No I didn't shoot 70yds at a turkey, but thought real hard about it this morning. Worked the bird for 2 hours before we actually seen him, he showed himself over a ridge. Clear shot all they way too him. I patterned my gun at 40 with 312 in a ten inch circle and its dead on with poa and poi. Just curious if it would happen. I've seen one shot at 60-65 yards before. Not really looking for any bashing either fellas just looking for your input and maybe some of yalls longest kill shots. I'm interested I'm setting up a target and shooting 70 now after the situation arose this morning.
No talk past 40yds on here per forum rules.70yds......Are you serious???? Why dont you just hunt with a scoped rifle? Call him closer next time is the best advice i can give you. :popcorn:
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This isn't a bashing response but on Old Gobbler we don't talk about shots over 40 yards. I would never take a shot at a turkey at 70 yards even though my 835 puts up 300+ of Hevi 7's at 40. To me turkey hunting is about getting them in close so that I have an ethical kill not an injured bird at a range that my shot won't pattern well and loses to much energy. Let him walk and try him another day!!!!
Uh oh... :popcorn:
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 02, 2015, 06:00:29 PM
No I didn't shoot 70yds at a turkey, but thought real hard about it this morning. Worked the bird for 2 hours before we actually seen him, he showed himself over a ridge. Clear shot all they way too him. I patterned my gun at 40 with 312 in a ten inch circle and its dead on with poa and poi. Just curious if it would happen. I've seen one shot at 60-65 yards before. Not really looking for any bashing either fellas just looking for your input and maybe some of yalls longest kill shots. I'm interested I'm setting up a target and shooting 70 now after the situation arose this morning.
This post can only mean one thing.......
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When I was taught to hunt, I was told, make sure of your shot, make sure its a clear shot, know that you have the confidence to make the shot, and to be ethical about it. When we say shotgun we automatically think short range gun or we should. That's the fun of the sport of turkey hunting, calling them in close to look them in the eye and to make a close short range shot. Season opens here in Tennessee this Saturday and I plan on doing just that, good hunting guys!!!!
At a range like that i would doubt that pellet count in a 10" circle would be a real concern. I would be more worried about having the velocity to actually kill. Either way 40 should be everyone's limit in my opinion.
Unbelievable. Every single reply is spot on.
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Would Hevi 7's even break bones at 70 yards? I've had some of them stay in corrugated cardboard at 40. Patience grasshopper, there's always tomorrow...
I assume you have never patterned your gun at 70 yards and were just going to hope for the best? What shells are you shooting that makes you think that's even a good idea? If you go by the 1.25" penetration into gel rule nothing except TSS is going to put up 312 at 40yards and still have enough energy to kill a turkey at 70.
Really??The idea that you even thought of doing it is ridiculous. If you cant wait to call in a bird any closer than that to take a shot for any other reason than because you "saw a bird taken at 60-65 once" then you need to pick another hobby.Thats how birds end up as free coyote lunches by idiots taking stupid pot shots like that at em.
I know several of the TSS guys have taken birds at distances longer than what we are allowed to discuss here,and yes with the proper set up its very doable,but nobody who truly enjoys turkey hunting takes shots on a "guess i'll pull the trigger and see what happens" .I'd like to know what it is you're shooting to get 312 in a 10" at 40 if its not TSS
Problem with turkey hunting is that most of the folks that have crossed over from other hunting sports are mostly deer hunters with a rifle shot mindset , or long shot on a bow mindset -shotguns are a whole different story folks
-a turkey gun is not a rifle bullet , and it's not a razor sharp broadhead -your killing a turkey with a quickly diminishing pattern of very small pellets hardly the size of a ...well ... a pellet -
Go and stand outside in a open area and hold a #4 or 7 size pellet in the palm of your hand , look at it , then raise your eyes up at ..50 ,60 ,70 and farther ...so far out not even people with good eyesight can tell if the object they are shooting is a jake,hen or gobbler and figure that , that pellet has to be forced into that turkeys skull at great force , to kill him cleanly , the only way to do this is to hit that gobbler with a large swarm of them moving very quickly - past 40 yards...your chances got a whole lot worse
People who have shot hundreds of cases of shotgun ammo at live birds and the like will tell you , past 40 yards even in ideal conditions your killing effectiveness drops off by each yard , again a shotgun is not a rifle projectile it's a spray of very small pellets that does have a limitation -- I promise you this....start shooting at gobblers past 40 yards all the time and you will have some bad experiences, probably not the kind you will share or brag about to people your trying to impress
If I had t he choice of being a very good turkey caller with a 410 shotgun or ....being a poor caller with the state of the art shotgun , I'd be the good caller every time
might as well use a rifle at that distance. but seems like everytime i use a rifle a bird comes into close range. making it near impossible to get in ur scope. if i would have had a shotgun he would of been history, so i tend to stick to shotguns any more. a savage 24 a i believe thats what its called 22 hornet over 12 gauge would seem to be a turkey slayer.
I just don't understand this what so ever. I guess I'm old school and believe doing battle wit a gobbler is just that. We try to fool him to withen a kill zone that is close quarters. If we do , we win . If we don't he wins. The fun of the sport is getting him in close. I have never even considered taking a shot anywhere near that distance. It's at a point where people just have to kill a turkey. To each his own , but I'm going to keep doing it the way my grandpa taught me. When I squeeze that trigger , it will be a clean shot. If I do my part it will be a flopping bird. I will not lose one due to pushing the limits on my gun. I will just take my butt whipping like a grown man. Turkey won today , next time I'm gonna win. To me it is a chess match. I don't have to kill every bird I see. I like to kill them like everyone else , but on the same note , it's not necessary to me in order to have a great hunt. Good day.
70-yards is way over the effective range. In addition, the distance could have been further since there was no mention of a range finder. It's worth it to let him walk to meet him another day. Perhaps a lot closer. Good luck.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on April 03, 2015, 06:19:15 AM
I just don't understand this what so ever. I guess I'm old school and believe doing battle wit a gobbler is just that. We try to fool him to withen a kill zone that is close quarters. If we do , we win . If we don't he wins. The fun of the sport is getting him in close. I have never even considered taking a shot anywhere near that distance. It's at a point where people just have to kill a turkey. To each his own , but I'm going to keep doing it the way my grandpa taught me. When I squeeze that trigger , it will be a clean shot. If I do my part it will be a flopping bird. I will not lose one due to pushing the limits on my gun. I will just take my butt whipping like a grown man. Turkey won today , next time I'm gonna win. To me it is a chess match. I don't have to kill every bird I see. I like to kill them like everyone else , but on the same note , it's not necessary to me in order to have a great hunt. Good day.
Its the TV mentality of a lot of "hunters" today.Got to get one at all cost or you arent a real hunter.If you dont have the latest and greatest you have no chance at success.Relying on skills and patience to work a bird in close for a clean kill is slowly becoming a thing of the past it seems.Its sad to see people that if you take away their blinds,decoys, and ultra tight scoped shotguns are about as helpless as a newborn baby as they have no clue what to do.Sad :(
Jakesdad I'm shooting 3.5 lb #6 with Indian creek choke tube. The shot crossed my mind in a sense is this possible. I didn't take shot an not going to. Penetration at 70yd yes but pattern I would be interested in seeing what hit at 70. Just because I shoot it at 70 to see what hits doesn't mean I'll do it in the woods. Technology has came a long way from when it first started and y'all have to agree but that also doesn't mean think outside the box like I did. But anything is possible. Shells guns chokes have come a long way from what they use to be back in the day. And for the rules I didn't know of speaking over 40 was a rule breaker. I've looked for it and can't find but my Tapatalk app has been updated 4 times in the past month and I can't find stuff I use to be able too find. I'm not a veteran hunter and never will claim to be like some of y'all gentlemen are. I'm not trying to be a smart butt or rude. Good luck hunting fellas hope it works out for you.
INTERESTING TOPIC
IVE READ ALOT OF LONG SHOTS
BOWS
BLACK POWDER
AND KILLING SHOTS AT 600 YRDS WITH A RIFLE , THATS NOT HUNTING
AND SHOTGUNS
THE WAY THESE BOWS @ GUNS ARE BEING MADE TO SHOT LONGER AND BETTER
IM BEGING TO WANDER IS THERE NO END TO THIS ?.....
IT'S JUST BECOMING KILLING NOT HUNTING ...........
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 07:54:51 AM
Jakesdad I'm shooting 3.5 lb #6 with Indian creek choke tube. The shot crossed my mind in a sense is this possible. I didn't take shot an not going to. Penetration at 70yd yes but pattern I would be interested in seeing what hit at 70. Just because I shoot it at 70 to see what hits doesn't mean I'll do it in the woods. Technology has came a long way from when it first started and y'all have to agree but that also doesn't mean think outside the box like I did. But anything is possible. Shells guns chokes have come a long way from what they use to be back in the day. And for the rules I didn't know of speaking over 40 was a rule breaker. I've looked for it and can't find but my Tapatalk app has been updated 4 times in the past month and I can't find stuff I use to be able too find. I'm not a veteran hunter and never will claim to be like some of y'all gentlemen are. I'm not trying to be a smart butt or rude. Good luck hunting fellas hope it works out for you.
Easton1986-
I meant nothing personal towards you by my post. And I agree,technology has come a long way.I wont get into the discussion of what parts are good and what parts arent. Shells and chokes have come a long way,leaps and bounds over what we had even 10-15 years ago. But even with the highest "tech" stuff coming from guys who have done this for a loooooooong time,50 yds is about as far as the envelope is pushed.I do applaud you for thinking outside the box;not so much as in the shooting distance;but it shows you are willing to try something new which to me is a good step to becoming a good turkey hunter. I hope these posts didnt leave a bad taste in your mouth as there are lots of good people here willing to help.You'll be subject to some ridicule at times but after a while you'll see 99% is not geared towards you personally so please dont take it as such. Welcome to the forum and hope to see you on here more.Dont be afraid to ask about anything here either!!
No harm taken input is awesome!
People can brag about the long shots but those aren't the birds you remember for good reasons... It is all about the ones that test your will every day and humble you in the process. The best birds are the ones that you can identify my best was a gobbler missing a feather in his tail fan... I chased him for two weeks every day before I finally got him to strut behind his hens just in range and the rest was history !!! The other one my dad had worked for what seemed years it cost him over a months worth of vacation and one morning dad set up 80 yds behind me and the sneaky old timer came sneaking in circling dad and looking and I got him.... We didn't know until I put my foot on his head and dad got there and we saw the Spurs 1 7/8" and we celebrated like kids at Christmas !!! The best birds test ones will daily but are so worth the reward I hate cheaters... People who carry rifles especially over/unders just in case the bird won't come all the way in... What kind of a memory is that ? But somebody will brag about being a sniper instead of a hunter inevitably
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 07:54:51 AM
Jakesdad I'm shooting 3.5 lb #6 with Indian creek choke tube. The shot crossed my mind in a sense is this possible. I didn't take shot an not going to. Penetration at 70yd yes but pattern I would be interested in seeing what hit at 70. Just because I shoot it at 70 to see what hits doesn't mean I'll do it in the woods. Technology has came a long way from when it first started and y'all have to agree but that also doesn't mean think outside the box like I did. But anything is possible. Shells guns chokes have come a long way from what they use to be back in the day. And for the rules I didn't know of speaking over 40 was a rule breaker. I've looked for it and can't find but my Tapatalk app has been updated 4 times in the past month and I can't find stuff I use to be able too find. I'm not a veteran hunter and never will claim to be like some of y'all gentlemen are. I'm not trying to be a smart butt or rude. Good luck hunting fellas hope it works out for you.
I think you meant no. Lead #6 at 70 yards, no way.
Winchester long beard 3.5 number 6s in 835 with Indian Creek choke tube. Counted them twice and wife did also. 312 in 10inch circle at 40 yds.
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 09:54:14 AM
Winchester long beard 3.5 number 6s in 835 with Indian Creek choke tube. Counted them twice and wife did also. 312 in 10inch circle at 40 yds.
Smoking pattern no doubt about that.
There was a time I believed that pattern density would fail before pellet penetration for lead but these Long Beards are changing that.
we shot our guns at 72yards at flu metal just for curiousity with the longbeard 5 shot I think you guys would be impressed
Quote from: jakesdad on April 03, 2015, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on April 03, 2015, 06:19:15 AM
I just don't understand this what so ever. I guess I'm old school and believe doing battle wit a gobbler is just that. We try to fool him to withen a kill zone that is close quarters. If we do , we win . If we don't he wins. The fun of the sport is getting him in close. I have never even considered taking a shot anywhere near that distance. It's at a point where people just have to kill a turkey. To each his own , but I'm going to keep doing it the way my grandpa taught me. When I squeeze that trigger , it will be a clean shot. If I do my part it will be a flopping bird. I will not lose one due to pushing the limits on my gun. I will just take my butt whipping like a grown man. Turkey won today , next time I'm gonna win. To me it is a chess match. I don't have to kill every bird I see. I like to kill them like everyone else , but on the same note , it's not necessary to me in order to have a great hunt. Good day.
Its the TV mentality of a lot of "hunters" today.Got to get one at all cost or you arent a real hunter.If you dont have the latest and greatest you have no chance at success.Relying on skills and patience to work a bird in close for a clean kill is slowly becoming a thing of the past it seems.Its sad to see people that if you take away their blinds,decoys, and ultra tight scoped shotguns are about as helpless as a newborn baby as they have no clue what to do.Sad :(
Yep. I saw an episode of primos the other day and jimmy shot a really long shot. Hit the bird with the first 2 and wounded him then finally knocked him down with the third. Then was laughing about it and said that's why we put 3 in the gun. Absolutely ridiculous!
Outdoor TV mentality and shotshell manufacturers are why this is coming about. It's about selling product or making money producing shows. Turkey hunting should be about outsmarting and calling a bird into your lap, not killing a bird so you can BRAG about it. It should be about hearing him spit and drum at 20 yards or gobbling at 10 yards and feeling the hair stand up on the back of your neck. Killing him should take a back seat to having a CLOSE intimate experience with him! :z-twocents:
April Fool's is on the 1st .....
I cannot even stand to watch those hunting shows or videos anymore. Their ethics and respect for the quarry went out the window a long time ago. All about trying to sell you some newest, latest, greatest, piece of crap you don't need. If people didn't buy their crap they wouldn't be able to run all over the country making videos to promote their kill at all cost mentality. All about the almighty dollar. These people are disgusting.
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on April 03, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
I cannot even stand to watch those hunting shows or videos anymore. Their ethics and respect for the quarry went out the window a long time ago. All about trying to sell you some newest, latest, greatest, piece of crap you don't need. If people didn't buy their crap they wouldn't be able to run all over the country making videos to promote their kill at all cost mentality. All about the almighty dollar. These people are disgusting.
I agree 100% old school. Don't get me wrong its hunting shows or bluegrass is on the TV all the time at home. But half the stuff that's come out now-a-days is off the wall. I'm just going back to the choke gun shell spectrum. I was just wondering if what "we" have now was capable of making a kill at 70. But these people act like I'm a gangbanger "bussin capps" at every bird I see in the woods an I'm not that person, an don't plan to be. But I reckon you could say I got that mentality from those choke and shell commercials but I know what my gun is capable of and how it shoots. Which a lot of people now-a-days don't even pattern anymore and just put a shell choke in an go. Half the people I know don't even "sight in" their shotgun.
Easton, you are right. They are giving our sport a bad name with the influence they have. Newcomers to the sport see them blast away at birds way out of range, finally finish the bird after hitting it three times and are led to believe that this is ethical or responsible. It just sickens me to where I have to turn it off. Most of them are purely advertising and self promotion, I get the fact that thats how they make their money but that is the only thing they care about. Ethics? Not hardly
I can't even see 70 yards, so my calling better be good! ;D
Quote from: chatterbox on April 03, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
I can't even see 70 yards, so my calling better be good! ;D
I can see 70 yards but my calling isn't good! ;)
Even if a gun could produce a killable pattern at 70 yds and the pellets retain enough ft lbs at that range,the one thing very few if any people take into consideration is how much a turkeys head can move from the time you pull the trigger until the shot arrives to its intended target.A turkeys head is always bobbin around like a soda can in a wind storm anyway.Glad to see you explain what your intentions were Easton1986 and it seems you are on the right path,and you're right,sometimes its hard not to get caught up in the hype,especially if you're new to the sport.I do admit if I had a super tight shooting setup it would be interesting to see just what it could do on paper way out there.But for me its a game of "how close" not "how far".
Quote from: jakesdad on April 03, 2015, 02:21:30 PM
Even if a gun could produce a killable pattern at 70 yds and the pellets retain enough ft lbs at that range,the one thing very few if any people take into consideration is how much a turkeys head can move from the time you pull the trigger until the shot arrives to its intended target.A turkeys head is always bobbin around like a soda can in a wind storm anyway.Glad to see you explain what your intentions were Easton1986 and it seems you are on the right path,and you're right,sometimes its hard not to get caught up in the hype,especially if you're new to the sport.I do admit if I had a super tight shooting setup it would be interesting to see just what it could do on paper way out there.But for me its a game of "how close" not "how far".
I agree how close not how far! Hearing the bass in a gobble and sitting in your lap is priceless. Technology now I wouldn't be suprised that in ten years 70 yards will be a given and people will be saying 40 yards is in your lap not 20 like it is now. Things evolve in my hunting aspect. People calls guns etc etc............ But one thing never will is for that bird to be gobbling close enough to hear the bass in him or the spitting an drummin!
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I'm getting a kick out of :Popcorns! Y'all making me laugh!
:Popcorns are against the rules! ;)
a great pattern at 40 can fall apart by just 45 or 50 inside 10in at 60 and 70 that great 40 pattern isnt a pattern its a few lonely pellets that are slowing down in a hurry.
Completely understandable.
This is how far technology has gotten. A good hunt doesn't require a kill.
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Wow , ethics and TV shows, shell companies. That's why 70 yard shots are in question.
What about respect for the grand old birds.
Well heck all ya need is 3 in the head , 1 in the head. Who needs many in the 10".
But heck it from a longbeard so its lead penetrates 10 percent better because they say so.
Heck slow the velocity down and they are even better, it all good.
Do not know why someone would ask about long shots? Or be out there trying it?
Sorry about the sarcasm , but read about on here often enough lately.
So do a bunch of newcomers i would think.
So maybe that's why those who run this sight ask people to refrain from pro- long distance talk.
And many more here support it.
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But heck whatever works for you. :anim_25:
Never said longbeards would penetrate 10% better. Matter of fact never heard that they did. They pattern very well out of my gun is the only reason longbeards got brought in the situation. I shoot a 44mag deer hunting also in a rifle and killed one this year the furthest I've ever shot one with it at 115 yards. Know your gun know weapon and anything is possible with the right combination. Who would have thought Remington made a rifle in a pistol caliber that would shot groups that it does at a 100 yards. Guns have come a long way and things to make them more accurate and effective has also. I wasnt saying I was going to shoot one that far just wondering if it could happen more less.
Never asked if it was ethical! Guns have came a long way and so have shells even if you have a picture of a cracked choke! Its man made! Man made stuff fails all the time an always will. People miss all the time an even wound birds at 20 yards. Goes back to knowing your weapon and keeping things in check! Take a gun that takes 2 minutes to load from back in the day an now you can shoot 5 shells in 2 seconds that's improvement!
I see what your saying. An I'm not trying to sound hateful mean rude sarcastic. I'm trying to defend myself now that everyone believes and thinks i'm a idiot at turkey hunting because I was asking if it could happen. I know what could happen but I was asking other people's opinions on the subject.
"I wasnt saying I was going to shoot one that far just wondering if it could happen more less."
The problem with that is once you've tried it once on paper and yet get a few lucky hits on a target or worse yet you luck out and kill a bird that far,the next time that shot presents itself there is always going to be that little voice that says "it worked once before why not try it again". I don't see shotshell/shotgun technology ever advancing to the point where 70 yd shots will become the "norm" and 40 yds will seem like 20 yd slam dunks.A single projectile is one thing,but hundreds of little pellets that standing alone dont possess the ability to kill ethically at those ranges is a different animal in itself.
Was not directed specifically at you. You only had the question.
The 10 percent has been quoted on here in other replies to similar questions and by winchester.
Interesting about 44 mag, its a neat cartridge . the .45 colt has killed alot of deer too, so all good.
Now the lead shotgun pellet at at 1050+fps is the same as the lead pellet has been for a very long time.
Anything could happen at that distance, doesn't matter if the lead pellet came from the mighty 10 gauge or the puny .410 bore, what does matter is if it is wise to try?
Once he is wounded and gone that is it. He wont be there to try call in later.
No turkey breast , no fan,beard or spurs, pictures or good stories to tell. Just a bad memory.
Now good luck this season. Go get that ole tom to 25-30 yards(you know you can do it). And looking forward to seeing them pics on here.
I don't believe 70 yard shot will become the "norm" but I believe 70 yard shots are capable an more capable in the near future.
Well put owlhoot!
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 04:59:51 PM
I don't believe 70 yard shot will become the "norm" but I believe 70 yard shots are capable an more capable in the near future.
With what? I don't see anything ever being designed that can hold both pattern density
and retain enough energy at that range that can be fired from a shotgun.I feel sorry for anybody now or in the future that thinks they need a 70 yd shotgun to hunt turkeys whether its capable or not.
Don't need a 70 yard gun. I personally see shells getting better gun and the chokes to produce kill shots at that range. I believe we have that now in the correct setup. Was it two three years ago when Drury outdoors did a review of win lbs? Well anyways federal matched win with there 3rd degrees. Its a competitive market to survive now and with that comes advancement and I see it happenening.
I'm not going to pull any punches here but anybody who shoots at a turkey that far whether your gun/shell/choke is capable or not is a slob hunter in my book and will never get any kind of respect from me.
Basically your telling me I'm wrong for killing a deer at a hundred yards even though my gun is capable of shooting 300 and I should wait till he gets right under my stand at 20 yards? I'm not being a smartelic but if I able to shoot that far an be able to kill that far and make a ethical shot I'm gonna do it. Its about the kill not taking a selfie with a turkey in your lap until the deal is done. I'm voicing my opioion man not being a butt about it. That's the way I look at it. But a 20 yard shot is better then a 70 yard shot cause he's just that much closer. An thats not to say you don't miss cause your pattern is way to tight am ya aim was off.
The greatest experience for me in turkey hunting is having the turkey within 30yds gobblin looking for the hen. After 40+ years of turkey hunting that still gets the heart pumping, accelerated breathing and the hands shaking. Had a turkey at 45yds yesterday with about an 8"beard. Could have shot, not the best shot. 50/50 I would have killed him. Let him walk. Awesome hunt, didn't take the shot because it wasn't a high percentage shot/ limbs, turkey walking headed off a hill etc. Gonna go back and hunt him tomorrow. I know where he is and the route he has taken two mornings in a row. It's all good. Good situation that could have turned sour had I tryed to force the shot.
Comparing a rifle at distance to a shotgun at distance is apples to oranges. Rifle bullets can be placed precisely, shotgun patterns can not. Pattern densities changes from shot to shot by sometimes fairly large margins and you never know how a small pellet with react to various forces as it flies. Rifle bullets can be better judged through the use of a good ballistics calculator and by getting out and shooting along with having total control of your setup through proper reloading techniques.
I shoot on steel out to 800yds, my personal limit on animals is 400yds with a rifle and everything would have to be about perfect for that to happen.
Longshanks, I went back an hunted the same bird that brought this whole thread up again this morning. He gobbled just like he always does in the same spot. He flew down an went the opposite direction totally different then what he did to make me start this thread. Each hunt I figure him out more an more. Will I hoot at him at 70 yards no but when he comes in to 30 yes sir!
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 06:01:57 PM
Basically your telling me I'm wrong for killing a deer at a hundred yards even though my gun is capable of shooting 300 and I should wait till he gets right under my stand at 20 yards? I'm not being a smartelic but if I able to shoot that far an be able to kill that far and make a ethical shot I'm gonna do it. Its about the kill not taking a selfie with a turkey in your lap until the deal is done. I'm voicing my opioion man not being a butt about it. That's the way I look at it. But a 20 yard shot is better then a 70 yard shot cause he's just that much closer. An thats not to say you don't miss cause your pattern is way to tight am ya aim was off.
You're comparing apples to oranges here.Shooting a single projectile and shooting pellets are 2 entirely different things altogether. Way too many variables to even try a shot like that that have nothing to do with your gun being capable.Turkey moves,wind speeds,terrain,etc. A 30-06 is capable of 1000 yd + shots ,snipers used em during WWII.Does it mean I should be blasting away at 1000 just because my gun is capable?If its just about the kill to you then you're really missing out.
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 06:01:57 PM
Basically your telling me I'm wrong for killing a deer at a hundred yards even though my gun is capable of shooting 300 and I should wait till he gets right under my stand at 20 yards? I'm not being a smartelic but if I able to shoot that far an be able to kill that far and make a ethical shot I'm gonna do it. Its about the kill not taking a selfie with a turkey in your lap until the deal is done. I'm voicing my opioion man not being a butt about it. That's the way I look at it. But a 20 yard shot is better then a 70 yard shot cause he's just that much closer. An thats not to say you don't miss cause your pattern is way to tight am ya aim was off.
Maybe the opposite? Your rifle is good to 300, whatever that rifle is. If you shot deer at 100 with it, that would be a good thing. You are not taking chances with the animal pushing the rifle to it accuracy , power or your personal ability. Ok so now you got a future turkey gun and load that shoots , lets say 60 yards with pattern and penetration. Do you use it to its absolute maximum? Or a little less to insure enough for the game?
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 06:24:37 PM
Longshanks, I went back an hunted the same bird that brought this whole thread up again this morning. He gobbled just like he always does in the same spot. Each hunt I figure him out more an more. Will I hoot at him at 70 yards no but when he comes in to 30 yes sir!
At 30 yards go ahead and SHOOT him, post the pics please :)
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 06:24:37 PM
Longshanks, I went back an hunted the same bird that brought this whole thread up again this morning. He gobbled just like he always does in the same spot. He flew down an went the opposite direction totally different then what he did to make me start this thread. Each hunt I figure him out more an more. Will I hoot at him at 70 yards no but when he comes in to 30 yes sir!
That's what makes it fun. Normally the gobbler is just going in the direction of the the hen or hens. Can't blame him.. If we could figure them out everytime..wouldn't keep us setting the alarm, dragging ourselves out of bed, making those long walks through the woods in the dark. Hope you get him. Some of the turkey's I remember the most are the ones that took allot of hunts to get. I finally catch him in the right situation and he walks right up in my face gobblin and looking for the hen. Keep at it, make sure the set up is good and forget about stretching the distance with the gun. Crippled bird is the lowest of the low when it comes to experiences in the turkey woods.
Its not about "just the kill" because if it was I could of limited out yesterday from watching birds cross the road and stand there an look at me for countless seconds while I loaded my gun and stepped out of the truck an shot them in the face at 30 yards. But I didn't do that. Apples to oranges guys come on. Shotgun is a shotgun and a rifle is a rifle yes I understand that. But when a man, hunter is confident in himself and his weapon he can set his limits and not exceed them. In the case of shotguns compared to rifles get rid of the red dots scopes chokes new shells an all an go back to the old days because I'll still act like a kid at Christmas opening morning whether I'm toting my 835 or a single shot with no choke!
ok you didn't shoot from the truck. WHY?
You shoot a 44 mag rifle for deer. WHY?
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
. Apples to oranges guys come on. Shotgun is a shotgun and a rifle is a rifle yes I understand that. But when a man, hunter is confident in himself and his weapon he can set his limits and not exceed them. In the case of shotguns compared to rifles get rid of the red dots scopes chokes new shells an all an go back to the old days because I'll still act like a kid at Christmas opening morning whether I'm toting my 835 or a single shot with no choke!
What are you even talking about? I agree about knowing your equipment because if you don't you're a fool.
If you understand that it's rifles vs shotguns then you should understand it is apples to oranges. A red dot doesn't make you pattern better and none of the new production shells with work consistently @ 70yds. Precision placement vs I hope some of this swarm of pellets hit him. Velocity to burn vs low velocity, apples vs oranges.
Go shoot 20 patterns at 70yds and see how confident you are in your setup.
I promised myself I wouldn't seriously chime in, but I just have to.
Easton, since it's inception, turkey hunting has and always will be, a close contact sport.
Yeah, early on shotguns were limited by full chokes and lead shot, but even as technology as improved the principle has remained the same. Use solid woodsmanship, and calling to bring him in close and dispatch him with a clean, well placed shot which will disrupt his central nervous system.
Even if there was a factory loaded shell that would dispatch one at 70 yards, that has zero interest for me. Far too much can go wrong for me to leave such a shot to chance, and I do not see ammo companies going in that direction.
You spoke of the Drury brothers and the longbeard shell. IMO, they did a tremendous amount of damage to the sport of turkey hunting by claiming a 70 yard lead killer. BS. They were getting their pockets lined to say these things. You will never, ever have the pattern density, nor pellet penetration at that distance with lead. The longbeard is a fine shell when used within it's limits.
Personally, If 70 becomes the new 40 and I don't see it happening, it will be a very sad day for this sport.
Anyone can pull the trigger and kill one. Calling him into your lap, that's the challenge.
Best of luck to you this season.
A red dot doesn't help a pattern but chokes an shells do. What if I do shoot 20 targets at 70 yard and hit well every time and penetrate great in ballistic gel. Y'all still don't want me too shoot because he's not sitting in my lap like y'all have had for the past twenty years? Shooting a turkey out of the truck is wrong but y'all act like I would do that because I would ask a question if a turkey would die shot at at 70 yards. Quit hammering me when I ask a question if you think it would happen. I didn't ask what do y'all think about me when I shot at a turkey this evening at 70 yards an it ran off wounded. Then the admins say over 40 yards is prohibited? I asked a question not a statement. And yes the bashing comes out and the smart comments and the :Popcorns which I love because people believe I'm an idiot for the question I asked and they want to see what goes on. But hey whatever floats ya boat man. I probably will never shoot at turkey over 40 yards cause I have to say that because its prohibited. Man has made it what it is now and he will continue to make it in the future.
If you shoot 20 times at 70 yds and it patterns well and penetrates great in ballastic gel please post it here.We'd all love to see it. But since it cant be done stick to ethical and reasonable ranges or pick a different hobby. There are far too many people out there looking for the easier way to success,and that applies to more than just turkey guns or hunting in general. If a load,choke combo existed that could do these things at 70 yds the wannabes on TV would already be totin it.And no the Drurys and the Win Longbeards dont cut it either regardless of what TV says.
Quote from: Easton1986 on April 03, 2015, 07:11:34 PM
A red dot doesn't help a pattern but chokes an shells do. What if I do shoot 20 targets at 70 yard and hit well every time and penetrate great in ballistic gel. Y'all still don't want me too shoot because he's not sitting in my lap like y'all have had for the past twenty years? Shooting a turkey out of the truck is wrong but y'all act like I would do that because I would ask a question if a turkey would die shot at at 70 yards. Quit hammering me when I ask a question if you think it would happen. I didn't ask what do y'all think about me when I shot at a turkey this evening at 70 yards an it ran off wounded. Then the admins say over 40 yards is prohibited? I asked a question not a statement. And yes the bashing comes out and the smart comments and the :Popcorns which I love because people believe I'm an idiot for the question I asked and they want to see what goes on. But hey whatever floats ya boat man. I probably will never shoot at turkey over 40 yards cause I have to say that because its prohibited. Man has made it what it is now and he will continue to make it in the future.
Just curious..don't want to argue with you..but why is your focus to shoot at 70yds or to think that what you need to get it done consistently is long range shooting. Extending your range is not gonna teach you anything about turkey hunting or make you a better hunter. I would put my focus on all of the aspects of turkey hunting that help to get a gobbler inside 40yds. Set-up, concealment, when to call/when not to call, when to call aggressively or not, when to change position, etc. improving my turkey hunting skills over the years had nothing to do with trying to shoot farther. I have set up better patterning guns inside 40yds over the years and limit out every year. There are some awesome people and hunters on this website with invaluable information about turkey hunting. If you don't want their suggestions..don't ask them. All the best to you in the turkey woods.
Quote from: jakesdad on April 03, 2015, 07:21:56 PM
If you shoot 20 times at 70 yds and it patterns well and penetrates great in ballastic gel please post it here.We'd all love to see it. But since it cant be done stick to ethical and reasonable ranges or pick a different hobby. There are far too many people out there looking for the easier way to success,and that applies to more than just turkey guns or hunting in general. If a load,choke combo existed that could do these things at 70 yds the wannabes on TV would already be totin it.And no the Drurys and the Win Longbeards dont cut it either regardless of what TV says.
I'm not basing my opinions and options off dury outdoors and there reviews. I would very much rather have him at 30 in my face then 70. I was just curious if it has or could be done. Like I said I believe notice I said I that it can be done better in the future.
And it being able to be done in the future doesn't mean I'm going to do it.
You didn't shoot at 70 at the tom. Great.
You didn't shoot at the road in the truck. Great.
You started asking about 70 yard shots. Which to most means you want to try it on it a live bird.
Most would not like to you to try it. They know it is not a good idea.
Many have been posting for years , many over 1000 posts.
If any start about 70 yards , any of us is gonna get schooled fast.
Popcorn means controversial subject i guess , this one is going to get rolling.Not idiot.
Personally I hope such a gun/load/choke combo like that never exists. Like somebody said earlier,turkey hunting was and is a close range sport. You develop something like that then every yahoo in the world thinks they can start shooting turkeys at 70 yds with a shotgun.Whats next...100 yd turkey guns. These ultra long range guns are going to lead people down the same path ultra realistic decoys and pop up blinds did.....its the only way they know how to hunt.Anything wrong with using them? Nope.But take them away and you see how one dimensional they are. Using a gun whether it ever it exists or not that shoots like that and you become nothing but a turkey shooter;not a turkey hunter.
for the guys that wanna just call them in and not kill them and not shoot past 40 why not just take there picture or take a flintlock or even where camo why not just see how dumb they really are....come on guys let him alone go do some house chores
Funny thing is. There's a choke tube maker on this very forum that has a video up of a 81 yard shot.
Now as far as killing. I do know for a fact that htl Winchester #6 will kill a goose at 70 yards. Back when I was goose hunting, I carried my turkey tube and a few of my turkey loads. It worked a lot better than 6 guys throwing 18 more rounds of steel shot at a wounded bird on the water.
My argument isnt a case of if it can be done,heck such a beast may already exist,but of why would you want to do it? Why would anybody have the desire to shoot at turkeys that far away? Its like using a rifle to shoot a turkey.Big deal.Almost like fishing with dynamite.
Ever seen that show called "Long Range Pursuit"? I will give them guys credit.They design awesome guns and they know them well.They practice........ALOT. They know their weapons like the back of their hand.Then they go out and shoot an elk at 1200 yards. Did it take a great shooterto pull off a shot like that.Sure.Did it take a great hunterto get within 1200 yards? No.
Decide what you would rather be,hunter or shooter,then pick your game accordingly.
Just curious what choke an shell was the guy shooting at 81 yards. Have no desire to shoot that far at all but just the post about it.
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Well I guess I missed this one. My :z-twocents: is I've got 2 guns that are 50 yard rigs. Can I kill one that far? Yes. Have I? Yes. Was it as rewarding as the ones I killed at 20? Not even close.
Not sure why people insist on opening this can of worms time and again but some of the posts sure are entertaining.
Wait a minute here now, I think that kill with that particular brand of choke tube was only 80.5 yards LOL. J/K
Lol
:popcorn: I have a cure for this post, Easton 1986. Go to your gun club and shoot your hunting load at those longer ranged, put 2 pieces of cardboard behind them, make them big pieces so you can see what happens to a pattern after 40 yards. Then see how many pellets penetrate all the way through. I believe this and common sense will put this to rest :z-twocents: Al Baker
I have 3 dedicated turkey guns which I really only need two I just like to keep them when I find a shooter. When I travel to Tennessee or Kansas I like to have a back up that's why i have kept them. Most of what i have learned has been on this site about high performance guns,chokes and shell. Two of those will put mid 140s in a 12 inch circle at 55 yards shooting nitros. I'm 62 years old and I harvested my first deer with a bow when I was 19. Now I have harvested a semi full of deer in my life. 10 years ago due to a accident I can no longer shoot a bow. 2008 i Harvested a 140 class deer with a 270 at 175 yards. When I walked up to the deer I was sad as i never got that rush of close encounters. That was the last deer I killed and no longer hunt them. I still hunt turkey and waterfowl as much as I can. The birds have to finish for me to be happy. I feel I have to be able to harvest them cleanly and humanly. On geese if they do not drop the legs I don't pull up as I feel I don't deserve to take them. that's how I feel about turkeys. I need them inside 30 yards to feel like I deserve them. Now when I was younger I felt like I had to kill as much as I could legally. I guess its my age now because every time I go hunting its a great day and if I'm fortunate enough to get a bird its a bonus. Just my thoughts.
Quote from: Dirt nap on April 03, 2015, 07:51:10 PM
for the guys that wanna just call them in and not kill them and not shoot past 40 why not just take there picture or take a flintlock or even where camo why not just see how dumb they really are....come on guys let him alone go do some house chores
There are allot of turkey's that come inside 40yds that donot present an ethical shot. Experienced hunter don't take bad shots. This doesn't mean that they don't want to harvest the turkey. It just means that they would rather not take a bad shot and risk crippling the turkey. I wish this was more consistent among turkey hunters but it's not. There have been two turkey's shot at this year at my camp where the guys didn't have a good shot but shot anyway. One was a miss and the other knocked the bird down and lost him. I was taught by some of the best turkey hunters in the country to error on the side of the turkey if the shot is questionable. It's all about respect for the Wild Turkey.
I understand that but I have even seen things go wrong and birds get crippled inside of 40 so....?
That's from either taking a bad shot or just making a bad shot. The idea for me is to do my best to take a high percentage shot to decrease the chances of this happening. Forcing shots and pushing the envelope on distance is asking for bad results. There's not a soul on here I can bet that's calling turkey's up and doesn't want to shoot them. Some folks just take low percentage shots with no respect for the game they hunt. If folks are taking high percentage shots and still have bad results they need to practice and shoot more open patterns.
I apologize if my popcorn and train icons offended you. You obviously don't know what it means. I seen into my crystal ball and knew where this thread was going. I've been here long enough to know when to get ready to read a very controversial post. Your a very well spoken guy and in my opinion handled your post as good as you could have . I did enjoy reading this thread. You seem like a good dude. You made a controversial post, got hammered a little , but handled it well. I have to admit, I did need more popcorn. This was a long one. Happy and safe hunting.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:. Lol
You too Mrs. Hook! Enjoyed all the bashing and criticism! Hey opinions are like buttholes everyone has one! No harm here! I'm defiantly not going to tuck my tail an run! Good luck an great hunting!
Mrs hook. Lol
Saw a post on another site where a guy was telling about him and his 10 year old son doubling on Osceolas. I like good stories of a successful young'un, so I clicked it. I wish I did not. He then regaled everyone with how he called in 2 birds and they would not quite get close enough for his son, so he took one of them AT 60 YARDS! He then tells his son, the other one ran off in to those pines, go see if you can shoot him while I run down and stomp the crippled bird and the 10 year old, by himself, ran over to the woods edge and shot the other gobbler in the palmettos. So he showed his son some wonderful lessons on that hunt-you can decide which was terrible. I was gonna chime in, but you can't really teach a grown man anything, so I did not bother. Was disgusted by all the "great job" posts following it.
I have nothing much to add to this thread, just thought ya'll would like to hear that story and this seemed like a good place to put it.
I'm familiar with a certain click of folks promoting those type of shots , I'll take a stab in the dark
There seems to be a pattern of these very people engaging in a pattern of promoting very long...long shots , ( elsewhere , not here ) they start up threads and prop each other up with "at a boy" posts congratulating each other on these long shot garbage threads - it's bewildering , I look at them with astonishment , I would be so ashamed to admit I shot at a turkey at these ranges like they do , I've seen 83 yard jake shots , gobblers at 100 , 72 and so on if it's with a rifle , TSS , lead whatever ,there is just no end to it , people see it......and repeat the stunts .....never seen a longest missed gobbler thread ....I've yet to see anyone print out a at shirt stating , " I shot a jake at 83 yards and I'm proud of it " and walk around at the Nashville convention with it proudly displayed -- and I did publicly issue out that challenge before .....no takers yet.....the reason being is that on the internet people tend to twist and distort reality from fantasy , it's natural - girls put up their best picture of themselves from years past on dating sites trying to portray the most appealing public persona , and people do the same on forums when talking about points of interest -'I've actually seen people call them out like used to on other places and these 100 yard folks go all crazy on them attacking them publicly , they try and portray themselves off as very serious folks with all the best skills and equipment , and they only have a 100 yard turkey gun just for chits and giggles , but in reality they would be completely lost with out that special gun
Every single turkey hunter can take a shot further that they know is responsible , but the good ones don't , and we don't PROMOTE long shots , and persuade others to partake in the irresponsible activity - the best turkey hunters I ever met had one thing in common , respect for the turkey , promoting 100 shots at turkeys is perhaps the most irresponsible thing I am aware of in the turkey hunting world ....but people do it .....amazes me , people see this junk on the internet , and try the same stunts with their turkey gun ....
There are 2.4 million turkey hunters according to the Nwtf , that is 2,400,000 people
I said that to lend perspective to the ( very small ) handful of folks fixated on promoting extreme long shots talking 60,70,80 I've seen 100 yards ....there is some that foolishly take factory ammo and repeat stupid things in the woods .....then there is some that buy the material and hand load it , and then there's the ones selling the TSS shot , and circulating their own formulas .....I and from the threads I've seen and filed away , the information is being carelessly circulated , hence the oblong shells , shells that don't go off etc... , I booted them straight off this site years ago after legal council , and it is perhaps the single best move I've ever made on the forum -- There is too many threads I've seen to mention, but don't worry ....when someone blows off their hands , just keep looking out that front window of your house for that mail man or deputy sherif to have you sign that certified notice from the lawyers office -
Boys, not to cross the line, but it is important to shoot your gun and know its pattern at point blank to 40 yds. I shoot mine to 60, WHY? not that I plan on shooting one at that distance, but it happens if you hunt gobblers long enough, misjudging distance is a easy thing to do..and most of us will do it. With my M1 which I just shot at 40 yards with a RR .650, Win LBs, no 6 will consistently put 160 plus pellets in a 10 inch circle,,,and stones them...at 60 yds it will put 70 to 80 in a 10 inch circle....
But last spring I shot a Merriam that came in like a Kamikaze, at a dead run from a long way off,,,he crossed the a large flat I was on and only stopped to gobble,,and each time he was behind a tree!! I finally pulled the trigger just as he was about to go over the edge of the flat and out of sight...and stoned him! I about had the big one as I went to him and realized he was well beyond 40 yds,,I had no intention of shooting past 40 but had in the excitement of having him pass so close so fast I had..so my feelings are that it doesn't hurt to know your gun and ammo..I hope never to shot at that range again!
Quote from: longbeards on April 05, 2015, 08:35:53 AM
Boys, not to cross the line, but it is important to shoot your gun and know its pattern at point blank to 40 yds. I shoot mine to 60, WHY? not that I plan on shooting one at that distance, but it happens if you hunt gobblers long enough, misjudging distance is a easy thing to do..and most of us will do it. With my M1 which I just shot at 40 yards with a RR .650, Win LBs, no 6 will consistently put 160 plus pellets in a 10 inch circle,,,and stones them...at 60 yds it will put 70 to 80 in a 10 inch circle....
But last spring I shot a Merriam that came in like a Kamikaze, at a dead run from a long way off,,,he crossed the a large flat I was on and only stopped to gobble,,and each time he was behind a tree!! I finally pulled the trigger just as he was about to go over the edge of the flat and out of sight...and stoned him! I about had the big one as I went to him and realized he was well beyond 40 yds,,I had no intention of shooting past 40 but had in the excitement of having him pass so close so fast I had..so my feelings are that it doesn't hurt to know your gun and ammo..I hope never to shot at that range again!
You just opened another can of worms brother! I'm with ya on that! Couldn't of said it better myself! Hey I see this thread going another 10 pages now! Just because we "speak" of it doesn't mean we are going to do it every time, done, or going to do it! But people automatically assume we are in ethical hunters! You know what assume stands for right? ;)
I shoot my gun however far I want and will hunt the way I want ....but in all seriousness if you guys have guns that wont kill at 41 yds and up I would try a browning maxus it will
:Popcorn! Oooowwwweeeee this is getting good!
Like I've said .....people who willingly shoot at gobblers well past 40 yards , will get burned one day , perhaps repeatedly burned until they learn the valuable lesson of learning how to turkey hunt properly -
Yes there is some folks working really hard into turning turkey hunting into a pot shooting experience , some would be best suited getting a .22 mag and get it over with , they seem just desperate to kill a gobbler , more like fixated on peer approval - perhaps turkey hunting isn't right for them - the kill becomes so anticlimactic when you partake in these activities , perhaps they should do all their hunting in the grocery store - willingly shooting at a gobbler at those kind of yard ages is not turkey hunting , and the folks promoting it ( in the real world ) are shunned in turkey hunting circles -
Any person who walked into my camp holding a jake and bragged he shot it at 83 yards , would be immediately escorted off the property - people like this are a danger to the sport , and if left unchecked will undermine the sport until there is nothing left
All to often in these days of instant gratification , young folks look for shortcuts on everything , they want instant this , and right away that , they don't want to wait for it , they want it now - turkey hunting doesn't work like that
the gobbler , he makes all the rules .....
I've hunted in leases all over MS, AL, MO, KY, IN, IA, IL, and TN and shooting long range or anything else unethical is not tolerated. Ive guided in a number of these states and outfitters don't put up with it. You shoot too soon and cripple a bird and your done and not allowed to come back. People are shown the gate. Hunting camps and leases that I have hunted would absolutely flip out if someone was shooting 70-100 yds with a shotgun. Not sure where these folks hunt but more and more leased ground and hunting camps are selective about who they let in. To get into our lease you have to be recommended by a longstanding member, fill out an application with references from where you have been hunting the last 3-5 years and hunt on probation for the first two years. People who hunt unethically will ultimately shoot themselves in the foot in any type of organized quality place to hunt. They will be left to hunt public ground and places with other people who hunt unethically. I rarely see landowners who want to allow people on their land doing unethical things and normally they are stewards of the land they own. I'm just glad that I hunt in places where if someone stepped across the line in terms of ethics they are gone. People can hunt however they want but you can believe the majority of quality lands around the country..will not tolerate selfish, unethical hunting practices. They will be in the road.
*By the way..I've heard allot of talk about the Drury brothers on this website and I can tell you that turkey hunting is not something they get all excited about. They are hunting and harvesting Boone and Crocket deer. I've hunted all around their land in MO and IA. They do it to fill time on their shows and promoted Win LB shells for sponsorship. There are allot of good turkey hunters out there doing the right thing, Michael Waddell, Matt Morret, Chris Parrish, Stevie Stolts, Jimmy Riley, Preston Pittman, and the list goes on but I would be careful who you are listening too on these hunting shows. The final footage you see is not always exactly what happened. They film allot of what happens during the hunt after the turkey/deer is dead. Don't believe everything you see and hear.
I hope you are not suggesting that public ground is for unethical hunters. Public ground has a great many very ethical hunters along with some idiots. But you get them whether on public or private.
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on April 05, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
I hope you are not suggesting that public ground is for unethical hunters. Public ground has a great many very ethical hunters along with some idiots. But you get them whether on public or private.
Public land has some of the best hunters in the country and I hunt in Mark Twain National Forest quite a bit myself. The point is you get to hunt with allot of these hunters that get kicked out of hunting camps, leases, etc. They also hunt there because there are basically no rules accept for the age of the turkey and hunting in the right areas during the correct dates and times. They can walk all over other hunters without any consequence, shoot at any distance without being questioned and operate without allot of the rules that go along with quality managed private lands. For instance, if someone was hunting at our camp and parked their truck at a road and another hunter decided they were just gonna park at their truck and walk in behind them because they had scouted that spot. That man would never hunt at our camp again. That happens all the time on public land and hunters have no recourse. Sorry, but the ethical hunters hunting on public land have to deal with some of the most unethical hunters in the country.
Hunting on public land I have had a hunter sneak in between the turkey and myself while I was calling and shoot the turkey within 50 yds of me and then thanked me for calling up the turkey. Dangerous as hell and the guy acted like there was nothing wrong. I've also been sitting at the base of a tree with a gobbler gobblin 75-80 yds away and had someone slip up and shoot the turkey out of the tree in the dark. That would never happen on our private leases.
*i don't even want to begin talking about the ridiculous things that have happened duck hunting on public land. Could write a comedy novel. :z-dizzy:
I have said time and time again, you have turkey hunters and people shooting at turkeys that know NOTHING of the sport of turkey hunting