Guys if you try to use the saddle mount for the 12/20 ga. Its not the right one for the new Youth 870 20ga. The one you need is the B Square Remington 870 20 ga. Express LT shotgun saddle mount. This mount comes with rings and you can also still see your steel bead. It works great for mounting the Simmons pro diamond scope... if you try using the old 12/20 mount its to loose on the new 870 youth .. You can look on Amazon and see this saddle mount. Cost is 43.98 with free shipping.