds require a non ported choke tube. I'd start with the Remington Super Full.
I'm a fan of rattle can paint jobs!
Quote from: dirt road ninja on January 28, 2016, 09:58:50 PM
I'm a fan of rattle can paint jobs!
I recently seen someone that did a really nice job with a digi sponge camo. Looked great. But I also do love that bottomland camo! Hard choices.
I bought one 3 years ago after reading all the post about the 20's...had to have one.
Got black/synthetic model because it was all I could find. I wanted wood.
First, you will have to paint or dip it because the matte bluing stinks and it will rust. I had my whole gun and a FF2 guard dipped in obsession at Camo Solutions, did a great job.
I had the gun D&T'd for the 336/FF2 base by my local gunsmith, I did a trigger job and barrel polish to it myself.
Started off with the Fed. 3"-7's thru a Trulock choke (.560), the patterns were high in numbers and really tight...too tight.
Switched to the Carlsons .575 non-ported and haven't looked back. Very consistent patterns, good pellet count in 10", gives me a good blend of both wiggle room/fudge factor. Very pleased.
The gun did not like the SSX choke at all and likes to be shot on a fairly clean barrel.
I originally bought the gun to trick it out and shoot TSS, but after doing all the tricks there was no need for the 18g/cc stuff, the HW 7's will do everything I need them to do. I've shot several toms with it since I got it, at ranges from 12 yds in NC to a bird in KY last year that amazed me when I walked it off to go pick him up......
Get you this mount off amazon : B square remington 870 20 ga. express LT shotgun saddle style mount, matte black finish it comes with scope mounts and you can still see your iron sights. That's why i didn't have it drilled i wanted to be able to see my iron sight's also. I mounted a simmons pro diamond scope on this and it's sweet shooting... look at a Trulock tube for it go to the website.. if you don't like the choke they will in the first 60 day's exchange or refund your money.
Also trying to drill and tap rails and mounts on the youth 20 is a little hard to do because it's not that thick on the top..especially on the express..
Great choice.Go with Fed Hwt #7s, sumtoy 562-5,trulock HW7,Carlson .575, rsf 572, Jebs 560. All those chokes should get u where you want pattern wise, 130-170 in the 10" @ 40.I have mine d&t'd with a red dot.hundreds of thousands of 870 expresses have been d&t'd,IMO that's the only way to mount optics on a turkey gun(I personally hate saddle mounts). I'd also recommend the Bushnell trs25 and vortex SPARC 2 red dots.Great sights for the money. Last but not least, patriot sear spring to lighten trigger pull($10).
Let us know how she shoots and good luck with it this season.$250 is a a steal for that gun... Is wally world having a sale or is it on clearance?
If you have not bought a scope then look at the Simmons Pro-Diamond.
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It was $248.99 today it was $287.99 so I left it on the shelf. I had a random unexpected expense pop up so I had to back off or else I probably still would have gotten it.
I'll still get it, just need to wait a couple more weeks. Thanks for all the info thus far, in the mean time I'm looking into TSS and studying up on it.
Jordan...i wouldn't drill and tap because you limit yourself to just whatever you have mounted on the rail. Old saddle mounts years ago weren't built that good..i have 2 guns with saddle mounts a 12 ga. with a nikon turkey pro scope and i will put this gun up again any gun on this site...I also have a 20 ga. with the B Square and i will put it up again any gun on this site,,With these good saddle mounts you can use your iron sights at anytime...i bet you can't do that with drill and tap..
I understand what you are saying, but what I find is out to about 30-40 yards my iron sights are rarely on target and I have to remember my kentucky windage. I am a big fan of red dots. I understand iron sights don't run out of battery or have flaws and what not. But it my 10 years (not much compared to most here) I have not had a failure of an electronic device. Not to mention..... Some red dots dont use batteries :)
This pretty little thing here runs off light/tritium. Costs more than my shotgun, but you know.... :toothy9:
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Like i said if you want to drill them go ahead and pay the 100 dollars or more to have it done...Buts that's crazy...you can't shot the difference from one that has a saddle or one that is drilled..
Greg,
Listen man. I'm feeling pretty good right now..... Bacardi is my friend. But I just want to say your experience and input is appreciated and respected. I'm kind of nervous to try a b square mount because I have read of the pins that for in the frame having issues. That's the only reason I avoid it. Have you ever had that issue?
I originally looked into this mount for a SX3 last year and that was the info I kept finding. Maybe it was isolated to that particular model.
No..the mount is solid and you want have a problem with it or the pins...the mount is a great saddle mount..In the 20 ga. your shooting a gun with less recoil...it's nothing like a 12 ga.. But i do have also a 12 ga. with saddle mount and have hunted 4 years with it and had no problem and i have kill turkey with both using iron sights and the scopes i have on them also..i wouldn't have it any other way...
I also have two of those pretty little guns...AR 10 and AR 15 are nice to have...that's a nice one you have..and you are right you will have more in those guns than most any shotgun...
They are fun toys. It's a 9mm CZ Scorpion SBR.
Absolute blast to shoot.
I picked one up yesterday. Thinking sure shot stock and sumtoy. I already have a set of mag gobble dots for a remmy.
No problems to drill and tap the 870 20 ga. I have 2 both with FFII's and both are mounted directly to receiver with 336 mount. It can be done.
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Greg, I have 2 d&t'd 20 GA's with red dots. You can look underneath both red dots and use the bead.Its not ideal,sight window is small but would work in a pinch.Also there is such a thing as see through scope mounts,which I hate as much as a saddle mount,and quick disconnect bases and rings .What are we betting on here?Ill agree with you on one thing, $100+ is crazy to have a gun d&t'd,I paid $70 including the rail on one and $45 on the other. If your so confident in your guns you should enter the next nwtf still target competition and see if you can back that statement up. Theres more then a couple gun's on "here" to go up against at the shoot.
Hey Jordan what kind of red dots are you using that you can see underneath and see the sights. i have a red dot Bushnell TRS mounted on a Mossberg 500 that was a special turkey gun with ported barrel and tractial stock. They were only so many made just special for the NWTF Banquets. I have a weaver rail mounted on because it came drill and tap from the factory. With the Bushnell red dot mounted no way i can see the sight's so i'm interested in what kind of red dot you have and how it's mounted..
Trs'25 on my single shot Baikal and el cheapo truglo dual color 30mm on the 870. The rails on my guns are weavers. they are the rails that don't have the full length slots going across like a picatinny rail does.so I guess it's that type of rail that allow me to do see under the red dots. like I said not ideal but would work if needed
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Just a typically different view on the chokes for kids. Kids are excitable n we often get one chance with em. I never use turkey chokes with little/very young kids. You prob aren't going to let them take less than a safe shot n a slightly more rounded pattern that has some safe room is what I normally do w kids
Quote from: Bowguy on February 03, 2016, 03:11:18 PM
Just a typically different view on the chokes for kids. Kids are excitable n we often get one chance with em. I never use turkey chokes with little/very young kids. You prob aren't going to let them take less than a safe shot n a slightly more rounded pattern that has some safe room is what I normally do w kids
Excellent advice. It would be a good idea then to have 2 choke/load setups. One with a good pattern from 15-30 for the kids and another with a tighter pattern out to 40.
Well I got the first steps out of the way. Bought the IC .555 choke out of the for sale forum.
Then decided to bite the bullet and pick up this little thing. She is tiny compared to my Stoeger. Kind of exciting. I hope I can find a great load combo. Might even make some in TSS.
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Nice gun, glad you got it..i know your excite...i really enjoyed putting mine together...
Yep. I went home and ordered the sureshot stock for the 870 20 gauge off Midwayusa's website.
Ill get it in and take it to the local smith for a drill/tap.
Then to try and find someone to hydro dip it. After that probably going to polish out the barrel and find either a lower power scope or a red dot of some form. Then hydro it to match.
I am thinking of doing some kind of bottom land camo dip for this one but not sure, might try and get the Obsession. I wear obsession in the woods, so probably best to stick with it. Either way it needs to be coated, the finish is not all that impressive. Gun looks great now, but it looks porous and susceptible to rust.
Quote from: 357MAGNOLE on February 04, 2016, 11:55:49 PM
Yep. I went home and ordered the sureshot stock for the 870 20 gauge off Midwayusa's website.
Ill get it in and take it to the local smith for a drill/tap.
Then to try and find someone to hydro dip it. After that probably going to polish out the barrel and find either a lower power scope or a red dot of some form. Then hydro it to match.
I am thinking of doing some kind of bottom land camo dip for this one but not sure, might try and get the Obsession. I wear obsession in the woods, so probably best to stick with it. Either way it needs to be coated, the finish is not all that impressive. Gun looks great now, but it looks porous and susceptible to rust.
What is the green up like in your area of Virginia at the beginning of the season? I know sometimes here that obsession sticks out in the early part of the season cause it is actually greener than the foliage.
Well we have a lot of holleys here and they stay green. 80% of the area has Holley shrubs and white oaks. By the halfway point of turkey season everything seems to be green again and in full bloom. I also have some other types of little shrubs that only grow about waist high that are green before the season starts. Whatever space the holleys and white oaks don't take up these fill in pretty well.
I mounted a low power simmons pro diamond 1.5 - 5 x 32 on my gun..i really like that scope for the money..you will like the sureshot stock...just make sure it's for the 20 ga, the stock..
Gregg,
I double checked at checkout! I am typing this as I am waiting on the wife to finish getting ready, taking the 870 to a smith for the drill and tap. It will take a week or two to get it back but let's me figure out the route I want to go on camo for the finish.
Thinking about replicating what I did on this old Charles Dailey I got 12 years ago. (http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz171/357MAGNOLE/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-12/8D7BB6F0-8396-45FC-8AAA-5FA91514FFB0_zpspcaorvuu.jpg) (http://s825.photobucket.com/user/357MAGNOLE/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-12/8D7BB6F0-8396-45FC-8AAA-5FA91514FFB0_zpspcaorvuu.jpg.html)
Something else i did was order a box of 25 federal premium pheasant loads in a 3 in. 1 1/4 oz. number 5 these are buffered to sight the gun and scope ..lot cheaper than the box of 5 or 10 for 20 - 30 dollars..i just started out with a cheap box of target loads to get it on paper.. The pheasant loads will give you more range as you increase the target distance ...
I bought this one for my son awhile back. He is still too young to carry it, so I converted for myself. Went with Shurshot, TruGlo Pro Gobble Dot, Remington Super Full, HW #7s. I hope to get it on paper soon and see what it will do.
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357 Magnole and SCTrky10 something else you might need is the cap sling swivels ...what i got was the Uncle Mikes Quick Detachable Remington 870/870 youth 20 ga. external ratchet cap set sling swivels ( blued 1-inch loop. You can get these off amazon... 357 Magnole if your taking your to a gun smith for drill and tap you may want to get your cap drill and fixed for a sling swivel attachment ..
Great idea! I did not even think about that. Ill have to call him and have him add that in.
Probably going to order my scope setup this week. Looking at the Leopoldo VX-1 turkey plex. Decided size, weight and quality of glass are important factors so I think this is the best scope for my setup. It also has the "turkey plex" reticle.
Nice scope .. not a lot of eye relief but i think on the 20 ga. it will be fine...With that scope you may be able to use low rings..
I was planning on it. Then again with the sure shot stock I was wondering if the low rings would cause it to be too low.... Any ideas?
I was just looking at mine and as you know i have a see thru saddle mount with scope and i was looking under the saddle to see the sights and you are looking down a little more on the stock with your cheek. So i would think with the scope bases and low mounts you will be fine...With my see thru mount and saddle your up on you cheek more with the stock...
I'm shooting a Trulock choke it's a non ported 565 choke. I did a lot of looking at chokes and wanted one that would be a all around choke.. It shoots good numbers with number 5 shot as well as number 7 heavy shot..Sometime i shoot a federal 20 ga. 3 in. 1 5/16 oz. 6 shot if i'm going to be hunting a area with shots under 30 yards, i just back that first shell up with the number 7 P. heavy and i save that 5 dollar shell. Check those shells out at Buds Guns on line is were i get these with the best shipping price..
Got my stock in today and started to work on the camo pattern. Here is what I came up with so far over the last few hours. Blends decently when you step back just a few feet. I imagine in the woods it will disappear.
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up close shot... obviously not blending is well but if anything gets that close its game over.
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Here it is at 15 yards out. Blends decently with the naked bradford pear trunk. I imagine with some brush around you wont be able to see it until ontop of it.
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Looking good like the camo pattern. Can't wait to see it all finished ...nothing like building one the way you want...
Got a few chokes coming in the mail and working on getting another. Gonna have myself a playoff for pattern/numbers. I'll keep the winner and sell the others. I am going to try out the
Carlsons .575
Truglo SSX
Remington SF
Sumtoy 562
I would really like to see in the 175 range and consistent patterns. If I can't get that I'll settle for 150 range.
Mostly done at this point! I still need the scope rings to show up and choke tubes. After that ill wait on some warmer weather and get to sighting in the scope and patterning. It does have a little gloss to the paint, I am going to look into hitting it with a light wet sand after it cures a little longer. It does not look as glossy in person, but still a little too glossy for my taste.
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Nice, 357Magnole custom 20 ga. with paint job...
Got a little more of the shine off with some 0000 Steel wool this morning.... I think it turned out pretty damn good. This picture was from about 6 feet back.
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Pretty much done. Got 3 chokes and ordering a 4th for pattern testing. Can't wait to see the results.
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Did you use the low rings with the scope? How did they work out with the stock..?
Low rings where perfect. I had to scoot the scope back a little for best eye relief while on 4X. Scope was designed to work on 4X so leaving it there. I used Leupolds PRW low rings. Heavy heavy duty rings, took some time to install.
Great I was hoping they would work out ... the gun is looking good...
Quote from: 357MAGNOLE on February 16, 2016, 06:14:48 PM
Pretty much done. Got 3 chokes and ordering a 4th for pattern testing. Can't wait to see the results.
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Great Job! :icon_thumright:
Great job I really like the looks of that.
Gun looks great! Now go bust some heads!
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What was your method for painting it?? It looks great and I want to do something similar just have no idea how going about it?
Hey, Thanks.
So first things first and I believe the most important step. Prep work. I took some brakleen (Green can) and sprayed all the parts down. The gun was disassembled for the entire process by the way. I then went over it with some brushes and lint free cloth to continue cleaning off any residue. After that step I rinsed everything down with Isopropyl and let it air dry.
Then I used a base layer or primer from rustoleum.
Then a layer of khaki or sand... Whatever color it was. (also rustoleum as was all other paints)
Then I used sea sponges cut into little rectangles to sponge on my paint. I used the brown camo, forrest green, and black.
If you look a few pages back there is a video linked to how someone did theirs, someone off this forum. I used his method but went heavier with the green and black.
After that was done and I got the desired look I hit it with a few coats of flat clear coat. Finished off with a little 0000 steel wool rub down to get rid of some shine.
If you need any more info feel free to PM me.