Got a new Mossy 835 turkey gun and it is my first gun that will shoot 3.5" shells and I am wondering what if any advantage there is to shooting 3.5" loads?
Here is my setup Mossberg 835 with Indiana Creek choke and the loads I am thinking about are Hevi-shot 3.5" in #5's or #6's and I have not ruled out the Mag. Blends.
Thanks
The advantage is in a more dense pattern if it doesn't blow up. 835s have open forcing cones and a ten ga barrel. Pattern the gun n see. Many guns like 3" better but the 835s I've seen do 3-1/2" shells justice
You need to try the gun with both 3 & 3 1/2" shells to see for certain. Sometimes they will blow the pattern with the longer shells. I have 2 of them and both do well with either shell. I would also recommend at least trying some 7's if they are legal in your state. Also, I've seen a choke or 2 that didn't do well with one size or another; making patterning essential.
About the 7's: I used them last year and was fortunate enough to shoot 2 birds, both at aroud 37 or 38 yards. Both dropped right there with no flopping on one and the other might have beeen the same way but I jumped up and grabbed him to be sure. He started flopping when I grabbed him. First one of the year and I was taking no chances!
You have a good setup with that gun and choke. I prefer the Hevi 6s in 3.5".
bigcountry25, I have the same gun along with a 935 and I've done a fair amount testing with various choke and loads chasing numbers. There is an advantage in the 3.5 of more pellets per load. Yes, some chokes will blowout 2.25 oz loads, but I don't think you will see that with the IC. That happens to be my most consistent with every load I've tried in both my Mossys. I would throw away the idea of testing 5's in HTL as they lack pellet count for truly impressive patterns and they are overkill, no need for shot that size with HTL. 6's, 7's or the Magblends is where I'd start. I also have a hard time believing that more bb's are bad. What I do/did was research loads, pick one I liked then made my gun shoot it though changing chokes.
25, I have the 835 as well and have only shot 3.5's out of it. I like the dense patterns the 835 throws with the 3.5's. With the .675 Indian Creek you have a GREAT turkey killer with Hevi 6's or 7's. I shoot the 7's and have been well satisfied. I killed a South Dakota Merriam two seasons ago at 38 lasered yards and the bird never moved after the shot. Do we need the 3.5's, no. If the recoil isn't manageable then drop down to the 3's with the 6's or 7's. Personally, I don't even notice the recoil when a bird is in my sights though. Pattern a couple of each and decide what you prefer. Good Luck.
The Mossberg 835 was designed originally as a waterfowl gun and Mossberg engineers collaborated with engineers from Federal who designed a 3.5" shell to fit it. That all came about due to the Federal mandate to eliminate lead shot for waterfowl. At that time, steel shot was terrible and the thought was, "Okay it's bad but let's just throw a bunch of it out there to compensate for how really bad it is." The larger payload of the 3.5" shell allowed more shot to be thrown out there and it helped to some extent.
Thankfully, shotshell makers soon learned to make better steel shot loads, Hevi-Shot came along and the need for those very large payloads was not as urgent as it had been.
Mossberg knew a good thing when it had one, as did Federal, so they again got together and developed some 3.5" turkey loads to go into some camo patterned 835 turkey guns and the rest is history.
The 835 is one of the few guns actually designed (other than having a longer chamber) for 3.5" shells. Today however, there are many 3" shells that throw such great patterns that the need for a 3.5" gun, certainly and 3.5" turkey gun, has lessened. They both shoot just as far, the differences are number of pellets and recoil.
Many shooters discount the recoil factor and just plain like to shoot 3.5" shells in their guns. They get good patterns from them in their guns and see not reason whatsoever to change. If it works, don't fix it, and I completely understand that.
I recommend that you try 3" shells first and see how your patterns look. If they are good, I'd recommend that you stay with the 3" shells. My reasons are pretty simple. The 3" shell kicks less which can allow you to stay on target if you want or need a second or third shot. The 3" shell is less likely to cause you to develop a flinch when patterning or hunting. It's easy to develop a flinch and pretty tough to get rid of one. The shells cost a little less.
Whatever you do, I really recommend that you "deep clean" the bore of that 835. That gun is the reason I developed the process and it's helped many dedicated 835 shooters to optimize their patterns. Here's a link to that process http://allaboutshooting.com/article_info.php?articles_id=282
Again, congratulations. You have a fine turkey gun that should give you many years of excellent service.
Thanks,
Clark
Clark I dont know who you are but you always have good information. I've been at it for a long time n I still pick up things from you. Thanks buddy
Quote from: Bowguy on January 21, 2016, 01:46:29 PM
Clark I dont know who you are but you always have good information. I've been at it for a long time n I still pick up things from you. Thanks buddy
You're welcome.
I'm just an "old guy" who's also been around for a long time.
I appreciate the kind words.
Thanks,
Clark
Quote from: Bowguy on January 21, 2016, 01:46:29 PM
Clark I dont know who you are but you always have good information. I've been at it for a long time n I still pick up things from you. Thanks buddy
I agree with this statement. I would reply to the OP, but Clark pretty much nailed it all.
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I like the 3" shell in 3-2-7 Hevi-13. Less recoil, and good bird killing patterns.
Alot of people I know bash on mossberg because it is a so called ( cheap gun). I hate to inform them that just because it don't cost 1,400 dollars don't mean it won't kill. My 935 out patterns most of their benelli's too. Mossberg is where it's at in my opinion.
Quote from: turkeywhisperer935 on January 22, 2016, 07:18:35 PM
Alot of people I know bash on mossberg because it is a so called ( cheap gun). I hate to inform them that just because it don't cost 1,400 dollars don't mean it won't kill. My 935 out patterns most of their benelli's too. Mossberg is where it's at in my opinion.
I haven't heard anyone bash the 835 or 935s. Mossberg is a more inexpensive company n that's a good thing. Exceptional patterns in a gun we can all afford. The patterns are very often if not always superior to other guns. I've carried a 835 exclusively since the early 90s.
Don't worry if someone else doesn't like em, that's why gun shops sell more than one
Quote from: turkeywhisperer935 on January 22, 2016, 07:18:35 PM
Alot of people I know bash on mossberg because it is a so called ( cheap gun). I hate to inform them that just because it don't cost 1,400 dollars don't mean it won't kill. My 935 out patterns most of their benelli's too. Mossberg is where it's at in my opinion.
I agree. My 835 had NEVER missed a turkey nor has ever malfunctioned. Although those more expensive guns are nice I do personally know some people that will buy them just to say they have them. Id rather have my trusty 835 any day.
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Quote from: allaboutshooting on January 21, 2016, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on January 21, 2016, 01:46:29 PM
Clark I dont know who you are but you always have good information. I've been at it for a long time n I still pick up things from you. Thanks buddy
You're welcome.
I'm just an "old guy" who's also been around for a long time.
I appreciate the kind words.
Thanks,
Clark
He's being modest!! :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
I have owned several and shot a lot of different loads in them all and hands down the 3.5" out performed the 3".
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That for all the input!!
I have shot hevi-shot #6's 3" through it and the pattern was very good but I have ordered some hevi-shot 3.5" mag. blend and 3.5" #6's to give a try. They should be in this week, I hope!! I'll let you know how it goes!
Good luck! :icon_thumright:
The 835 with 3.5" shells does offer the opportunity to enjoy a relaxing break from work as you recovery from surgery to repair your detached retina. :angel9:
I had the same setup and mine loved the Hevi-13's 3.5" in #7's
Shoot both 3" and 3.5" to see which patterns better,the only advantage a 3.5" shell gives you is more pellets per load.
Quote from: BandedSpur on February 03, 2016, 08:24:14 AM
The 835 with 3.5" shells does offer the opportunity to enjoy a relaxing break from work as you recovery from surgery to repair your detached retina. :angel9:
Amen to that!!!!! they do kick like a mule for sure!!!!!
I've been known to use mine feom time to time. Usually when I've got a toothache or something. It gets my mind off it for a while.
The 835 is a great gun. It's got me seriously looking into a 935 as well though.
I shot the old hevi 13 white 6's when I first got mine, they shot well. I now shoot 3.5" shells out of mine, Hevi 13 6's and 7's shot great and Win HV 5's do also. I figured since I have 3.5" chambered gun I am use it to it's fullest. Gonna give the Hevi Shot triple beard a try as well, mostly out of curiosity and the fact that they are cheap.
I have the 835 Tactical Turkey.......it's a turkey killing SOB! Mine shoots the Federal HW #7 in 3 1/2 best, but the Hevi shot #7 will definitely work. I can't remember the manufacturer, but it's a .680 choke.