Changed my choke/load combo from the 535 standard choke with win xx #6 to Indian creek blk diamond strike and hevi shot mag blend. The pellet increase is astounding. I was averaging low 200's at 30 yard to over 350 with the new setup. Only problem I'm having is with both combos I've had to aim low and left to get the biggest ratio in the circle. My sights are the dead ringer beard busters. I cannot make any adjustments so I'm at a loss with what I should do. Any suggestions?
Adjustable sight, tru glo makes a nice one. Or try a different load, some loads may shoot dead on for you? Try a target load first and see if they are shooting the same.
I just patterned my uncles old over under, shot dead on with target loads, all turk loads shot way left!
Tru Glo's or Williams Sluggers
My Indian Creek BDS shoots low with #6 long beards, but has shot high in the past with hevi shot.
I'm not a big believer in the load causing high/low/left/right poi. That is a gun/choke/sight/shooter issue.
If Allaboutshooting tells me different I will acquiesce.
Don't think it's a shooters issue, if it is then I am very consistent with my issue. Think I'll pick me up a Williams slugger sight tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys, think I'll pick up a Williams slugger tomorrow.
Then it's a gun issue. Poi not equal to poa requires shimming or sight adjustment.
I know from shooting my BPS and previous Moss 535, this it can be either shot or choke. I pattern from a lead sled and prior to that a cheaper rest. Two or the chokes I have tried, have shotonsistantly one direction or another. So I know in those two cases it was chokes alone. One of them (Moss "acuchoke") shot every single lead or Hevi load high and right. None of my other choke/shot combos behaved like that. Jellyhead in the same gun didn't shoot to the right, just slightly high.
Sounds like all choke, not shell
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 09, 2015, 08:50:48 PM
I'm not a big believer in the load causing high/low/left/right poi. That is a gun/choke/sight/shooter issue.
If Allaboutshooting tells me different I will acquiesce.
Believe what you want, I have seen it happen!
get you a set of williams slugger sights. I love mine.
regardless of what exactly it is as long as it is consistent then it can be remedied right? If it is the choke then I should be able to get some adjustable sights and adjust the wind age and elevation to achieve same POA/POI and be good to go. Anyone see an issue with this? The reason I'm stressing it so much is I'm fortunate enough to have someone let me hunt their private land this weekend that is chock full of gobblers.
Yes adjustable sights will take care of it. Could be the choke threads in the barrel too. Had a Mossberg a while back same issue, the choke threads were not concentric with the barrel. Where an extended choke just magnified the condition.
Are you shooting 3 1/2" shells? If so try 3" My Benelli shots high right every time with 3 1/2" shells
Quote from: Dtrkyman on April 09, 2015, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 09, 2015, 08:50:48 PM
I'm not a big believer in the load causing high/low/left/right poi. That is a gun/choke/sight/shooter issue.
If Allaboutshooting tells me different I will acquiesce.
Believe what you want, I have seen it happen!
What are the physics of that?
any change in variable may and or will change poi.
Figured it out boys. Put some adjustable iron sights on and completely fixed my windage issue. The sight wouldn't adjust enough to fix the elevation but now I just aim about 3" below where the feathers meet the neck and I'm on. Thanks for all the advice and input
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 10, 2015, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: Dtrkyman on April 09, 2015, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 09, 2015, 08:50:48 PM
I'm not a big believer in the load causing high/low/left/right poi. That is a gun/choke/sight/shooter issue.
If Allaboutshooting tells me different I will acquiesce.
Believe what you want, I have seen it happen!
What are the physics of that?
Barrel harmonics. Same with any centerfire powder/bullet combinations.
Quote from: 10gaugemag on April 11, 2015, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 10, 2015, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: Dtrkyman on April 09, 2015, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 09, 2015, 08:50:48 PM
I'm not a big believer in the load causing high/low/left/right poi. That is a gun/choke/sight/shooter issue.
If Allaboutshooting tells me different I will acquiesce.
Believe what you want, I have seen it happen!
What are the physics of that?
Barrel harmonics. Same with any centerfire powder/bullet combinations.
Nah - rifle barrel is acting upon a solid, not so with a scattergun.
Still harmonics involved. A lot of vibration running through that barrel as the shot travels down the bore.
Not enough to affect poi like that.
If harmonics caused a 1 foot change in poi at 40 yards, rifles would see a 10 foot swing at 400 yards?