hey guys new to the forum! i sighted in my turkey gun today using an old mossberg 500 and a carlsons dead coyote choke. i got one of the hunters specialties targets with the turkey head on it.
roughly how many pellets should be on the paper at 40 yards using 1 7/8 oz number 5 shot 3 inch remington nitro load?.
thanks guys!
As many as you can get.....just kidding :welcomeOG:
you need to start with a large piece of paper say 3' X 3' and find out where your most of your shot is going. get you sights centered in the best part of the pattern. and then like wolfdog said "as many as you can get" :anim_25: and :welcomeOG:
thanks guys im 90 pellets in a 8 by 11 inch piece of paper! at 40 yards
Quote from: bowhunter84 on March 24, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
you need to start with a large piece of paper say 3' X 3' and find out where your most of your shot is going. get you sights centered in the best part of the pattern. and then like wolfdog said "as many as you can get" :anim_25: and :welcomeOG:
:agreed:
That sounds like it will kill a dirty bird. Welcome to Old Gobbler also.
:welcomeOG: :wav:
:thanks:
you guys are way too kind!
thanks and god bless!
We try to get at least 100 holes in a 10" ring (78.5 sq. inches)or 1.27 holes per sq. inch.
8 by 11" paper = 88 sq. inches with 90 holes is a little light but will do the job if it is a even pat. good luck and :welcomeOG:, Marty
ok i 2 test pictures from earlier, i used the hunters specialties turkey head targets! one was at 20 yards and the other at 40 yards. Im using my mossberg 500 with a carlsons dead coyote choke...remington nitro turkey loads 3 inch number 5's. i aimed a lil too low on the 20 yard shot so my pattern was a bit below and on the neck, i counted 114 total on paper and 21 pellets in the turkey its self, but the butcher paper i had it on had more pellets below the target you cant see. the 40 yard one was 75 hits and 13 or 14 in the turkey!. i know i can always experiment with different loads and such and most people get better results but is this effective for harvesting turkey out to 40 yards!
first pic at 20
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second pic at 40
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its hard to see most pellets
I have no experience with that choke and don't know the specs on it. I'd suggest you go down to 6s with the Winchester extended range or try some hevi-shot 6s or 7s. This should make your pattern much better. Do a search, the mossbergs seem to pattern very good with the correct combo.
Good luck and keep us posted
:welcomeOG: YOu have done the right thing and shot your gun to see what you have.. Will your pattern kill a turkey, Obviously you have shot in the vital areas.. Is it something to trust 100 percent of the time, its borderline..
Your Carlsons Choke has an exit diameter of 675 which is on the very open spectrum of turkey chokes... Lead shot is highly qualified to produce 100 percent killing patterns at 40 yards, but I would suggest a touch tighter choke if you are going to stay with the Nitros or move to another lead turkey load..
An in expensive choke with an exit diameter of 670-665 should serve to tighten your pattern a touch with your chosen load or if you decide you may want to try some 6s of the Winchester variety..
I have had killing patterns with a factory supplied Mossy Turkey Ported choke with an exit of 670 with a variety of Winchester 6 loads..
thanks guys!
if i cant switch chokes will the number 6 shot pattern better or should i say have more pellets to add for a low tighted choke error!.
i believe shayne at carlsons said its a .660 but he also stated its not meant for a tight looped turkey shot.
Everything I have seen says its 675 and with T Shot Ded Coyote recommended I believe 660 would be way to tight..
Even at 675 I believe the Win Supreme 2oz 6s would give you better patterns as would the 1 7/6 grey box 6s
i tried the winchester high velocity ammo, 3 in no 6's! patterned worse than the no 5's! i had 22 hits at 40 yards in an 11 in circle!
i called carlsons and they said i may have to send it to them for them to look at! i asked them again what the mossberg dead coyote choke size is and they said .660! all in all my patterns spread ver badly before 30 yards! i may need an even tighter choke then eh?
i think i need more tight of a pattern! the turkey load seems to loose its core energy beyong 30 yards, the winchester high velocity forget about it the number 6's had 22 hits on and 11 in piece of paper!
here is my no 4 buckshot pattern from a few weeks ago! am i too tight or too loose?
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then some turkey pics, notice the spread!
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shane at carlsons assured me a few different times that my dimension of the tube was .660.
the turkey was with nitro no 5's 3 in!
i tried no 6 high velocity by winchester 3 inch load and got only 22 hits at 40 yards!
The best thing for you to do is pay attention to the guy's here most of us have spent alot of time an money trying to get the best pattern we can. just pay attention to us an read the gun forum an you will save alot of money an time. Theres a lot of mossy shooters on here an none of them will tell you wrong. All everybody wants to do here is help each other out, I know from experience....
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okay went and got a 4 foot by 4 foot piece of wrapping paper, drew a small black circle in the middle of it for something to aim at and fire, pattern was low but not tight! very very spread. there was even a gap between the pellets! this was at 40 yards using the carlsons choke, no 6's Winchester supreme 3 inch. what do you guys think! i couldnt even find a pattern without any gaps or enough pellets to draw a 10 in circle. note this is a 4x4 piece of paper!
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and again without the fiber optic sights using winchester high velocity no 6's! only 55 hits in my densist pattern
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your best bet is to buy a more constricted choke
you think the choke isnt tight enough! carlsons told me on the phone that the mossberg dc choke was 660
I would buy a new choke before you`re out of ammo! :anim_25:
the thing is i cant buy one if i dont know if im
A: too tight of constriction forcing bad patterns
B: not tight enough
c: if i have a 660 choke already what the heck size do i get to tighten the pattern? :help:
heres with 4 buckshot by remington 3 inch magnums
4ft by 4ft wrapping paper! 3 inch circle for poa! 43 yards
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All chokes are not the same. The gun will wake up with a good choke. Now the 660 I would not shoot buckshoot out of. Just pick you a SumToy, Indian Creek or Prue Gold. The Kicks will do good in some guns. :anim_25:
the choke i have which is dead coyote 660
is what they recomended to me at carlsons to shoot the buckshot out of....they even sdaid i should be able to shoot a good turkey load out of it! not yet!
Just because its a .660 diameter doesnt mean another brand choke of .660 will be the same. I'm shooting a Mossy 535 and tried the stock xxx choke, jellyhead, undertaker, and finally settled with an indian creek .660 choke. Even though all these chokes are similar in diameter, they all produced different patterns and shot count! And they all shot differently with different ammo! With the different combos my shot count ranged from low 110's to low 200's. My best combination ended up being the Indian Creek 660 with 3.5" mag blends which is consistently putting up 200-205 in the 10" at 40, and about 350 in the 20" at 40 with a very even pattern throughout.
I am no expert on the mossys but you are the first person i have ever heard of that is using that choke for turkey hunting...some others might but i imagine it is pretty rare.
I would definitely look into another choke or better ammo like the Xtended range or Hevi shot....
I know a lot of dudes who love the kicks out of their mossys and a bunch more that swear by the truglo ssx.
imo better ammo may not even improve that by much.