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Turkey Guns & Shooting => Turkey Guns => Topic started by: decoykrvr on March 18, 2011, 11:43:17 AM

Title: Environ Metal 3" and 31/2" Lot Numbers
Post by: decoykrvr on March 18, 2011, 11:43:17 AM
Is there a consensus on the Lot Numbers which delineate the "better patterning" #7 shot loads from the "new crop of crap".  I've got a feeling that even if EM knows internally that they've got a problem with the current production of shells loaded w/ 7's, they're not going to acknowledge
it due to the hit they took from the retailers and knowledgeable shooters on their last manufacturing fiasco after the "white shells".  A lot of the pre-gold hull shells are still on the shelves.  I dare say, they regard the majority of OG shooters as the minority "lunatic fringe" with limited impact on the overall market.  It's just a shame that a company which can do something so right, can turn around and do something so wrong.  
Title: Re: Environ Metal 3" and 31/2" Lot Numbers
Post by: S.C.C on March 19, 2011, 05:38:28 AM
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Title: Re: Environ Metal 3" and 31/2" Lot Numbers
Post by: decoykrvr on March 23, 2011, 11:10:03 AM
Well,  I finally got through to an individual at EnvironMetal that I have talked w/ for several years.  On the condition of anonymity and "off the record", I gleaned the following information from our conversation.  They wouldn't admit that the "new" 12 gauge shells have been changed component wise from those offered last year.  However, they did say that as a manufacturer they don't manufacture the components used in their shells and have no control over slight changes made by their suppliers, but that the shells made in 2011 are within the quality control and performance specifications which they have established for the Hevi-13 line of products.
It was pointed out that the vast majority of shooters are getting better results w/ their product than any other "factory" offering and are very satisfied w/ the performance.  All questions concerning the measured drop in performance relative to lot #'s were side-stepped w/ "We haven't seen any change."  As a small company I think that they are somewhat hamstrung by suppliers and are forced to make due w/ what they can get component wise.  In their defense,  Federal has dug themselves a ditch w/ the flitecontrol fiasco, has a lot more R&D and control over the manufacture of components, and still won't budge or admit their products faults
Title: Re: Environ Metal 3" and 31/2" Lot Numbers
Post by: archery1 on March 23, 2011, 11:12:28 AM
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Title: Re: Environ Metal 3" and 31/2" Lot Numbers
Post by: Mossy517 on March 23, 2011, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: decoykrvr on March 23, 2011, 11:10:03 AM
Well,  I finally got through to an individual at EnvironMetal that I have talked w/ for several years.  On the condition of anonymity and "off the record", I gleaned the following information from our conversation.  They wouldn't admit that the "new" 12 gauge shells have been changed component wise from those offered last year.  However, they did say that as a manufacturer they don't manufacture the components used in their shells and have no control over slight changes made by their suppliers, but that the shells made in 2011 are within the quality control and performance specifications which they have established for the Hevi-13 line of products.
It was pointed out that the vast majority of shooters are getting better results w/ their product than any other "factory" offering and are very satisfied w/ the performance.  All questions concerning the measured drop in performance relative to lot #'s were side-stepped w/ "We haven't seen any change."   

Maybe they are not shooting them... :lol:
Title: Re: Environ Metal 3" and 31/2" Lot Numbers
Post by: chipper on March 23, 2011, 08:59:33 PM
Pretty much what they told me too, I'm done with them. I will no longer support them for being dishonest.
Title: Re: Environ Metal 3" and 31/2" Lot Numbers
Post by: shootumindaface on March 23, 2011, 10:38:42 PM
Same song and dance I got years ago over the 20g shells.. They are a JOKE