Anybody shooting the longbeards 4s through an Indian creek .665 out of a remington 1187? Just don't like the 6s I guess I'm just old school. I also have a Sumtoy .650 and a jelly head .665! Just looking for some input!
Try 5's if you don't like the 6's. Bet with #4's you will have near 90% in a 10-12" circle at 40 yards with those tighter chokes, not much wiggle room.
Okay I'll try the 5's just can't make myself go to the 6's
I have killed a lot of turkeys since 88 with 4's a few with 5's and this year I am switching to 6's, pound that head with them and he will be just as dead.
Quote from: Uchee creek gobblers on April 09, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
Anybody shooting the longbeards 4s through an Indian creek .665 out of a remington 1187? Just don't like the 6s I guess I'm just old school. I also have a Sumtoy .650 and a jelly head .665! Just looking for some input!
You might find this to be helpful http://allaboutshooting.com/article_info.php?articles_id=724
Thanks,
Clark
Do some research on here concerning the 6's and I think you'll change your mind. The 6's put up a denser pattern and have plenty of energy for clean kills, with the right choke, at 40. I'm old school as well but TSS 9's, Hevi 7's and LB's 6's have changed my mindset.
My wife shoots the hw7s and I really like them. She's killed two birds with them. Now I'm not saying I'm the greatest shot in the world by no means but I had a bird come in and was shooting longbeard 6's I guessed him around 40, shot the bird rolled him up, jumped up to go get him he got up and haven't seen him since! By no means am I blaming the shell or equipment but that's the first time it's ever happened to me in 15 years and was also the first #6 come out of my gun! Stepped him off at 41 steps! Just surprised me more than anything!
My question to you, did you pattern the 6's in your gun prior to this shot? What were the results, if you did, and with what choke? What is the POI/POA in that gun? In most guns with the right choke, the 6's are putting up some great numbers at 40.
I have a Sumtoy .650 in an 1187 special purpose and I patterned it and I forget the number but I think in the 220s in the 10 inch circle. The pattern was great no doubt about that and it has the rifle sights on it and I got it perfect, shot almost a whole box thru it making sure it was as good as I can get it. Just don't know what went wrong, I was on wattles and squeezed of and I thought he was dead.
Bad feeling, bout made me sick!
I haven't shot the LB 4's but have head they put up a pretty good hunting pattern. Thats interesting to hear about your experience with the 6's. I shot a bird last year in the upper 30's and it was like he was hit by a truck.
With that info, I can't understand why you didn't pick that bird up either. The LB's come out of the pipe at 1200 fps and with 220 in 40 that bird should have died almost instantly. TOUGH!
Quote from: Uchee creek gobblers on April 09, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
My wife shoots the hw7s and I really like them. She's killed two birds with them. Now I'm not saying I'm the greatest shot in the world by no means but I had a bird come in and was shooting longbeard 6's I guessed him around 40, shot the bird rolled him up, jumped up to go get him he got up and haven't seen him since! By no means am I blaming the shell or equipment but that's the first time it's ever happened to me in 15 years and was also the first #6 come out of my gun! Stepped him off at 41 steps! Just surprised me more than anything!
I had the same thing happen to me last season shooting the LB #6's. He was around 35 yards and about to leave so I let him have it. He was hit but didn't go down. He ran and soared across a holler and I ran after him. Finally caught up to him about 150 yards and he was standing there having trouble walking. Thankfully I was able to shoot him again at 20 yards and then I still had to kill him once I got to him. Checked the gun and POI was still POA. I got rid of the #6's and shot Nitros the rest of the season. I've been using Mag Blends so far this year with great results and I have a few boxes of LB #5's.
I am not doubting that others have killed them at 40 with LB 6's but I was not happy with their killing performance out of my gun - They patterned great on paper but I sure was disappointed in them in the field...
dang with a pattern like that you would think enough would have penetrated to immobilize them toms?
Certainly was :o Bad Luck ???
Oh well , live and learn i guess.
I've never been able to bring myself to trust lead 6's at 40 yards. I'm going to shoot a couple more with my HW 7's and then might try out some LB 4's and 5's. If you use a red dot or scope a really tight pattern isn't too much of an issue as long as the bird is standing still.
the first year the long beards came out I had a mossy 535 3.5 and got great patterns out past 40 yards .anybody do any penetration test on the long bread at 40 plus yards ,.I am wondering how hard thy hit Dutch
I really really like the Longbeard 4s. I've been a big believer in #5 lead loads for a long time but with the Longbeard pattern densities those 4s are awesome.
Quote from: Uchee creek gobblers on April 09, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
My wife shoots the hw7s and I really like them. She's killed two birds with them. Now I'm not saying I'm the greatest shot in the world by no means but I had a bird come in and was shooting longbeard 6's I guessed him around 40, shot the bird rolled him up, jumped up to go get him he got up and haven't seen him since! By no means am I blaming the shell or equipment but that's the first time it's ever happened to me in 15 years and was also the first #6 come out of my gun! Stepped him off at 41 steps! Just surprised me more than anything!
I've gone back to Hevi 13 to shoot more open patterns for hunting. I have shot some awesome patterns with Win LB 3" 5's and 6's. It doesn't take much to get off the turkey and hit him with the edge of the pattern. Next time you get a chance to shoot off a good rest, measure and move your barrel over a half an inch and shoot the gun. Moving the barrel a half an inch in a hunting situation is easy to do. Win LB's allow very little room for error. I hunt allot with a Beretta/Urika 2/ Pure Gold .670. Doesn't turn the highest numbers at 40 (140's Hevi 13 3" 6's, 200 with Hevi 13 3" 7's) but it's ideal for hunting shooting double beads. Actually hunting a good bit with Win XX 3" 6's (180's in a 12" @ 40) Hard to miss.
So far I agree with Longshanks the #4's are almost too tight... I am ordering a scope now because I wasnt perfect on Saturday and didn't hit a coyote with the core of the pattern and it got away and my dad missed a gobbler clean at 40 today with them. We have a 16-18" pattern @ 40 yds max... It's a great looking load on paper when no pressure is on lol !!! But in the field you better be right on which is tough to do when your heart is under the ultimate stress test !!!!
Try a regular full choke. I did not count numbers yet as I tried it for kicks, but a winchester 1300 with a regular full choke surprised me with the patterns it threw with the LB. I think people will find it ofers that little more open pattern.
I am going to be playing with this in the upcoming week.
Quote from: VanHelden Game Calls on April 13, 2015, 12:25:52 PM
Try a regular full choke. I did not count numbers yet as I tried it for kicks, but a winchester 1300 with a regular full choke surprised me with the patterns it threw with the LB. I think people will find it ofers that little more open pattern.
I am going to be playing with this in the upcoming week.
Regular full in my Inv+ only put 77 in the 10. Nothing even about any of the pattern. I may try a Trulock .700 and see how it does.
Quote from: dutch@fx4 on April 12, 2015, 09:35:25 AM
the first year the long beards came out I had a mossy 535 3.5 and got great patterns out past 40 yards .anybody do any penetration test on the long bread at 40 plus yards ,.I am wondering how hard thy hit Dutch
I did a test with a soup can last year. Shot both the 5 and 6 LB's at 40. All of the 5's that hit the can fully penetrated both sides. With the 6's all penetrated the front side and about 1/3 of the pellets blew through the back of the can while the rest dented it pretty good. Plenty of penetration to cleanly kill a turkey at 40.
Quote from: 10gaugemag on April 13, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: VanHelden Game Calls on April 13, 2015, 12:25:52 PM
Try a regular full choke. I did not count numbers yet as I tried it for kicks, but a winchester 1300 with a regular full choke surprised me with the patterns it threw with the LB. I think people will find it ofers that little more open pattern.
I am going to be playing with this in the upcoming week.
Regular full in my Inv+ only put 77 in the 10. Nothing even about any of the pattern. I may try a Trulock .700 and see how it does.
Well I still have to test it for my own peace of mind. I use a Remington xtended choke now with very nice results. Just thinking out loud after my what the heck shot the other day and reading how some say LB's are to tight.
Quote from: VanHelden Game Calls on April 14, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: 10gaugemag on April 13, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: VanHelden Game Calls on April 13, 2015, 12:25:52 PM
Try a regular full choke. I did not count numbers yet as I tried it for kicks, but a winchester 1300 with a regular full choke surprised me with the patterns it threw with the LB. I think people will find it ofers that little more open pattern.
I am going to be playing with this in the upcoming week.
Regular full in my Inv+ only put 77 in the 10. Nothing even about any of the pattern. I may try a Trulock .700 and see how it does.
Well I still have to test it for my own peace of mind. I use a Remington xtended choke now with very nice results. Just thinking out loud after my what the heck shot the other day and reading how some say LB's are to tight.
Only way to do it, shoot em and see.
I have an 1187 and shoot a indian creek. I shot LB #6 out of it with 224 in 10" circle. The #4 were 146 in 10" circle. Those were 3.5" shells. I just got a box of 5's but didn't get a chance to pattern them yet.
I got 141 with an 870 from a primos titewad in the 3" #4 in a 10" circle. I have been impressed as can be with that $20 choke from Walmart.
Quote from: foxred1962 on April 14, 2015, 06:07:20 PM
I got 141 with an 870 from a primos titewad in the 3" #4 in a 10" circle. I have been impressed as can be with that $20 choke from Walmart.
That's impressive! I got 130 with 3.5" #4's out of my tightwad
Trust me you can trust #6 Longbeards at 40 yards with some wiggle room. I've killed over 50 birds with #6 and not all of them was at 25 yards. I'll take paterm density every time.
Shot this one out of a 28" 870 3.5" at 40 yards with the LB #4's and Jellyhead .665. They will thump em, but very tight. The 5's I got 185 in the 10. Both will thump but are super tight. Out of my old Wingmaster 3" with a 30" fixed full the 4's will cleanly kill out to 50+. At that distance they had between 10-15 in the kill zone over 3 shots. Didn't count the 10 but was a pretty pattern. May just need a more open choke like the Undertaker. It gives me another 4" spread all the way around at 40 and puts enough to kill at farther than I care to try a shot. That is with the 4's and 5's. Shot a squirrel with the 3" LB #6 out of the same gun and undertaker at 57 steps (around 58-59 yards for me) and all pellets were bedded under the skin on the other side of the squirrel (18 of them). Dropped him big time. I just like looking at those bigger holes on paper. All of that being said, the 1187's tend to pattern different than the 870's from what I have seen (lower numbers). 40 yards is no issue for the LB 6's penetration wise.
What kind of soup? :OGturkeyhead:
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I did a test with a soup can last year. Shot both the 5 and 6 LB's at 40. All of the 5's that hit the can fully penetrated both sides. With the 6's all penetrated the front side and about 1/3 of the pellets blew through the back of the can while the rest dented it pretty good. Plenty of penetration to cleanly kill a turkey at 40.
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