Hello everyone on OldGobbler. This is my first post and i'm looking for some opinions. I am trying to get more into turkey hunting and no longer want to have to borrow a friends equipment every year when season rolls around.
I have been searching and searching for a new 12ga shotgun but I am wondering if i should save my money. I own a Charles Daly Field 20ga that chambers up to a 3" shell.Its barrel length is 21" and It has a Charles Daly modified choke in it that i am willing to buy a new, better turkey choke for if i can find one that will fit it. I have read a lot of people on here love to hunt with 20gauge but what will the disadvantages/advantages be. I have attached a pic of my Charles Daly for reference.
Do you guys think that this gun will suit my needs or will i continue to thrive for a new 12ga until i buy one? If i end up buying a new gun it will more than likely be a Remi 870 with 24-26" barrel, preferably super mag that shoots 3 1/2" shells.
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There's never anything wrong with buying a new gun lol. Just do it. You're cd should interchange with remingtin threads, so a choke should be no issue to find. After carrying a 20 gauge this past season for the first time I don't know if I will ever carry anything else. They are a joy to carry, shoot, and handle. Like everyone else on here taught me, you got to try some federal hw 7 They are mean and they throw amazing patterns. Hevi-13 #7s also handle well to. Find the right choke and you got a little head buster for sure. Then get a 12 and have both haha. God bless brother
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First of all, welcome to OG. This is a great place and we're glad you're here.
There is nothing wrong with a 20 gauge gun. Most will do anything that is necessary to cleanly kill a turkey at all reasonable ranges.
You do have a "challenge" however with that very short 21" barrel. I am an avid 20 gauge shooter as is my wife, Doris, and we have used those guns to win championships, set world records in still target shooting and kill many turkeys in the fields.
We have found that a 26" barrel is just about perfect for all of those events and that anything shorter can be very difficult to work with to get good patterns.
You also face the real challenge of the CD brand with has been discontinued due to bankruptcy of the company and few if any parts are available for any of their guns. No one has been willing to step up and supply parts for those guns and they are really dwindling quickly.
Frankly, I'd attempt to trade that gun for some other gun that has support and parts available. A Remington or Mossberg would be my first choices. They are almost infinitely customizable and have many chokes available for them.
A 20 gauge or 12 gauge will certainly work and either with a 3" chamber is all that you'll ever need.
Thanks,
Clark
^^ just listin to mr. Clark He knows his stuff But I still say buy both to have fun. Good lick
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I think turkeykiller12 has that exact gun. PM him and I am sure he will give you some tips. Set up correctly that gun will kill just fine. If you want a 12 then great but it is not needed. I prefer to do most of my hunting with a 12 but tote a 20 here and there and have been successful with it. Good luck!
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I just want to start off by saying, THANK YOU for the warm welcome to your forum. I can tell OG is going to be a place i spend many hours talking and researching. I believe the decision has been made that a new 12gauge is in my future. This old Charles Daly can spend the rest of its life on the rack as a "back-up" if needed. I hate to hear that CD is no longer in business as it seems to be a very nice and well made gun in my opinion. A family member bought this gun for me a few years ago and i cannot let it go... So i guess that just means i will have a 20 and a 12 gauge :happy0064:
Since i did not buy the CD and they are now out of business i assume this will hurt the value of the gun. Does anyone know an estimate of what it may be worth? It is in "good" condition in my opinion with a few scratches here and there. Functions great and cleaned regularly after shooting.
Not for selling purposes just for knowledge. I will happily keep this gun many more years.
Quote from: laker on November 17, 2014, 08:35:09 AM
Since i did not buy the CD and they are now out of business i assume this will hurt the value of the gun. Does anyone know an estimate of what it may be worth? It is in "good" condition in my opinion with a few scratches here and there. Functions great and cleaned regularly after shooting.
Not for selling purposes just for knowledge. I will happily keep this gun many more years.
It is a budget Remington. The CD's are a very good gun. They are British. If you were trying to sell it to me I would offer you 225-250 as a fair used price for the pump version. They usually do very well with the same combos that the 20 ga 870s do well with. The 21" barrels in the Remingtons and CDs seem to be easier to get a good choke/load combination out of than the longer barrels, even though that does not makes sense.
Well i figured i should update this thread and let everyone know what i have gotten. I went Black Friday shopping this morning and purchased a new Remington 870 Express Super Mag. It has the 26" barrel and is hardwoods camo. I plan on making this gun a dedicated turkey slayer. First on the list is going to be a quality choke after i research what brand and constriction will fit my needs best. Later on i will upgrade the sights, but will use the bead until then. Here are some pics...
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac55/garrett60/29097a04-4674-4bca-90cd-94bbc22c0769.jpg) (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/garrett60/media/29097a04-4674-4bca-90cd-94bbc22c0769.jpg.html)
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac55/garrett60/52587FB3-0A6F-4562-8477-6EF2FC6FBD6F.jpg) (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/garrett60/media/52587FB3-0A6F-4562-8477-6EF2FC6FBD6F.jpg.html)
A very nice gun and good choice. Congratulations.
Thanks,
Clark
Very nice. Good luck with the new gun. Congrats.
Thank you all very much!
I plan on trying it out with a Kicks Gobblin' Thunder Choke in .660 constriction and outfitting it with a TruGlo Pro Series Magnum Gobble Dot Sight. I am going to start off by patterning the Longbeard shells in a #6 shot. From what i have read i believe this setup should give me what i am looking for.
Congrats on a great new gun! Good luck!!
You will love it. Very dependable and reliable shotgun for the money.
Quote from: laker on November 29, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
Thank you all very much!
I plan on trying it out with a Kicks Gobblin' Thunder Choke in .660 constriction and outfitting it with a TruGlo Pro Series Magnum Gobble Dot Sight. I am going to start off by patterning the Longbeard shells in a #6 shot. From what i have read i believe this setup should give me what i am looking for.
Let us know how it works out. That sounds like a great combo to start out with.
:icon_thumright: :welcomeOG:
She will be a killer!
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Nice gun! That gun and set up you mentioned, you should be crushing heads this spring!
Nice gun. One of my favorites. I think you will be happy with that decision for a long time.
The longbeards I am still a bit iffy on, simply because I think a 65 yard shot is too much for turkeys. Honestly I have never pulled the trigger on anything over 45 yards. I just don't feel comfortable taking a 65 yard shot like the longboard's claim they can make.
65 yards shooting skeet/trap and 65 yards sitting on the ground with the gun on your knee is a huge huge difference!
Good Luck and welcome!!!!
:welcomeOG:
Nice choice! You can still use that Charles Daly for some squirrel or dove. Or make it you home defense gun since it has that short barrel.
Thanks everyone! Although i have not shot it yet I believe i made the right choice with this gun.
Although the longbeards may state they are deadly up to 60+ yards i do not see myself brave enough to try them out that far. Since i am so new to turkey hunting i believe i would still be nervous shooting a big Tom out at 45! I'm mainly going to start with the longbeards because i hear a lot of good things about them and hear consistent patterns. Plus the main reason for setting out all day hunting isn't too see how far my gun will shoot, its about the experience and calling a big gobbler up.
My girlfriend acctually mentioned that she would like to go squirrell hunting just the other day, so the CD may have a trip to the woods in its near future :icon_thumright:
good luck with the new turkey gun
Quote from: laker on December 01, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Thanks everyone! Although i have not shot it yet I believe i made the right choice with this gun.
Although the longbeards may state they are deadly up to 60+ yards i do not see myself brave enough to try them out that far. Since i am so new to turkey hunting i believe i would still be nervous shooting a big Tom out at 45! I'm mainly going to start with the longbeards because i hear a lot of good things about them and hear consistent patterns. Plus the main reason for setting out all day hunting isn't too see how far my gun will shoot, its about the experience and calling a big gobbler up.
My girlfriend acctually mentioned that she would like to go squirrell hunting just the other day, so the CD may have a trip to the woods in its near future :icon_thumright:
I'd encourage you to thoroughly clean the bore of that new 870. Even new barrels should be "deep cleaned" prior to taking them to the range. It will pay big dividends and it also allows you to really see the quality of the bore.
Part of my evaluation of the 33 configurations of chokes with Long Beard shells includes a 26" Remington barrel and the choke you're considering. You may find that study of interest when it's completed.
Again, great choice.
Thanks,
Clark
Clark,
Just a few quick questions since i am interested in deep cleaning my barrel.
It is quite cold here right now so i am planning on waiting to pattern my shotgun closer to our spring turkey season. Would you recommend waiting to deep clean it then or getting it out of the way now? If i choose to do it now, what would you recommend for protective lubricant? Lastly, should i clean the barrel again immediately after patterning or just wait till season and clean it then to be ready?
Thanks for all of your help.
-Garrett
Quote from: laker on December 03, 2014, 11:01:32 PM
Clark,
Just a few quick questions since i am interested in deep cleaning my barrel.
It is quite cold here right now so i am planning on waiting to pattern my shotgun closer to our spring turkey season. Would you recommend waiting to deep clean it then or getting it out of the way now? If i choose to do it now, what would you recommend for protective lubricant? Lastly, should i clean the barrel again immediately after patterning or just wait till season and clean it then to be ready?
Thanks for all of your help.
-Garrett
Hey Garrett,
I would "deep clean" it now. That way you can get a good look at the bore. Any gun oil, Rem-Oil, etc. will work to protect the bore. I use a "Remington Mini-dehumidifier Model 365", it rechargeable and lasts for years and I also use "Zerust Vapor Capsule Model VC2-1", a few, in my gun storage areas. I think that vapor technology is especially effective. I've used that combination for years and never have a problem with rust.
I recommend starting a patterning session with a very clean barrel and then shoot it until the pattern degrades before cleaning. I don't clean between shots when I'm shooting a new gun. That's really the only way you can learn what your particular gun likes. Some like clean, some a little dirty and others just keep shooting the same or better for many rounds.
Once you'd done the deep cleaning, it will be much easier to keep it clean and just a dry brush through the bore may be all it needs.
It's all about getting to know your particular gun. I will do a routine cleaning if I plan to store a gun for a long time.
If I did not fully answer your questions, please let me know and I'll give it another shot.
Thanks,
Clark
Very nice choice. I hunted with an 870 SM for years but hated the headache it gave me when I shot it. If you were to tweak that Charles Daly out with a good choke and load. I promise, that 870 SM would never see the woods again. Below is why I ended up selling my SM.
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Great choice. That is the world's easiest 12 gauge platform to turn into a turkey gun. Everyone makes chokes for the 870. Parts galore to be found. I had one of those CD 20 gauges myself, and when I found out that they were out of business and that no parts were available, I traded it off REAL quick.
Quote from: laker on November 29, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
Thank you all very much!
I plan on trying it out with a Kicks Gobblin' Thunder Choke in .660 constriction and outfitting it with a TruGlo Pro Series Magnum Gobble Dot Sight. I am going to start off by patterning the Longbeard shells in a #6 shot. From what i have read i believe this setup should give me what i am looking for.
That should do it!
Just wanted to update this thread..
For Christmas I received a Hevi-Shot choke in .662 constriction, and a Claw brand sling. I also picked up a Tru-Glo Gobble Dot pro series sights for it. I already installed all my new goodies and can't wait to get out and pattern this baby. I also picked up some 3 1/2" Longbeards in 5 and 6 shot to see how they pattern, i will more than like pick up some Hevi-Shot in 5 and 6 to pattern as well. Always feel like it can't hurt to try new things!