This is the last week of season here in ky and I have been using my benelli super black eagle. Well yesterday morning I had 2 toms come in, well I missed him and was standing there picking up my decoys and everything else and I looked down at my gun and I noticed my bolt was stuck back and there was a little bit of the hull showing. Well I had to work on it to get the shell out and when it finally did come out I noticed the lil plastic cap at the end of the shell was gone and there was some of the shot and reasen down in the gun and the bolt wasn't closed. Well the bolt wouldn't close unless you pushed it closed.so I left when there was 2 other birds I would have liked to have went after. last night I tore the gun apart and cleaned it good and had working a little better but it still wasn't exactly perfect.well this morning i went out and had 3 toms come in and the strutter was about 30 yards away and I pull the trigger, snap so I pull the bolt back and let it go, snap again, well I did it again and of corse it snapped. Well I made it home and I thought maybe it was the firing pin so I have to gun apart and the firing pin is coming through really easy when you push on it and the hammer is working so we took the bolt apart and now it will shoot a low brass but it is still not working right..I know I had a perfectly fine working gun before that shell came apart and now i might as well have a stick. Have any one else had a problem with the cap coming off and the stuff pouring out into the gun. I am just wondering if that shell pouring out in the gun caused all of this trouble or if it was something in the gun. Im almost afraid to take the gun the rest of the season. Sorry for the long rant.
You may have already done it, but it sounds like it needs a thorough cleaning to remove all of the stuff that came out of the shell. That would include taking the action/recoil spring out of the butt stock and clean it as well. A buddy of mine had some nitros do that in his gun. Needed a real good cleaning. Don't skimp on anything, get all of that junk out of it.
Hope that helps...
I had a customer have the same problem. Said A5 and SBEII was doing it for him. I think recoil is doing it to the ones in the mag.
I would take my bolt assembly completely apart and make sure everything is as it should be.
Sounds like gun
Well it happened again. This time I decided to shoot the gun to make sure it would cycle everything, so I put 2 longbeards in the magazine and shoot a 2 3/4 game load. I look down and see the bolt partially open. This time only about half of the cap broke out. Well the bolt was stuck back and it wouldn't close even after the shell came out. Well I turned the gun up and finally something fell out and allowed the bolt to close. So now I am gonna have to take the gun completely back apart to clean the gunk out of it again. I think I am done putting longbeards in the magazine of my benelli.
Sounds like a bad batch of shells if they are coming apart like that... I haven't any problems with them in my SBE2...
Quote from: taylorjones20 on May 07, 2015, 06:00:54 PM
Sounds like a bad batch of shells if they are coming apart like that... I haven't any problems with them in my SBE2...
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I bout a new box yesterday and two of them had the end caps busted and there were bbs rolling around in the box.
I went to the plug this week using that combination with no problems and good results! :z-guntootsmiley:
You need to post a picture of what you are saying cap of shell hangin out etc. The SBEII is a very simple mechanism . Its either the shell or you are missing something , possibly a bent bolt tail or a bent butt stock spring, or broken ejector.. Its there you just have to find whats wrong.. Also look in the action itself , you should see a spring in the side and a little screw..
Here are a couple pictures
Bad batch of shells,I would send the pictures to Winchester and see what they say.
Dang! That is going to take a bit more than candle wax or super glue to fix.
I emailed winchester last tuesday and they have yet to write me back.
Quote from: turkeyhunter91 on May 09, 2015, 09:01:48 AM
Here are a couple pictures
Just so I understand correctly.
Those shells looked okay when you loaded them in the magazine but that's how they looked after you fired a chambered shell. Is that correct?
Thanks,
Clark
I just got a 3.5 #4 LB out of the box yesterday with the end piece (where the crimp should be) missing....I checked the others in the box and chunked the bad shell....I ran across a number 3.5 #5 the other day that wouldn't chamber in a SX3(bolt wouldn't close)....I didn't really think much about it, just chunked it, from now on, I'll examine each one I put in my shell vest
Probably checking with they're legal department to make sure they are not in trouble.
Quote from: allaboutshooting on May 10, 2015, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: turkeyhunter91 on May 09, 2015, 09:01:48 AM
Here are a couple pictures
Just so I understand correctly.
Those shells looked okay when you loaded them in the magazine but that's how they looked after you fired a chambered shell. Is that correct?
Thanks,
Clark
Yes that is correct. I looked at the shells before putting them in my vest and they looked fine. The first one happened after I shot another 3.5 in Longbeard shell at a turkey, I was picking everything up and notice the bolt on my gun wasn't shut and I could see about half of my shell. The second time was after I cleaned the gun, I wanted to make sure the gun would cycle and shoot correctly after the gun wouldn't go off the morning before, so I put 2 long beards into he magazine and a 2 3/4 in the chamber and shot it, that is when the other one came apart. I looked at the shells both times before they came apart. Thanks
you know.....now that I think about it....I wonder if I had fired a shell while hunting with one of those #4's (now missing the crimp cover) in my magazine, then unloaded my gun and took the shells from my vest pocket and put them back in the original box.....
Quote from: turkeyhunter91 on May 10, 2015, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: allaboutshooting on May 10, 2015, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: turkeyhunter91 on May 09, 2015, 09:01:48 AM
Here are a couple pictures
Just so I understand correctly.
Those shells looked okay when you loaded them in the magazine but that's how they looked after you fired a chambered shell. Is that correct?
Thanks,
Clark
Yes that is correct. I looked at the shells before putting them in my vest and they looked fine. The first one happened after I shot another 3.5 in Longbeard shell at a turkey, I was picking everything up and notice the bolt on my gun wasn't shut and I could see about half of my shell. The second time was after I cleaned the gun, I wanted to make sure the gun would cycle and shoot correctly after the gun wouldn't go off the morning before, so I put 2 long beards into he magazine and a 2 3/4 in the chamber and shot it, that is when the other one came apart. I looked at the shells both times before they came apart. Thanks
I suspect that it's the force placed upon those shells in the magazine when a chambered shell is fired that is fracturing the overwad cap. That overwad is segmented and it looks like at times maybe one segment is fracturing and at other times all of them are. That same force could cause the resin to fracture, at least in part, and put some buffer, as well as the overwad pieces, into the magazine tube, receiver, chamber, etc. and that debris could easily cause a failure to feed or jam.
It would also seem that shells in a magazine when another chambered shell is fired might be weakened and more subject to having that wad fracture.
We often think of recoil as a force that just affects us as shooters but all that energy is disbursed throughout the gun. That's the reason parts break in them. We don't often think about the effect on the shells.
It will be interesting to hear what the Winchester engineers have to say about this and if it's an isolated situation. The spring turkey season should tell the tale.
Thanks,
Clark
Quote from: boyhowdy on May 10, 2015, 04:33:24 PM
I just got a 3.5 #4 LB out of the box yesterday with the end piece (where the crimp should be) missing....I checked the others in the box and chunked the bad shell....I ran across a number 3.5 #5 the other day that wouldn't chamber in a SX3(bolt wouldn't close)....I didn't really think much about it, just chunked it, from now on, I'll examine each one I put in my shell vest
Well that is one way to get the price equal to HEVI :TooFunny: Sorry couldnt resist :toothy12: Guess you could push on it with your finger to check if it will stay together, a field load causing it cant be to much recoil? Loose shot , not enough resin in it?
CALL WINCHESTER AMMO DEPT. @ 800-356-2666 .I'd be willing to bet they will replace yr shells but also offer a solution. In the mean time get some left over turkey loads and see ifn they give u any problems.
Quote from: turkeyhunter91 on May 09, 2015, 09:01:48 AM
Here are a couple pictures
Had 2 shells do the same thing as bottom pic, called Winchester, really pissed when it took a day to return my call. They wanted the shells back. I sent em one. Haven't heard a thing back yet
The overwad issue I would address Winchester about, like you already have but it sounds like you have another issue regarding ejection. I had that issue with Longbeards and thought it was the shells. As it turned out, it was the recoil spring. I replaced it with a new Wolf spring and problem solved. You can actually see and hear the difference in bolt return. They're about 12 or 13 bucks from Wolf.
If you're unsure of how to disassemble, look on Youtube for instruction. It's easy but the demo will help lots...
My guess is the recoil spring will solve your problem...
Checked some of my Longbeard shells out this evening.
No busted sections of endcaps.
Out off 8 , 3" 5's one cap was down further in the shell and loose. No loose shot in those.
Out of 7 , 3" 4's 3 had loose shot. Of course you cant tell how much, just hear it rattling around.
out of 9 , 3" 6's 2 had loose shot.
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Out of 12 2 3/4" 6's 5 had loose shot.
Out of 12 3" 5's 1 had loose shot.
Pushed down with finger tip on another LB 3" 5 and the endcap went POP , did not take much pressure.
What is there, glue holding it in?
None were in the mag tube , just in the range bag. Need to check the other 3" 5's in my backup vest and tote. All shells were purchased last year.
Just a little FYI