Want to put some sort of sights/optics on my lil h&r pump. I have always been just a bead/fiber optics guy. But the thought of a red dot or scope is on my mind. I've looked at them several times at the local bass pro but I just get cold feet when I think of doing so. I just don't know. Those of you who use them, does it take long to get used to em? This gun is drilled and tapped so its no big deal to mount, but I just don't know what to do
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Get your self a fastfire 3, you'll wish you had done it sooner. It has a lifetime warranty, 10,000 hour battery life, parallax free from 10 to 150 yards, put you a modified choke in it and use 2 3/4" shells and you can hunt small game, dove, pheasant, quail, etc. You will get use to it quick, keep both eyes open and acquire your target quick. Water Proof. You can't find a better red dot at twice the cost.
I started with a cheap truglo just to see if I'd like it. Killed two birds with it that year and haven't looked back. Now I have the ffiii like a lot of other people on here. It's an excellent site just get the protector mount if you buy one. Red dot on the head = dead
I just decided to go with an Aimpoint 9000sc. Have shot it a few times to sight in and I really think it is what I was looking for.
Aimpoint IS A KICK BUT OF A SCOPE
BUT IT ALSO KICK'S BUT WITH YOUR WALLET :icon_thumright:
paid $389 to my door from optics planet. It looks like it is as tough as Chuck Liddell. I just didn't think an FF3 was durable enough for the way I hunt.
Not trying to make anyone mad but that aimpoint has a 10 year warranty which is probably not bad, but the fastfire 3 has a lifetime warranty, as long as you don't abuse it you are good to go, I don't see how much more durable you could want it. I had an Aimpoint before they had 50,000 hr battery life and a 10 year warranty, it only lasted me 3 to 4 years, and the dot went dim, called Aimpoint and they wanted me to send it in and pay them to fix it. Then he tried to sell me a new one, No way was I going to pay that kind of money again. I bought a Monarch 1x4x20 and it is on my 870 SM now, Lifetime warranty on it also. I bought a fastfire 3 for my SX3. It is worth every bit what I paid for my Aimpoint and you can't beat the warranty.
Put a Simmons Pro Diamond on my winnie 1300 yrs ago at least 15 yrs easy and its still going strong to this day. :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: deadbuck on June 08, 2014, 10:20:44 PM
paid $389 to my door from optics planet. It looks like it is as tough as Chuck Liddell. I just didn't think an FF3 was durable enough for the way I hunt.
That's a good buy! I'd pick that aimpoint over a ff3 any day of the week
Be sure to keep your original receipt for that 9000sc, if you don't you won't have a warranty or they will count it back to the date it was manufactured, I don't know which, read at the bottom of this page, http://www.opticsspot.com/aimpoint-9000-sc-2moa.aspx
I have two Aimpoint 9000SC's and love them. I also have a Burris FFIII and like that as well. I give the edge to the Aimpoints however. They can really take a beating not to mention 50,000hrs battery life..
Quote from: beagler on June 09, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
I have two Aimpoint 9000SC's and love them. I also have a Burris FFIII and like that as well. I give the edge to the Aimpoints however. They can really take a beating not to mention 50,000hrs battery life..
Exactly. I like my ff3 but its no aimpoint
beagler, just curious to know how much a replacement battery is for an Aimpoint. Also, did you add any kind of anti reflective device or is it necessary?
Quote from: deadbuck on June 09, 2014, 08:46:42 PM
beagler, just curious to know how much a replacement battery is for an Aimpoint. Also, did you add any kind of anti reflective device or is it necessary?
I'm not beagler but batteries are only 5-6$ and with a battery life of 50,000hrs you don't hafta worry about accidentally leaving your red dot on and it dying during a hunt. You can accidentally leave it on for over five years, LOL. I also wouldn't worry at all about an anti reflective device. It just isn't needed, IMO
Turn an aimpoint on and get in front of it, you will see a red glow. I had one for about 4 years and got tired of holding my hand in front of the scope when a turkey was coming in. I designed a flipper on the front lens that I could open with the thumb on my trigger hand. When the turkey was in range I would open the flipper and the turkey would stick his head straight up, then I would shoot. Before I put the flipper on or held my hand in front of the lens The turkeys would definitely react to the red glow. The Aimpoint crapped out and I put a monarch 1x4x20 on my gun and didn't have to fool with the turkeys being tipped off. I personally would not buy another aimpoint for turkey hunting, its not worth the trouble. I have also seen videos where a hunter would hold his hand in front of the aimpoint when a turkey was coming in.
LOL.. I've heard it all now
Appreciate the help y'all . I've actually been looking at the ff3 and the bush ell clone of it.
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If you want to laugh a little louder google " Does the Aimpoint exit lens glow red? " If you read enough of the threads you will see that one individual mentioned a flash kill for the front lens to reduce the glow. I went so far as to e-mail Aimpoint describing my problem with turkey hunting, using their scope, and asked them if they manufactured anything like it. Who knows maybe they have cured this problem, but if you own one turn it on and get in front of it, especially in low light. It's the only way you will know for sure.
When you say LOL.. I've heard it all now. I found it a little offensive, that was not very forum friendly. You can believe me or not that is up to you, If you don't believe me you could supply any information you might have to educate me to your way of thinking. But to infer I don't know what I am talking about or that I am lying, I think is going just a bit too far. Maybe I am just a little too sensitive, I hear getting old will do that to one.
this will be a little more helpful to you. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-484457.html
Also read the reply of Gunfighter 13 http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-8864.html
here is an aimpoint with the flash kill http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-comp-m4s-w-larue-tactical-qd-mount
Why so sensitive? LOL.. You must work for Burris.
It does NOT put off any more glare than any other red dot or scope out there and if one is close enough to see the glare he should be getting shot in the face. You can find all the bullcrap articles you want to from google but I guarantee you I can find just as many FF3 failures in the short amount of time they've been out
The fastfires are good sights, but are not in the same league as an aimpoint. That's not saying the ff isn't a good sight, they are, but the durability of an aimpoint is proven.
I've had about every red dot imaginable, but on my work guns, I had aimpoints. Having said that, I currently use a fastfire 3 on my turkey gun, but turkeys don't shoot back. :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: CrustyRusty on June 11, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
The fastfires are good sights, but are not in the same league as an aimpoint. That's not saying the ff isn't a good sight, they are, but the durability of an aimpoint is proven.
I've had about every red dot imaginable, but on my work guns, I had aimpoints. Having said that, I currently use a fastfire 3 on my turkey gun, but turkeys don't shoot back. :OGturkeyhead:
CrustyRusty, how bout all that glare them Aimpoints put off??
Those are not bullcrap articles, they are comments from people that own and use the Aimpoint. I had an aimpoint for a few years and it crapped out, I know what the glow in one is and the reaction of the turkeys. I know that aimpoint didn't take care of me even though their products were way overpriced and still are. I have a fastfire 3 now, I had issues with it when I first got it and burris took care of me in short order, unlike Aimpoint. If Aimpoint is so good why do they even now only have a 10 year warranty, Burris has a lifetime warranty on the fastfire 3. That should tell you something. No I don't work for burris, but I have used their product and I have used Aimpoints products and I fully recommend the burris Fastfire 3. The Aimpoint does put more glare than a fastfire 3, I have not even thought of trying to design a flipper to be able to turkey hunt with the fastfire 3. It is a shame that I had to design a flipper to use a brand new Aimpoint to turkey hunt with. A turkey can see the glow at 40 yards, that is my real life experience, unless you want to call me a liar again. If you would have looked at the 3rd link I gave you, It shows you that the front lens opening of the aimpoint shown is threaded for the flash kill, and the scope shown has the flash kill installed. Evidently Aimpoint has taken note of the glare and how far it can be seen. I can see right now that no matter what information I supply you with is going to made any difference in your attitude or beliefs, in my opinion you don't have an open mind about this issue. I was just trying to put out a real life issue that I had with the Aimpoint, to try to help people that purchase them, I didn't try to persuade them not to buy an Aimpoint. I don't see what your issue is with that to LOL. As I said I have used the fastfire 3 and the Aimpoint, In my opinion the Fastfire 3 is superior to the Aimpoint. I am allowed to have my opinion, am I not. Unless you have any more pertinent information on this subject other than to belittle me, I am finished with this subject. As far as sensitive about this subject, yes I am. I had to throw a expensive Aimpoint scope in the trash because Aimpoint had no warranty to speak of when I bought mine. That is the first thing I look at now before I buy a scope. If a manufacture doesn't believe in their products enough to put a lifetime warranty on it I look some where else, that is with scopes, guns, rangefinders, you name it. As far as this thread goes I will let the people that read it check out your information, and then check out my information, then they can decide for themselves if the aimpoint front lens glows.
Quote from: d.winsor on June 11, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
Those are not bullcrap articles, they are comments from people that own and use the Aimpoint. I had an aimpoint for a few years and it crapped out, I know what the glow in one is and the reaction of the turkeys. I know that aimpoint didn't take care of me even though their products were way overpriced and still are. I have a fastfire 3 now, I had issues with it when I first got it and burris took care of me in short order, unlike Aimpoint. If Aimpoint is so good why do they even now only have a 10 year warranty, Burris has a lifetime warranty on the fastfire 3. That should tell you something. No I don't work for burris, but I have used their product and I have used Aimpoints products and I fully recommend the burris Fastfire 3. The Aimpoint does put more glare than a fastfire 3, I have not even thought of trying to design a flipper to be able to turkey hunt with the fastfire 3. It is a shame that I had to design a flipper to use a brand new Aimpoint to turkey hunt with. A turkey can see the glow at 40 yards, that is my real life experience, unless you want to call me a liar again. If you would have looked at the 3rd link I gave you, It shows you that the front lens opening of the aimpoint shown is threaded for the flash kill, and the scope shown has the flash kill installed. Evidently Aimpoint has taken note of the glare and how far it can be seen. I can see right now that no matter what information I supply you with is going to made any difference in your attitude or beliefs, in my opinion you don't have an open mind about this issue. I was just trying to put out a real life issue that I had with the Aimpoint, to try to help people that purchase them, I didn't try to persuade them not to buy an Aimpoint. I don't see what your issue is with that to LOL. As I said I have used the fastfire 3 and the Aimpoint, In my opinion the Fastfire 3 is superior to the Aimpoint. I am allowed to have my opinion, am I not. Unless you have any more pertinent information on this subject other than to belittle me, I am finished with this subject. As far as sensitive about this subject, yes I am. I had to throw a expensive Aimpoint scope in the trash because Aimpoint had no warranty to speak of when I bought mine. That is the first thing I look at now before I buy a scope. If a manufacture doesn't believe in their products enough to put a lifetime warranty on it I look some where else, that is with scopes, guns, rangefinders, you name it. As far as this thread goes I will let the people that read it check out your information, and then check out my information, then they can decide for themselves if the aimpoint front lens glows.
Sniff.. Sniff..
D. Winsor, you need to chill out. Don't be so sensitive. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion, don't say that they are not open minded. Everyone has a opinion when it comes to shotguns, ammo, calls, etc. There is nothing wrong with being passionate, don't get angry. Once you understand that we may not agree on everything, you will be a much happier and less stressed person.
Quote from: Spurcollecta on June 11, 2014, 01:58:39 PM
Quote from: d.winsor on June 11, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
Those are not bullcrap articles, they are comments from people that own and use the Aimpoint. I had an aimpoint for a few years and it crapped out, I know what the glow in one is and the reaction of the turkeys. I know that aimpoint didn't take care of me even though their products were way overpriced and still are. I have a fastfire 3 now, I had issues with it when I first got it and burris took care of me in short order, unlike Aimpoint. If Aimpoint is so good why do they even now only have a 10 year warranty, Burris has a lifetime warranty on the fastfire 3. That should tell you something. No I don't work for burris, but I have used their product and I have used Aimpoints products and I fully recommend the burris Fastfire 3. The Aimpoint does put more glare than a fastfire 3, I have not even thought of trying to design a flipper to be able to turkey hunt with the fastfire 3. It is a shame that I had to design a flipper to use a brand new Aimpoint to turkey hunt with. A turkey can see the glow at 40 yards, that is my real life experience, unless you want to call me a liar again. If you would have looked at the 3rd link I gave you, It shows you that the front lens opening of the aimpoint shown is threaded for the flash kill, and the scope shown has the flash kill installed. Evidently Aimpoint has taken note of the glare and how far it can be seen. I can see right now that no matter what information I supply you with is going to made any difference in your attitude or beliefs, in my opinion you don't have an open mind about this issue. I was just trying to put out a real life issue that I had with the Aimpoint, to try to help people that purchase them, I didn't try to persuade them not to buy an Aimpoint. I don't see what your issue is with that to LOL. As I said I have used the fastfire 3 and the Aimpoint, In my opinion the Fastfire 3 is superior to the Aimpoint. I am allowed to have my opinion, am I not. Unless you have any more pertinent information on this subject other than to belittle me, I am finished with this subject. As far as sensitive about this subject, yes I am. I had to throw a expensive Aimpoint scope in the trash because Aimpoint had no warranty to speak of when I bought mine. That is the first thing I look at now before I buy a scope. If a manufacture doesn't believe in their products enough to put a lifetime warranty on it I look some where else, that is with scopes, guns, rangefinders, you name it. As far as this thread goes I will let the people that read it check out your information, and then check out my information, then they can decide for themselves if the aimpoint front lens glows.
Sniff.. Sniff..
Still trying to belittle me hu. I'm not getting into a pi$$ing contest with you, all you do is belittle and give general statements as your case. You have no case. I have given you real life instances of use with the aimpoint, and 2 individual statements related in 2 links, I could have found more but thought that was enough. Also a link to an Aimpoint add from a company, directly related to the Glow of the front lens of an aimpoint, as put out by the manufacturer. If that is not enough to at least cause you to think that there might be another side to your beliefs, then there is no more I can do. When the manufacturer sees fit to design the use of the flash kill on their scopes it should tell you something. In any event I hope you and Aimpoint have a good relationship.
Quote from: Uvagobbler on June 11, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
D. Winsor, you need to chill out. Don't be so sensitive. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion, don't say that they are not open minded. Everyone has a opinion when it comes to shotguns, ammo, calls, etc. There is nothing wrong with being passionate, don't get angry. Once you understand that we may not agree on everything, you will be a much happier and less stressed person.
I have been giving real life occurrences and first off got a LOL, now Iv'e heard everything, Then I give examples in links and opinions and I get a sniff, sniff. I wonder who is not allowing someone to have opinions. It seems to me that is all someone else has is opinions. I don't mind discussing with anyone but I don't appreciate being belittled. By the way I am not angry, whatever gave you that Idea.
Quote from: d.winsor on June 11, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: Uvagobbler on June 11, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
D. Winsor, you need to chill out. Don't be so sensitive. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion, don't say that they are not open minded. Everyone has a opinion when it comes to shotguns, ammo, calls, etc. There is nothing wrong with being passionate, don't get angry. Once you understand that we may not agree on everything, you will be a much happier and less stressed person.
I have been giving real life occurrences and first off got a LOL, now Iv'e heard everything, Then I give examples in links and opinions and I get a sniff, sniff. I wonder who is not allowing someone to have opinions. It seems to me that is all someone else has is opinions. I don't mind discussing with anyone but I don't appreciate being belittled. By the way I am not angry, whatever gave you that Idea.
Dadgum man. Are you ok??.... Take a big deep breath and count to ten.
Quote from: Spurcollecta on June 11, 2014, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: d.winsor on June 11, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: Uvagobbler on June 11, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
D. Winsor, you need to chill out. Don't be so sensitive. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion, don't say that they are not open minded. Everyone has a opinion when it comes to shotguns, ammo, calls, etc. There is nothing wrong with being passionate, don't get angry. Once you understand that we may not agree on everything, you will be a much happier and less stressed person.
I have been giving real life occurrences and first off got a LOL, now Iv'e heard everything, Then I give examples in links and opinions and I get a sniff, sniff. I wonder who is not allowing someone to have opinions. It seems to me that is all someone else has is opinions. I don't mind discussing with anyone but I don't appreciate being belittled. By the way I am not angry, whatever gave you that Idea.
Dadgum man. Are you ok??.... Take a big deep breath and count to ten.
I have already said I am not getting into a pi$$ing contest with you, I gave my information on Aimpoints with some facts and my opinion on the Fastfire 3. People can decide if I am alright or not.
Hey Spur...I had to chuckle a bit at the post you wrote earlier regarding the glare being the last thing the turkey should see before getting shot in the face.
D. Winsor, I can see the possibility that reflection from an optic, any optic , could spook a game animal if circumstances are perfectly aligned, although as stated earlier, it would probably be too late for the intended target to react. A purpose of a kill flash is to mitigate glare and I guess the glow from the red dot, but in a hunting situation, it shouldn't be that important. The stars would all have to be perfectly aligned before it would make a difference, and like spur said, by then it should be too late.
Movement, or lack thereof , is an important key to getting a shot on a bird. As I stated earlier, I have and use a fastfire, its great for turkey hunting. It's light, has decent optics and is priced fairly and now has a great warranty, but it ain't no aimpoint. I like it for the reasons I list, but back in the day when I carried an mp5...I had an aimpoint on it.
Quote from: Spurcollecta on June 11, 2014, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: CrustyRusty on June 11, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
The fastfires are good sights, but are not in the same league as an aimpoint. That's not saying the ff isn't a good sight, they are, but the durability of an aimpoint is proven.
I've had about every red dot imaginable, but on my work guns, I had aimpoints. Having said that, I currently use a fastfire 3 on my turkey gun, but turkeys don't shoot back. :OGturkeyhead:
CrustyRusty, how bout all that glare them Aimpoints put off??
you have your opinion I have mine based on my actual experience, anyone can read this thread and see what is fact and what is opinion. Give Aimpoint a call and ask them what they think about it. I have said enough on this that anyone will know my opinion. Appreciate you giving yours.
I got to be honest I use a ff2 and im not sure it doesn't have a bad glare that can spook turks hold it in direct sun and it will light up green I think all manufactures need to look into this
Late yesterday afternoon I got about 30 yards away from my black lab dog and looked at her through the scope. I asked her if the glare spooked her and she said no. There you have it!
Quote from: deadbuck on June 13, 2014, 11:21:49 AM
Late yesterday afternoon I got about 30 yards away from my black lab dog and looked at her through the scope. I asked her if the glare spooked her and she said no. There you have it!
Lmao
I ain't no rocket surgeon but I believe your study may be a little biased. You need to ask someone else's dog ;)
I used to really poo-poo the idea that the lens reflection could spook game, but now I'm not so sure. It is entirely possible under certain circumstances that the reflection, probably coupled with movement, could indeed spook a bird. I don't think it is as a common occurrence as other factors, but I now believe it could happen on occasion. Turkeys can and will spook for any number of reasons, so why not a lens reflection? My theory is if he's close enough to see a reflection I should be shooting, but turkeys have very keen eyesight, and if you put the gun up too soon and start weaving around waiting for him to come into range he could see it. But it's not going to keep me from using red dots on my gun, the advantages far outweigh any disadvantages for me.
Quote from: the Ward on June 13, 2014, 12:53:44 PM
I used to really poo-poo the idea that the lens reflection could spook game, but now I'm not so sure. It is entirely possible under certain circumstances that the reflection, probably coupled with movement, could indeed spook a bird. I don't think it is as a common occurrence as other factors, but I now believe it could happen on occasion. Turkeys can and will spook for any number of reasons, so why not a lens reflection? My theory is if he's close enough to see a reflection I should be shooting, but turkeys have very keen eyesight, and if you put the gun up too soon and start weaving around waiting for him to come into range he could see it. But it's not going to keep me from using red dots on my gun, the advantages far outweigh any disadvantages for me.
I agree
I noticed the Nikon scope for turkeys comes with an anti reflective device, so apparently traditional scopes glare also. If it gets to be a problem next spring I guess I will shell out $25 for the screw on anti reflector.
The nikon Monarch 1x4x20 is what I use. The front lens is set back into the front of the scope housing 1 1/2 inch. Therefore it will not have a glare. Also when I first got my Fastfire 3 red dot I turned it on and got in front of it, not any red glare at all, I trust it not to spook a turkey.
Quote from: deadbuck on June 13, 2014, 01:42:27 PM
I noticed the Nikon scope for turkeys comes with an anti reflective device, so apparently traditional scopes glare also. If it gets to be a problem next spring I guess I will shell out $25 for the screw on anti reflector.
I've used one on my main rig for several years and I haven't needed the ARD. Several friends of mine use this same scope and have never needed and only one that I know of uses it. It definitely wouldn't hurt to use it but I just don't care for it. It doesn't let as much light in and decreases the clarity more than I care for. I also used the older Monarch Turkey Pro 1-4x for many years and never had any problems with the lens spooking birds.
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Nice rig Spur...
I HAVE A FEW SCOPES AND NONE GIVE A GLARE , :OGani:
Spurcollecta, what camo pattern is that?
Quote from: deadbuck on June 14, 2014, 08:12:53 AM
Spurcollecta, what camo pattern is that?
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