So.... Just saw on the news that they are entertaining the idea of removing the flag from the battlegrounds. What would've happened if the shooter were holding an American flag?
Nothing,They would be trying to ban the guns.
This is an issue that's getting out of hand. There is a bill before the TN State Senate to change the name of Nathan Bedford State Park. There is also another round of public outcry to have his statue taken down from a park in Memphis. Obviously slavery is the greatest injustice in our history. Most of these people have don't realize the majority of Cobfederate soldiers didn't own slaves. They were mostly fighting because they felt they were being invaded by a government that had totally forgotten the concept of states' rights, which was extremely important to most of the Founding Fathers. A concept which seems to have been forgotten by the Supreme Court also! Happy 4th of July! As bad as it seems, we still are blessed to live in the greatest nation on Earth.
Quote from: 29810434 on July 04, 2015, 09:16:17 AM
Nothing,They would be trying to ban the guns.
They ARE trying to ban the guns.
It will happen in the next few years.
how many " it's not the end of the world" will we see then
The confederate flag and the American flag are the same in what they represented. They were/are symbols of a fight against what was seen as tyranny and a government that was invasive and no longer represented them the way they wanted it to. The confederate flag did not and does not mean slavery is good or that someone who flies one hates another race of people. There are some who do fly it and do hate others but there are also those same types that fly a USA flag and hate others. The flag it self doesn't represent hatred. People seem to forget the American flag flew for 80 years with slavery in place. On top of that let's not forget who (blacks) sold blacks into slavery. But I guess that was just their form of black on black crime back then and it is completely ok andeveryone should just ignore it and act like it did not happen.
This has went to far with the flag and it is bullshat that this crap is being forced just because some people do not like the confederate flag.
I don't like baggy pant's that droop down past ones arse that requires crotch grabbing to hold them up. It's a thug symbol and I find it offensive. And if it's not to much to ask can we throw in flat billed sideways ball caps and any public display of the FUBU brand. Don't close them down just pass a bill where "FUBU" can't be displayed publicly. I find all of this racially offensive and don't want to have to see it in public. Can we please ban these symbols along with the Confederate Flag all in one pen stroke.
Quote from: snapper1982 on July 04, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
The confederate flag and the American flag are the same in what they represented. They were/are symbols of a fight against what was seen as tyranny and a government that was invasive and no longer represented them the way they wanted it to. The confederate flag did not and does not mean slavery is good or that someone who flies one hates another race of people. There are some who do fly it and do hate others but there are also those same types that fly a USA flag and hate others. The flag it self doesn't represent hatred. People seem to forget the American flag flew for 80 years with slavery in place. On top of that let's not forget who (blacks) sold blacks into slavery. But I guess that was just their form of black on black crime back then and it is completely ok andeveryone should just ignore it and act like it did not happen.
This has went to far with the flag and it is bullshat that this crap is being forced just because some people do not like the confederate flag.
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Most people who are "offended" or have issues that they feel need to be aired and addressed, seem to forget that other people have rights and preferences also. This political correctness is getting so far out of hand that, if it weren't for loss of liberties, would be laughable...Seems as though conservatives more or less just want to be left alone. Liberals seem to want to change the way you think and the things you do because, well, it makes them more "comfortable..."
Makes you kind of long for the days when people said what they thought and if you didn't like it you just had to get over it...
I'm the antithesis of a politically correct person. I don't tiptoe around race/politics/religion. I try to stick to facts and call a spade a spade...If it walks like a duck...You know...
Why can't all these race baiters and touchy feely "progressives" just move to California and close and lock the gates! :begging: :begging:
Idk if most people realize it but the KKK flew the American flag not the confederate flag. Does that mean we should ban it also? I think not!! All this hoopla over a flag is dumb!! People need to read up on history a lil before they go condemning something
The so called confederate flag was created for one purpose and it's not slavery. On the battlefield during America's Civil War, the south had a similar flag to the Union's (stripes and stars. To avoid confusion during battles when two sides had great amounts of smoke rising from their muskets and cannons, men would often get confused on both sides and fire on their own. Soon after the Battle of Bull Run, the south adopted the stars and bars to avoid this from continuing to happen. The flag does not mean slavery as almost 98% of the fighting soldiers in the south never owned slavery. They were fighting for states rights and from being invaded. I was born in the north and still live here and never quite understood the comparisons of the southern flag being associated with slavery. I'm dead set against slavery and always have been but to associate that flag with slavery is just wrong. It was simply a battlefield issue!
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I think it's time this country stops playing the slavery card for everything.
I am 50 years old and I have never seen or known of any slaves.
My Grandmother is 96 and says she hasn't either.
Show your slave papers and get what is owed. All others PAID IN FULL
Quote from: Bennett on July 04, 2015, 09:35:22 AM
This is an issue that's getting out of hand. There is a bill before the TN State Senate to change the name of Nathan Bedford State Park. There is also another round of public outcry to have his statue taken down from a park in Memphis. Obviously slavery is the greatest injustice in our history. Most of these people have don't realize the majority of Cobfederate soldiers didn't own slaves. They were mostly fighting because they felt they were being invaded by a government that had totally forgotten the concept of states' rights, which was extremely important to most of the Founding Fathers. A concept which seems to have been forgotten by the Supreme Court also! Happy 4th of July! As bad as it seems, we still are blessed to live in the greatest on Earth.
Ridiculous. I better just keep my thoughts to myself on this one cuz if I get started there will probably be a few folks laughing their off, a couple that would be very offended and I would probably get kicked off this forum.
Enough is enough though. My goodness, they nitpick at every little thing and every thing is offended some damn body. It's almost enough to make man wanna give them something sure enough reason to be offended.
I agree that this is going way to far ,I watched the new three part show last night called the SONS of liberty ,as a Canadian how do the guys from the USA feel about the british flag today ,,,should it be banned from all places in the USA as I am sure it may offend some folks ..and whats next ,,,Dutch
Quote from: Buzzkiller on July 04, 2015, 05:18:47 PM
I think it's time this country stops playing the slavery card for everything.
I am 50 years old and I have never seen or known of any slaves.
My Grandmother is 96 and says she hasn't either.
Show your slave papers and get what is owed. All others PAID IN FULL
X2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Onpoint on July 04, 2015, 07:54:16 PM
Quote from: Bennett on July 04, 2015, 09:35:22 AM
This is an issue that's getting out of hand. There is a bill before the TN State Senate to change the name of Nathan Bedford State Park. There is also another round of public outcry to have his statue taken down from a park in Memphis. Obviously slavery is the greatest injustice in our history. Most of these people have don't realize the majority of Cobfederate soldiers didn't own slaves. They were mostly fighting because they felt they were being invaded by a government that had totally forgotten the concept of states' rights, which was extremely important to most of the Founding Fathers. A concept which seems to have been forgotten by the Supreme Court also! Happy 4th of July! As bad as it seems, we still are blessed to live in the greatest on Earth.
Ridiculous. I better just keep my thoughts to myself on this one cuz if I get started there will probably be a few folks laughing their off, a couple that would be very offended and I would probably get kicked off this forum.
Enough is enough though. My goodness, they nitpick at every little thing and every thing is offended some damn body. It's almost enough to make man wanna give them something sure enough reason to be offended.
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The whole thing is ridiculous. The Confederate flag is being used as a scapegoat and nothing more.
Flags , such as the Stars and Bars, and symbols , such as the Swastika, did not stand for what most people think they do now days. Take away those symbols and forget about the past and the history and watch that history come back around full circle. Kind of like an Ostrich with its head in the sand.
im proud to be a southerner and proud of my ancestors who fought and died for the confederacy. I am also proud of the stars and bars. I do not see slavery when I see this flag , I see people standing up against a tyrant of a government at that time. people who are uninformed should actually study up on the cause of the American civil war. contrary to what many believe , it was not about slavery. it was the taxation the north was putting on the south. slavery was a cause put forth to give the regular people a cause to fight for. really to rally the northerners to fill the ranks in the army.
Just the latest example of a government that believes they know what's best for us. The FEW forcing the opinions of SOME on us ALL. Sad!!
Quote from: Greybeard11 on July 07, 2015, 03:35:28 PM
Just the latest example of a government that believes they know what's best for us. The FEW forcing the opinions of SOME on us ALL. Sad!!
that's the liberal mentality. They they know best and want you to feel , think and act the way they think you should.
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Seems like the New York liberal epidemic is spreading!!
Like wildfire
Here's my opinion..for what it's worth.
If some feel the flag is offensive; there should be a motion made and a vote put to the PEOPLE to decide. If the public votes to have it taken down; so be it. I just really have an issue with a few very outspoken individuals causing enough of a ruckus for the politicians to change things like that. Last time I checked, this country was still a democracy but maybe I missed something.
I don't think any of us are missing anything. We vite people into office and once they're in there they change. A chosen few make the decisions for 300 million others.
Yeah but we tried the public vote thing on gay marriage and that was all overturned by the Supremes.
Quote from: drake799 on July 04, 2015, 12:47:37 PM
Idk if most people realize it but the KKK flew the American flag not the confederate flag. Does that mean we should ban it also? I think not!! All this hoopla over a flag is dumb!! People need to read up on history a lil before they go condemning something
A picture is worth a thousand words, they should Google KKK March on Washington DC 1925 and they will see for themselves that the American Stars and Stripes were used. On the other hand, the sitting President in 2008 stated he did not wear an American Flag lapel pin because it was a sign of oppression. He has since started to wear the pin.
Most are too ignorant of history to be able to vote intelligently one way or the other.
YOU CANT CHANGE HISTORY
YOU CANT CHANGE THE PAST
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY DO SOME STILL LIVE IN THE PAST