3rd degree has been on shelves for a month and I haven't seen a single pattern posted on any forums. This time last year there were hundreds of threads on different forums about Longbeards. I've heard a little about 3rd degree... Everyone says they don't shoot good, no patterns posted though.
I haven't seen even one pattern from them posted anywhere yet.
Lol !!!! Federal needs to ditch that pain in the butt flight control wad if they EVER want to have a chance against the longbeards!!! Their r & d department obviously needs a MAJOR overhaul!!!
haven't heard much good
Junk !
I tried 2 of these shells one in my patternmaster code black .665 and one in a non ported .670 Mossberg choke they were pitiful I threw the boards away with the pm I got 65 pellets in the 10'' and with the .670 I got 80 i think they could be a great shell if they would quit using that flight control wad both shells were shot in a 535 with a 28'' barrel that was clean
Quote from: hs strut on March 08, 2015, 12:51:27 PM
I tried 2 of these shells one in my patternmaster code black .665 and one in a non ported .670 Mossberg choke they were pitiful I threw the boards away with the pm I got 65 pellets in the 10'' and with the .670 I got 80 i think they could be a great shell if they would quit using that flight control wad both shells were shot in a 535 with a 28'' barrel that was clean
I can get over 100 with a dirty gun using the federal turkey thugs..
Where does R&D get the idea that anyone will buy this stuff??? Why would I spend twice as much for less results. It sounds like Federal needs to get the marketing department to do an extensive market research survey to get back on track with the interests of hunters.
I had a guy at Bass pro ask me about them today. He said they were supposed to be great. I politely directed him over to the LBs and Fed HWs and told him there was just to many good results with these two to be trying new crap. I believe he was gonna buy the 3rds before I swayed him.
Federal is Asleep at the Wheel!!! :morning:
Quote from: born2hunt on March 09, 2015, 09:40:11 PM
I had a guy at Bass pro ask me about them today. He said they were supposed to be great. I politely directed him over to the LBs and Fed HWs and told him there was just to many good results with these two to be trying new crap. I believe he was gonna buy the 3rds before I swayed him.
You did that guy a BIG favor!!!
Is the 3rd Degree along the same lines as the Spectra White Lightening?
^ worse imo. probably along the lines of the hornady shells
A friend of mine bight some and I asked him if he would send me a pattern pic when he shot the. Well he did. This was a 26"870 I can't remember what choke. This was at 40 yards. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/eab4881cf724a2c8ce29d4da825bd4f0.jpg)
For comparison this was 3"# 5 longbeards at 40. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/43502b9fc85fd0425ff3de3b7146c88a.jpg)
:character0029:IMO.... Federal needs to up the 3 1/2" payload on th HW to 2 oz. and 1 7/8ox. on the 3" and possibly try them WITHOUT the flite control wad.
I never have had any issue with the FC wad, shoot it from an unported tube as it was intended to be and they work just fine, even work in some ported tubes as my buddy runs them through a XXX Comp-n-Choke with better patterns than #4's should shoot.
All of these ported tubes are a gimmick in my mind anyway, never have noticed a single bit of recoil reduction from one and I have shot a bunch of them over the years.
Well all I can say is I bought some three inch and slammed a turkey at 43 steps.
:drool:
Quote from: Tomcat655 on April 16, 2015, 07:40:55 PM
Well all I can say is I bought some three inch and slammed a turkey at 43 steps.
So what was your pattern like? Or did you just buy a shell and go hunting?
I listen to their advertising and basically what they're saying is that close to 1/3 of the payload is designed to spread out at close range...The balance (magically) is supposed to take care of long range (long range as we know it). So at 40 yds., take out 30% of the pellets or there abouts...Why? What sense does that make? A child could sort that one out fairly quickly given a minimum of information about payload/ballistics...
The pattern was good but I shot it out of full choke 30 in barrel . When mossberg was revelation . Those long barrel shotguns hold it true no matter what but he had a whop where 4 or 5 pellets bunches up and slammed him . I'll shoot it again
I think the 3rd degree is more for the birds that show up at 10 yards ,I have had good luck with the flight control wad in all other loads and killed a ton of birds with them ,,I am still a long beard guy and am just waiting for them to come out with a 20g load ,,lets hope ,,Dutch
Ihavent seen a a pattern but a buddy o9f mine killed two with me one at 42 yards the other 20 and both turkeys heads were tore up he was using win1300 dont know what choke tho
The shell patterned poorly in all of my guns except my old wingmaster with a 30" fixed full. 7 pellets in the kill zone at one of their given distances. Surprised me. They only other shell to do that well in that gun was the LB #4. At 40 yards I would imagine that I would have around almost double in the kill zone (spinal cord and brain). That wad just keeps me on edge in general though. Sometimes it throws true even patterns another it may be spotty with clusters. Haven't shot enough out of the Wingmaster though to make that assumption for it. In my 870 3 1/2 with all chokes and the 10 it has been decently high numbers but erratic patterns. I am wondering if the Wingmaster will be more consistent in the fixed barrel. Well, sounds like I will just have to go find out :z-guntootsmiley:
Quote from: madstrutter on March 07, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
3rd degree has been on shelves for a month and I haven't seen a single pattern posted on any forums. This time last year there were hundreds of threads on different forums about Longbeards. I've heard a little about 3rd degree... Everyone says they don't shoot good, no patterns posted though.
They don't so too bad out of my beretta with a. Carlsons longbeard choke. The longbeards have better 40 yard patterns but I elected to load a 3rd degree in the chamber ans back it up with 2 longbeard sixes.
In my 535 I've been running a 3.5" HV 4 in the chamber and backing it up with longbeard 5's.
The third degree is definitely not a numbers shell but I feel completely confident with this shell out to 40. If I didn't I would load up with hevi 13, longbeards or thugs I have em all. I've only packed the Beretta twice this year but did manage to get a shot at a 2 year old bird. He was delicious.
I shot a turkey last Tuesday morning with a 3 1/2 3rd degree at 50 yds and watch him fly off . I'm not completely certain it was me or the shell but I was confident enough to pull the trigger and watch him flop so needless to say I'm not getting anymore.
It was you...taking a shot you probably shouldn't have. :TrainWreck1:
Quote from: Tomcat655 on April 27, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
I shot a turkey last Tuesday morning with a 3 1/2 3rd degree at 50 yds and watch him fly off . I'm not completely certain it was me or the shell but I was confident enough to pull the trigger and watch him flop so needless to say I'm not getting anymore.
Quote from: Tomcat655 on April 27, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
I shot a turkey last Tuesday morning with a 3 1/2 3rd degree at 50 yds and watch him fly off . I'm not completely certain it was me or the shell but I was confident enough to pull the trigger and watch him flop so needless to say I'm not getting anymore.
Your pattern will tell you if it was you or the shell. You need to know what your gun/shell combo will do at any range that you think you will shoot. The HWT #7's in that shell have plenty enough knockdown at that range and cp lead #5's in it do as well. The 6's, maybe not. Question is, is the pattern there? If it is, then it was you. If not, then you may need another shell, depending on if you will ever shoot that far again. If bad pattern is the case, I personally would find a shell that puts a good pattern out that far just for the sake of misjudging distances.
Quote from: Onpoint on April 22, 2015, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: madstrutter on March 07, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
3rd degree has been on shelves for a month and I haven't seen a single pattern posted on any forums. This time last year there were hundreds of threads on different forums about Longbeards. I've heard a little about 3rd degree... Everyone says they don't shoot good, no patterns posted though.
They don't so too bad out of my beretta with a. Carlsons longbeard choke. The longbeards have better 40 yard patterns but I elected to load a 3rd degree in the chamber ans back it up with 2 longbeard sixes.
In my 535 I've been running a 3.5" HV 4 in the chamber and backing it up with longbeard 5's.
The third degree is definitely not a numbers shell but I feel completely confident with this shell out to 40. If I didn't I would load up with hevi 13, longbeards or thugs I have em all. I've only packed the Beretta twice this year but did manage to get a shot at a 2 year old bird. He was delicious.
My jebs choke arrived this weekend and it puts 120-130 in the 10 with 3" 3rd degree
Is this jebs choke ported?
Quote from: Onpoint on April 28, 2015, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: VAarrowslinger on April 28, 2015, 01:41:00 PM
Is this jebs choke ported?
Yes it is.
I love the 3rd degree shells. Plenty good enough to kill at 40 and very forgiving at 20
Quote from: Onpoint on April 28, 2015, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: Onpoint on April 28, 2015, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: VAarrowslinger on April 28, 2015, 01:41:00 PM
Is this jebs choke ported?
Yes it is.
I love the 3rd degree shells. Plenty good enough to kill at 40 and very forgiving at 20
Do you by chance have a pic of the pattern, just curious as to what they look like.
My cousin has shot 4 turkeys this year with the 3rd Degree shells...said they were all 25-40 yards and since turkey killing is really the important thing, I guess they pass the basic test. He was shooting them through a Benelli Factory Full choke...obviously from what has been posted they don't pattern "great" but apparently they will kill turkeys at normal ranges
Quote from: trkehunr93 on May 01, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: Onpoint on April 28, 2015, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: Onpoint on April 28, 2015, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: VAarrowslinger on April 28, 2015, 01:41:00 PM
Is this jebs choke ported?
Yes it is.
I love the 3rd degree shells. Plenty good enough to kill at 40 and very forgiving at 20
Do you by chance have a pic of the pattern, just curious as to what they look like.
I will dig through what patterns I have left to see if I can find them.
Quote from: learn2hide on May 02, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
obviously from what has been posted they don't pattern "great" but apparently they will kill turkeys at normal ranges
That is all you need a shotshell to do! Amen.
Quick, somebody jump over into the general forum and tell The Executioner that the 3rd degree shells are no good....
HeHeHe
Being a Conservative doesn't make me a Republican...
My jebs choke arrived this weekend and it puts 120-130 in the 10 with 3" 3rd degree
[/quote]. Forgiving up close and 120-130. Ain't nothing wrong with that right there.
im not gonna lie....I wasn't a believer about the longbeards until I tried them this year. they shoot better from my 870 than my nitros ...not to mention they are 20 bucks!!!!I shot federal heavy weight mag #5s 3 years ago.....they patterned worst than Remington nitro turkeys or double x.
Not surprised the HW5s patterned poorly - not many pellets in that load. There is no reason to shoot pellets larger than 7s in HWs unless it's some state's misguided law regarding pellet size. The 7s have more pellet energy than you will ever need.
Quote from: BandedSpur on July 17, 2015, 07:36:56 AM
Not surprised the HW5s patterned poorly - not many pellets in that load. There is no reason to shoot pellets larger than 7s in HWs unless it's some state's misguided law regarding pellet size. The 7s have more pellet energy than you will ever need.
and that's the truth....they just don't have enough pellets
Shot some out of my Remington this afternoon...it was ok but the 3" magblends did just as well.
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Quote from: drum817 on March 07, 2015, 08:58:31 PM
Lol !!!! Federal needs to ditch that pain in the butt flight control wad if they EVER want to have a chance against the longbeards!!! Their r & d department obviously needs a MAJOR overhaul!!!
the flight control has too many restrictions...no ports no this no that...I like versatility
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