What do you all make of this video fancy editing or very unethical hunters?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVYUZA84fpM
Boy, I don't know...80 yards and drops in his tracks?
In before it's deleted. This should go over like a lead balloon.
This won't end well..... :OGturkeyhead:
I don't care for either, the 80 yard shot or the gunning from a blind. Move all around bird can't see ya and shoot, what an unfair advantage.
And we wonder why there are so many anti-hunters in the world,Thanks Will,you're the best
:popcorn:
Quote from: Cutt on April 28, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
I don't care for either, the 80 yard shot or the gunning from a blind. Move all around bird can't see ya and shoot, what an unfair advantage.
Amen. I don't have a blind but have contemplated buying one for when it's pouring down rain. I invested in some quality rain gear instead.
Can't believe I watched the video.... Obviously the bird wasn't near dead as he was slowly approaching while adding more shells to his gun and then kinda eased up and stomped his head.
Great job at making a great case for the anti's.... smh
Who cares. Guy shot a turkey...
This guy had every unfair advantage at his disposal with the exception of a tailfan and still could not get either bird into ethical shotgun range, then posts a video of it? Like Shannon always says, we never see a longest missed thread or a longest wounded thread and how come Willy Boy doesn't show the ones that run off wounded or missed when they try to pull the famous 80 yard skirt, not on Willy Boy, what a crock.
Ranks right up there with the 80.5 yard video and the guys that make videos talking about "Thats why we put 3 shells in the gun." Ridiculous.
I generally click off when I see decoys or the edge of a blind, so I can't really comment other to say that it wasn't interesting enough to watch.
Quote from: Onpoint on April 28, 2015, 07:01:08 PM
Quote from: Cutt on April 28, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
I don't care for either, the 80 yard shot or the gunning from a blind. Move all around bird can't see ya and shoot, what an unfair advantage.
Amen. I don't have a blind but have contemplated buying one for when it's pouring down rain. I invested in some quality rain gear instead.
THIS....
This is the most pathetic video & hunter that I have ever seen. Way to give all hunters a bad rap......
I did not even bother to watch it but I will bet it's a :TrainWreck1:
Nice shot!
i guess could have killed 4 this year that far, but they still be kickin! Instead I went home emptied handed. I guess really it comes down to personal choice and hunting moral. I would never do it, but what are we going to do, he did it end of story, at least the turkey is dead and not wounded.
But seriously, man that is way out of range, got lucky.
First off, anti-hunters don't need a video like this to affirm their absurd, ignorant view of hunters. They HATE us, regardless of whether we hunt out of a blind, tree stand, the ground, use a bow, toss a spear, etc. And if you don't want to hunt out of a blind, good for you. I hunt with and without them, and I enjoy the experience regardless. Why not try being a little less judgmental, obey the rules and hunt in a manner that satisfies your own personal ethics. And let others do the same.
Totally irresponsible and unethical. Anybody that has a "personal ethic" that allows them to take eighty yard shots at gobblers should not be turkey hunting,....PERIOD! Shameful to see.
Sad...just sad...
He got lucky... That is good.
He took a shot that was way too far... That is bad.
Another example of taking the "hunt" out of hunting. I feel the same way when I see a "hunter" shoot an elk / deer / etc. at 800+ yds or whatever, on those "extreme" shows on the Outdoor / Sportsmans Channels.... Just my opinion.
We all hunt and take pride in our skills and the hard work that we put into harvesting whatever animal we are after because we RESPECT the animal and its keen survival skills. If you choose to hunt an animal you should want to take it out cleanly and quickly whether it's a deer,turkey or whatever. Dude stomping on the birds head was to me disrespectful for the life he just took. MHO
Guys not a turkey hunter, he's a killer. Plain and simple a kill at any cost idiot with no respect for the game.
Even with hiding in a camo tent, in an open field with high dollar decoys he can't call him in. So, he slings some shot at him anyway at 80yds. Maybe they will adapt to hanging up at 100 yds in the future.
>:( :TrainWreck1: Ridiculous behavior. Makes you wonder what people are capable of.
Wow. I'm speechless ... For once.
Looks like a few folks that migrated over from the high fiving goose hunting scene, or wannabe goose hunters - I'm making my initial judgement based on choice of apparel , but just a hunch - I'll avoid making any personal attacks. Cause that's not how og operates
I see many problems with today's society, here we have a group of folks that are raised by tv shows , and think everything they see on TV , endorsed by tv , and promoted by some so called hunting " celebrity " is okay and fine --hence the 80 yard shot .....I counted the fella making 45 steps and that was when he was already halfway there -if they were more experienced they would know that shot is highly unproductive , I would venture to say your odds are better trying to make a hoop shot with a basketball at that yardage , than killing a gobbler with conventional equipment at 85 yards
Back to tv..... who is raising our youth ? Is Kim Kardashian really the role model for young girls today ? keep your eyes on your youth they are in more trouble than you realize -as far as our featured hunters , they seem to simply doing the old monkey see...monkey do routine , even up to taking the footage and placing it up on YouTube for the whole world to what t hey think is " worship"
But as pointed out , you wont see any longest miss threads , nor longest miss YouTube videos. Those just never hit the front page
Quote from: Cutt on April 28, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
I don't care for either, the 80 yard shot or the gunning from a blind. Move all around bird can't see ya and shoot, what an unfair advantage.
The 80 yard shot is dumber than a box of rocks,but whats so bad about gunning from a blind?
Quote from: MACHINIST on April 29, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: Cutt on April 28, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
I don't care for either, the 80 yard shot or the gunning from a blind. Move all around bird can't see ya and shoot, what an unfair advantage.
The 80 yard shot is dumber than a box of rocks,but whats so bad about gunning from a blind?
It just ain't for everybody .
I started back in the early 90 's and always plopped my butt in front of a tree. That's how turkey hunting has been done for years..with the new pop up blinds it takes away his keenest sense. His eyes. Just an unfair (but legal) advantage. I won't knock anybody for using one but i like my way better.
I'd much rather see someone hunting from a blind than hunting over a corn pile. Well hunting and corn pile don't really go together. let's say "waiting" over a Corn pile
"Feeding the ANTI's" is not an issue because like notsure said, they don't care whether we consider it ethical or not. To them, hunting itself is unethical regardless of the manner in which an animal is killed. What kills me is how the ANTI's are all in one accord but we as hunters are divided in many different groups.
If the hunter is honest with himself he knows that the shot was much longer than he should have taken and that he got extremely lucky to get that bird. Hopefully, he learns from it and makes a conscious decision not to do it again.
As for TV, it is just a product of the mindset of the "new majority" of our once-great Country. TV itself is not to blame. Blame the screwed up logic of the "new majority" aka the ones who voted in Obama, TWICE!!! That mindset is do what you want as long as it makes YOU happy... :angry9:
I have never hunted turkeys out of a blind but that was not what came to mind when I watched this it was the distance at which that turkey was shot being unethical. I was fortunate enough to kill a bird this past wednesday that weighed 26lbs when you look at a bird that big you quickly realize shots of 80 yards are very rarely going to kill that bird.
Putting aside the yardage issue (along with others), that video was an exceptional crash course on how to get a turkey to hang up outside viable shotgun range. Go back and count how many times it appears the turkey/s is ready to break and come in, but the hunter does something to stop the bird's momentum.
I think we have an ethical duty to downvote this video into oblivion...
Quote from: RiverRoost on April 28, 2015, 11:42:27 PM
We all hunt and take pride in our skills and the hard work that we put into harvesting whatever animal we are after because we RESPECT the animal and its keen survival skills. If you choose to hunt an animal you should want to take it out cleanly and quickly whether it's a deer,turkey or whatever. Dude stomping on the birds head was to me disrespectful for the life he just took. MHO
I have to agree ... it is a game of respect, for the hunter and the hunted. If this guy wants to take shots like this then go to Sniper school and go to war.
Quote from: Onpoint on April 29, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
Quote from: MACHINIST on April 29, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: Cutt on April 28, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
I don't care for either, the 80 yard shot or the gunning from a blind. Move all around bird can't see ya and shoot, what an unfair advantage.
The 80 yard shot is dumber than a box of rocks,but whats so bad about gunning from a blind?
It just ain't for everybody .
I started back in the early 90 's and always plopped my butt in front of a tree. That's how turkey hunting has been done for years..with the new pop up blinds it takes away his keenest sense. His eyes. Just an unfair (but legal) advantage. I won't knock anybody for using one but i like my way better.
I'd much rather see someone hunting from a blind than hunting over a corn pile. Well hunting and corn pile don't really go together. let's say "waiting" over a Corn pile
I don't use a blind either unless its raining like mad or I have a youth hunter.In fact I hate lugging them in and out of the woods.
momma always told me if I didn't have anything nice to say, I should keep my mouth shut.
my lips are sealed
idiots, nothing but idiots sorry I couldn't keep quite
Quote from: MACHINIST on April 29, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The 80 yard shot is dumber than a box of rocks,but whats so bad about gunning from a blind?
Personal preference I guess? To me part of the challenge and also a part of turkey hunting I really enjoy, is trying to make the right moves to get the shot off, just sitting against a tree. Sure I booger a hunt here and there, but I'm not going to sit in a blind to increase my success rate, because I'd be missing one of the most enjoyable parts of turkey hunting.
No wonder that gobbler wouldn't come closer, Jerry Reed is a terrible caller. :TooFunny:
Couple of thoughts.
I too counted the steps and got 40+. Did that on the first watch and do that when watching most any turkey video.
Did it seem to anyone else (I only watched it once) that he jammed two shells into the gun when he stopped there? Sure seemed like he racked on in and fished one out of his pocket for #2? Hmmmmmm
Is this ethical?
What about this?
Is it unethical to build a little brush blind on the day of or before the hunt? What about a good brush blind? (natural vegetation-palmettos, cut limbs, deadfalls, etc). How about setting up in a row of brambles and vines and cutting out a shooting window? Kind of like a natural pop-up.
For the record, I do not care about anyone's answer, I am just curious.
How does anyone feel about sitting in a deer stand (box) and killing a turkey with a rifle? (where legal). I had a friend who's dad has MS and he shook pretty bad, but loved turkey meat and loved being out in the spring, so he would shoot them with a rifle.
80 yards. what do you even say to that kind of garbage. its not about the challenge to many in this day and time. many don't want to work for what they get. its instant gratification. long ago turkey hunters were kind of like a special breed. they took pride in fooling a bird and taking a good clean shot at a close distance. it was never about the number of birds that they killed , but it was about how they won the game with the bird one on one on his terms. everyday society has spilled over into this great sport. I do think a lot has to do with internet couch turkey hunters and tv showing all the garbage exploiting hunting. once we started going in this direction , we will never be going back. its sad , but im afraid its is what it is. the old school ways of turkey hunting are steadly dying. as for me , I will continue to stay as old school as I can. I will continue to use the best equipment I can , but my methods will stay in place.
Nah spit, there have always been turkey shooters and there will always be ethical sportsman. The turkey shooters now have a platform (social media) to spread the disease, but my son and 2 nephews do it the right way and respect the bird. None of them would dream of taking an 80 yard shot.
Quote from: g8rvet on April 29, 2015, 03:37:56 PM
Is it unethical to build a little brush blind on the day of or before the hunt? What about a good brush blind? (natural vegetation-palmettos, cut limbs, deadfalls, etc). How about setting up in a row of brambles and vines and cutting out a shooting window? Kind of like a natural pop-up.
For the record, I do not care about anyone's answer, I am just curious.
How does anyone feel about sitting in a deer stand (box) and killing a turkey with a rifle? (where legal). I had a friend who's dad has MS and he shook pretty bad, but loved turkey meat and loved being out in the spring, so he would shoot them with a rifle. I do not think hunting from a blind is un ethical at all. old timers even use to use blinds that were made from natural surroundings. a 80 yard shot with a shotgun , I personally do find un ethical. as far as loving turkey meat , the stores around here sale turkey all day every day. if you choose to shoot one with a rifle and it is legal then its none of my business. I don't have to like it and can voice my opinion. if you like being in the spring woods and enjoying it , that's great , do so. but I just cant see using I love turkey meat as a excuse to shoot one with a rifle doesn't make any sense to me. but then again , just my opinion.
Blind or no blind, the only real question I see here is whether or not any hunter should be taking an eighty yard shot at a turkey with a shotgun. Is there any shotgun/load combination that, combined with a hunters ability to hold a steady aim on a gobbler's head at that range, will consistently, time after time, kill a turkey cleanly at that range?
How many times had that hunter patterned his gun with a turkey load at eighty yards? If he had (which I seriously doubt), how many of those patterning shots would have resulted in enough pellets in the head/neck area to assure a clean kill on a live bird,...once again, time after time?
Frankly, I doubt that he ever had. My guess is that he had no idea if he could cleanly kill that turkey at that range. Simply put, it was a poor decision to shoot and he is just very fortunate that the gobbler did not run off crippled.
Perhaps most importantly, how many hunters will see that video and decide to try an eighty yard shot for themselves? ....And how many gobblers will run off into the woods crippled to die a slow, painful death because of it?
Piece of crap in my opinion. He's not a turkey hunter . I hope he doesn't consider himself one.
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Quote from: ditchbank on April 29, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
Hell of a shot!! Great video!! Don't let the haters get to yA. It's all about turkeys dying. No matter if it's in a blind, Camo, no. Camo, stalking, not stalking. The turkey was cleanly killed. sometimes they shake a bit after being shot at 20yrds. He will eat just as good as a bird shot up close also, just with less pellets to watch out for while your chewing his breast up????
I have small thumbs!!
please tell me you are joking
Here's my :z-twocents:
#1 - I do not condone long shots. What makes a long shot depends on your setup. An 80 yard shot is foolish, unethical, and low percentage at best. I also didn't care for the charade about Jesus calling him on his cell phone.
#2 - I think it is all B.S. Despite the title of the video and the cameraman calling it an 85 yard shot, I do not think it is anywhere near 80 yards. I think it may be closer to 45 -50. I may be wrong but here's my thoughts.
We don't see the shooter outside of the blind until 4:11. We really don't know how far he is from the blind, but he is not far from that little dark green bush/weed/whatever at the bottom of the screen. When he stops to reload, he is taking short steps and I wouldn't count them as a full three foot stride. Also, he makes a dog leg to the right so he didn't walk in a straight line to the bird. Remember that green bush/weed at 4:11? I believe that is the same one that can be seen at 4:51. If so, that is not that far from where the ground blind is set up. You can see how close the decoys are to the ground blind at about 4:50. I would say that is a lot closer than 20 yards. Now count the steps the cameraman makes to get to to the hunter. We know that he actually starts at the blind. I would still consider it a "long" shot and wouldn't have taken it from what I can gather.
Natural man made blinds are not unethical. There is a big difference between using what nature provides to help conceal yourself versus using an artificial blind where you do not even have to sit still.
Quote from: ditchbank on April 29, 2015, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on April 29, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
Natural man made blinds are not unethical. There is a big difference between using what nature provides to help conceal yourself versus using an artificial blind where you do not even have to sit still.
cough , cough, BS....a blind is a blind, they both conceal
I have small thumbs!!
Man are you trying to ruffle feathers because you are going to do a lot of just that. Personally I don't care about the blind issue but I do care about 80 yrd shots. I don't care what you say, taking shots at 80 yards is just plain disrespectful to the animal. More birds will be wounded than ever will be killed at this range and that is just sad. We owe it to the animals we hunt to make the most absolute perfect shot we can to ensure a quick death. Hope this response don't upset a lot of people, but really I don't care. Just an FYI, here on Old Gobbler we have rules on posting/supporting shots over 40 yards. I see that you are new so you might want to go back and read the rules again.......
QuoteI also didn't care for the charade about Jesus calling him on his cell phone.
Totally forgot about that. I asked myself if that was what he actually said, but did not go back and watch that again. Classless.
Quote from: tomstopper on April 28, 2015, 09:01:18 PM
This is the most pathetic video & hunter that I have ever seen. Way to give all hunters a bad rap......
x2 Slob hunting at it's best.
I wander if these guys may have been handloaders using TSS or similar?
No doubt it is currently possible to put together a combination of choke and ammo that will yield kills at 80 yards at a ratio most of us would consider acceptable. I also have no doubt there are people who are capable of handling that combo in a manner that utilizes its effectiveness. It's much like extreme long range rifle shooting, high speed racing and I'm sure a host of other examples we could come up with if given some thought. Combine the best technology with specific individuals, and incredible results can be yielded. Based on the conversation in the video, it doesn't sound like that is the case, but I certainly can't say for certain.
However, as in many aspects of life, just because something can be done doesn't mean that it should. Of course that's a life lesson that can't be taught. It can only be learned.
Regards from a turkey hunter who thinks fifty yards is twenty too far.
I'll comment on what is POSSIBLE...I have a friend who made a GROSS misjudgement of range and killed a turkey dead as a door nail at 72 paces. I was there. I paced it off. I was behind him when he shot telling him it was WAY too far. He was excited and looking through a face net. Nothing but getting that turkey was registering. So, is it possible...? Yes...Is it ethical and should a person hold that up as an "accomplishment?" Absolutely not!
The whole idea of turkey hunting is getting them in close. It's about woodsmanship and stealth and good calling. Seeing them close up and unaware...
This stuff is an embarrassment...
Although my personal longest turkey has been about 55 yards I have witness 2 killed at 70+ the one was range finder verified I don't advocate that in anyway as you are asking for trouble and more often going to wound or miss the bird I do however tend to be a little more liberal than this forum of 40 yards and in only. I think with todays set ups 45-50 yard shots are very ethical.
The whole video p*ssed me off--the blind, the bad calling, the unnecessary music, the unethical shot and the sacrilegious bit at the end. I won't lie, I like to rap those guys up side the head with a stick.
Quote from: bghunter777 on April 30, 2015, 10:36:35 AM
I wander if these guys may have been handloaders using TSS or similar?
I don't care if they were hand loading TSS or not. The younger generation see this stuff and think it's totally fine to be trying shots like this. It's pretty evident by reading this forum that some feel this way...sad! If you can't call a turkey into 40 yards, then you need to work on your technique, set up, and calling and just chalk it up to the bird won that day. Way to many instant gratification types out there who are kill at any cost. TSS is some neat stuff, but IMO certainly not necessary and just another crutch.
Quote from: kjnengr on April 29, 2015, 04:46:58 PM
Here's my :z-twocents:
#1 - I do not condone long shots. What makes a long shot depends on your setup. An 80 yard shot is foolish, unethical, and low percentage at best. I also didn't care for the charade about Jesus calling him on his cell phone.
#2 - I think it is all B.S. Despite the title of the video and the cameraman calling it an 85 yard shot, I do not think it is anywhere near 80 yards. I think it may be closer to 45 -50. I may be wrong but here's my thoughts.
We don't see the shooter outside of the blind until 4:11. We really don't know how far he is from the blind, but he is not far from that little dark green bush/weed/whatever at the bottom of the screen. When he stops to reload, he is taking short steps and I wouldn't count them as a full three foot stride. Also, he makes a dog leg to the right so he didn't walk in a straight line to the bird. Remember that green bush/weed at 4:11? I believe that is the same one that can be seen at 4:51. If so, that is not that far from where the ground blind is set up. You can see how close the decoys are to the ground blind at about 4:50. I would say that is a lot closer than 20 yards. Now count the steps the cameraman makes to get to to the hunter. We know that he actually starts at the blind. I would still consider it a "long" shot and wouldn't have taken it from what I can gather.
Yeah, I don't buy it either. He says he can't zoom in on the blind, but he was able to zoom in the birds earlier. It's just stupid, and apparently a great opportunity to bash decoys, blinds, and TSS. Party on! ???
80 yards? May as well shoot him with a rifle. I have no interest in watching that video. ::)
to each his own hunting ethics as long as it is legal.we all can't be clones one way or the other.i am old fashioned and don't use blinds or decoys for turkey hunting and have taken the limit for 23 straight seasons shooting toms under 50 yards.even with my bad eyes i think i can guess yardage under 50 yards because that is my gun's capability.