I patterned my new to me 1300 22' barrel ssx choke this past weekend, I deep cleaned the barrel first and then bore snaked after almost every shot. Yardage was lasered at 41 yards with a cheap Simmons range finder. All my circles are 9'' because I didn't have a 10'' ring. I was expecting better results it was about 70 degrees.
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I took my best 3 patterns and re shot them once and these were the second results.
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and for the helk of it I shot the longbeards at 20 yards....
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I plan on trying some hevi size 6 shot next time I make it out but otherwise I think I need to try another choke, anyone else recommend anything?
Bead or sights. If sights IC will be your best bet. I am a bit of a 1300 collector and have run a dozen different chokes through them. I hunt bead only so I play with chokes and rounds all the time but IC should get you into the 200's somewhere with heavy 6's. 7's will get you high 2's.
thank you, I have a red dot on it but I was shooting offhand as II was more concerned with quickly patterning shells then I was poi. Also I had a girl shoot a few of these...
Good for you. Why make your cheek sore. Beat hers up first. And the reason I asked about the sights was because the IC was not centered well for me and with no adjustment I don't use it.
Have you tried the heavy shot choke with your 1300?
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My son in law has a 1300, with a .665 tru glo choke at 40 yards you could miss a turkey without a scope.
I have only tried this TruGlo SSX, I still have what I believe to be the factory turkey choke that came with it not sure exactly what it is it only says .665 on it. I plan to shoot a few from that choke next time out just to see what it can do, not sure if I can shoot hevi shot out of it I wish I knew for sure what choke tube it was because I'd preferably like to use hevi shot if I can get them to pattern good.
My son in laws gun came from the factory with a .665 choke not sure of the brand, did not shoot a real good pattern, I put the tru glo .665 in and it is super.
I have a Winchester 1300 as well and it did not like the SSX Choke. I had blown patterns. I purchased an Indian Creek .660 choke tube and I got excellent results with the Hevy 13 #6 and the Hevy 13 Magblends. I had 215 pellets in a ten inch circle at 40 yards with the #6 and 187 hits with the mag blends. Since I was concerned that the pattern might be too tight at 20 yards, I shot the # 6 at 20 yards and the entire shot pattern was with in a 12" circle and it was even. Not one pellet outside the circle on big paper. Also, I tested a .660 Carlson Choke at 40 yards and I got 87 hits with the Hevy13 #6 and 118 hits with the mag blends with in a 10 inch circle. The Carlson Choke tube was excellent out to 30 yards, but the pattern really fell off after that. I am glad that I got a chance to really pattern my gun this year on big paper and not just turkey targets.
I was stunned at the difference between the two chokes. Try the .660 Indian Creek Choke. I do not think you will be sorry.
Don
The standard turkey choke that came with my 1300 Buck and Tom was for lead only. I purchased my gun in 2006 and it has a 22" barrel and it came with a Sabot Slug choke as well. I really like my 1300!!
I hope that helps.
Don
Those are rather curious patterns. You are shooting at "big paper" at lease 3 feet x 3 feet and circling the best pattern, correct. I noticed that you're shooting at 41 yards and using a 9 inch circle for the numbers. It seems like a small difference but yardage and circle diameter can make a difference.
A couple of suggestions that might let you see exactly what your gun is capable of doing.
I would actually measure the distance from the muzzle of your gun to 40 yards. I know range finders are used quite often but there's really no substitute for accurately taping the distance. I'd also use a 10" circle so that you can accurately compare your results with those of others.
I looked at the shells you're using and those Hevi-13 shells with #7 shot should certainly give you much higher numbers and more dense patterns than I am seeing.
If you'll clean the bore and then not clean between shots, you'll likely have much better results as well.
Short barrels can be challenging but with the Winchester HV shells with #6 shot and with the Hevi-13 shells with #7 shot, those numbers and the density should be much better.
Thanks,
Clark
P.S. I'd also try some 3" Hevi-13 shells with 2 oz. of #6 shot.
Quote from: Lukas929 on May 18, 2014, 10:05:40 PM
thank you, I have a red dot on it but I was shooting offhand as II was more concerned with quickly patterning shells then I was poi. Also I had a girl shoot a few of these...
I agree!!
Quote from: mikejd on May 18, 2014, 09:53:30 PM
Bead or sights. If sights IC will be your best bet. I am a bit of a 1300 collector and have run a dozen different chokes through them. I hunt bead only so I play with chokes and rounds all the time but IC should get you into the 200's somewhere with heavy 6's. 7's will get you high 2's.
I worked for me.
Don
Quote from: Lukas929 on May 18, 2014, 10:45:23 PM
I have only tried this TruGlo SSX, I still have what I believe to be the factory turkey choke that came with it not sure exactly what it is it only says .665 on it. I plan to shoot a few from that choke next time out just to see what it can do, not sure if I can shoot hevi shot out of it I wish I knew for sure what choke tube it was because I'd preferably like to use hevi shot if I can get them to pattern good.
My Winchester factory turkey choke stated Lead only on the choke.
Hmm...something isn't right. My 22" 1300 would get a 170 average with hevi 3/2/6 using a non ported undertaker 675. I would also average in the 130 ' s with Winchester high velocity #6 in a .655 kick gt.
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Quote from: Lukas929 on May 18, 2014, 09:31:56 PM
I patterned my new to me 1300 22' barrel ssx choke this past weekend, I deep cleaned the barrel first and then bore snaked after almost every shot. Yardage was lasered at 41 yards with a cheap Simmons range finder. All my circles are 9'' because I didn't have a 10'' ring. I was expecting better results it was about 70 degrees.
Hey! :blob10: Sell that old Winchester to ME! :camohat:
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Thanks for the advice everyone, I will consider everything that was replied and when time/money allows I will make some changes. I indeed did draw my circle around what looked to be the most dense part of pattern, is that the wrong way of doing it? I have been turkey hunting only for 3 years an until this year always used my buddies turkey gun. For my first tag this year I was using my 870. Also Clarke you don't recommend cleaning after every shot? I thought i read to do that which is why I did. I am not new to guns or hunting but until I started getting serious about turkey hunting shotguns never appealed to me much I'd rather my bow or a rifle for hunting anything else.
QuoteAlso Clarke you don't recommend cleaning after every shot? I thought i read to do that which is why I did.
Some guns pattern better with a squeaky clean bore, some with a slightly fouled bore and others with a dirty bore. You never really know which your gun prefers until you try it each way.
Here's what I recommend: "Deep Clean" your bore before going to the range. Using paper, at least 3' x 3' shoot your gun, at 49 yards, with whatever choke and shell you want to evaluate. Circle the best 10" pattern. Number and mark that sheet. Without cleaning of any kind, fire another shell, circle and number that sheet and then fire at least one more shell without cleaning the bore. To take into account the variance in shells, you need to fire at least 3 shells and more if your budget and time allows.
When you are ready to switch chokes or shells, do a routine cleaning to remove debris from the bore and the choke and start over.
We know of course that you'll see your best patterns from either #6 or #7 size shot. I recommend Hevi-13 shells because they have are more consistent than anything else I shoot for hunting or in competition.
Best of luck to you with your new gun.
Thanks,
Clark
Lowoctane, not a chance buddy. I will still make a shooter out of it! I had never shot one before i bought it, but I easily like everything about it over my 870 other then the safety placement.
I dont want to hijack this post but i just ordered an IC for my 1300. I prob wont get to mess with it till sometime this summer.
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Ouch 80 bucks off their website for Indian creek ? I have one more tag starting this week Wednesday I think I'll use my 870 again untill I get this figured out. Thanks for the replies an I welcome any other thoughts/comments.
Plus shipping. It was $88 something
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just wait until someone on here has one in the classifieds.
Quote from: model94 on May 18, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
I have a Winchester 1300 as well and it did not like the SSX Choke. I had blown patterns. I purchased an Indian Creek .660 choke tube and I got excellent results with the Hevy 13 #6 and the Hevy 13 Magblends. I had 215 pellets in a ten inch circle at 40 yards with the #6 and 187 hits with the mag blends. Since I was concerned that the pattern might be too tight at 20 yards, I shot the # 6 at 20 yards and the entire shot pattern was with in a 12" circle and it was even. Not one pellet outside the circle on big paper. Also, I tested a .660 Carlson Choke at 40 yards and I got 87 hits with the Hevy13 #6 and 118 hits with the mag blends with in a 10 inch circle. The Carlson Choke tube was excellent out to 30 yards, but the pattern really fell off after that. I am glad that I got a chance to really pattern my gun this year on big paper and not just turkey targets.
I was stunned at the difference between the two chokes. Try the .660 Indian Creek Choke. I do not think you will be sorry.
Don
I got my IC choke for my 1300 and a new set of adjustable tru glo fiber optic sights, hoping for numbers like yours.
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Quote from: eddie234 on May 25, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: model94 on May 18, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
I have a Winchester 1300 as well and it did not like the SSX Choke. I had blown patterns. I purchased an Indian Creek .660 choke tube and I got excellent results with the Hevy 13 #6 and the Hevy 13 Magblends. I had 215 pellets in a ten inch circle at 40 yards with the #6 and 187 hits with the mag blends. Since I was concerned that the pattern might be too tight at 20 yards, I shot the # 6 at 20 yards and the entire shot pattern was with in a 12" circle and it was even. Not one pellet outside the circle on big paper. Also, I tested a .660 Carlson Choke at 40 yards and I got 87 hits with the Hevy13 #6 and 118 hits with the mag blends with in a 10 inch circle. The Carlson Choke tube was excellent out to 30 yards, but the pattern really fell off after that. I am glad that I got a chance to really pattern my gun this year on big paper and not just turkey targets.
I was stunned at the difference between the two chokes. Try the .660 Indian Creek Choke. I do not think you will be sorry.
Don
I got my IC choke for my 1300 and a new set of adjustable tru glo fiber optic sights, hoping for numbers like yours.
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you will. All of my 1300's do. IC is definitely a great choke for that gun.
Load up the longbeard #5's and go hunting
Quote from: eddie234 on May 25, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: model94 on May 18, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
I have a Winchester 1300 as well and it did not like the SSX Choke. I had blown patterns. I purchased an Indian Creek .660 choke tube and I got excellent results with the Hevy 13 #6 and the Hevy 13 Magblends. I had 215 pellets in a ten inch circle at 40 yards with the #6 and 187 hits with the mag blends. Since I was concerned that the pattern might be too tight at 20 yards, I shot the # 6 at 20 yards and the entire shot pattern was with in a 12" circle and it was even. Not one pellet outside the circle on big paper. Also, I tested a .660 Carlson Choke at 40 yards and I got 87 hits with the Hevy13 #6 and 118 hits with the mag blends with in a 10 inch circle. The Carlson Choke tube was excellent out to 30 yards, but the pattern really fell off after that. I am glad that I got a chance to really pattern my gun this year on big paper and not just turkey targets.
I was stunned at the difference between the two chokes. Try the .660 Indian Creek Choke. I do not think you will be sorry.
Don
I got my IC choke for my 1300 and a new set of adjustable tru glo fiber optic sights, hoping for numbers like yours.
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Let me know how it works for you! I use a Bushnell Red Dot/ Green Dot Scope. I am glad that I found the correct set up because I was sick of paying $5 bucks per pull to test other chokes. Indian Creek tech support suggested Hevy 13 3 inch #6. I have not tried the number 7's. Also, if you do have any issues, they will be glad to help.
Well I decided to use the win super x to hunt based off the consistent overall pattern, took off work today for the very last day of wisconsins spring season and had this guy into 6 yards with no shot, ended up shooting him at 25 yards on the run an it wouldn't have been possible if all my shot was in a 10" circle. Run n gun state land tom :z-guntootsmiley:
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Well I decided to use the win super x to hunt based off the consistent overall pattern, took off work today for the very last day of wisconsins spring season and had this guy into 6 yards with no shot, ended up shooting him at 25 yards on the run an it wouldn't have been possible if all my shot was in a 10" circle. Run n gun state land tom :z-guntootsmiley:
Congratulations! There's just nothing like hanging in there. I'd also like to congratulate you on making the choice of shells/choke that works for you in your situation. That's really what it's all about.
Thanks,
Clark
I appreciate it, this isn't my final combination but without any time to keep patterning in between hunts I had to make do with what I had. I just picked up a few boxes of Winchester hv #6s last night I really want to try. Btw this was my 3rd tag and 2nd one filled in the past 3 weeks;)
Lukas,
Congrats on the tom!
I have shot a 1300 for the past 12 years. I spent some time 3 years ago messing with a jellyhead with Hevi 2/3/6 and Winchester HiVel #6s. The Hevi was much much better. I can't recall the numbers but they were good > 150 in 10" at 40 yards. Then, I tried a Pure Gold with the 2/3/7s and have been using 7s ever since with really good numbers. Been using that combo for 3 years and have killed gobblers at 20 and 40 yards. Haven't tried the IC tube. I was lucky to find the Pure Gold at Cabelas in the Bargain Cave for $25.
I have a question I realized this before but not as bad as now when I screwed in my jellyhead. My ssx tube doesn't screw in as easy as it should, an I thought maybe the threads were a little beat up or needed cleaning but when I screwed in my jellyhead it went in perfect without any added torquing of my wrist. Anyone ever experience this or think maybe whatever is causing that could be effecting my pattern?
Barrel counterbores and chokes are all manufactured to some +/- tolerance. There are times when a choke is on the + side and the counterbore is on the - side, or vice versa and chokes can be tight or chokes can be loose when installed.
I've had chokes that spin in to the gun and others that I've had to twist in all the way.
Having said that, you should not have force a choke into the threads or use undue pressure to seat it.
I would clean the threads on the SSX and maybe even put a drop of oil on them. You should also clean the bore threads. If after that you still feel that it's too tight, you can call TRUGLO at 888.8.TRUGLO and tell them what's going on. TRUGLO has excellent customer service and they will want you to be happy with your SSX.
Thanks,
Clark
Thank you for the quick reply, it's about every other full turn that I have to put extra muscle into it to get it to turn. I will tinker with it more tomorrow an call them if need be.
Quote from: allaboutshooting on May 29, 2014, 11:22:30 PM
Barrel counterbores and chokes are all manufactured to some +/- tolerance. There are times when a choke is on the + side and the counterbore is on the - side, or vice versa and chokes can be tight or chokes can be loose when installed.
I've had chokes that spin in to the gun and others that I've had to twist in all the way.
Having said that, you should not have force a choke into the threads or use undue pressure to seat it.
I would clean the threads on the SSX and maybe even put a drop of oil on them. You should also clean the bore threads. If after that you still feel that it's too tight, you can call TRUGLO at 888.8.TRUGLO and tell them what's going on. TRUGLO has excellent customer service and they will want you to be happy with your SSX.
Thanks,
Clark
What causes some chokes to have different poi? I have a couple chokes that are centered and some that are off.
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Quote from: eddie234 on May 31, 2014, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: allaboutshooting on May 29, 2014, 11:22:30 PM
Barrel counterbores and chokes are all manufactured to some +/- tolerance. There are times when a choke is on the + side and the counterbore is on the - side, or vice versa and chokes can be tight or chokes can be loose when installed.
I've had chokes that spin in to the gun and others that I've had to twist in all the way.
Having said that, you should not have force a choke into the threads or use undue pressure to seat it.
I would clean the threads on the SSX and maybe even put a drop of oil on them. You should also clean the bore threads. If after that you still feel that it's too tight, you can call TRUGLO at 888.8.TRUGLO and tell them what's going on. TRUGLO has excellent customer service and they will want you to be happy with your SSX.
Thanks,
Clark
What causes some chokes to have different poi? I have a couple chokes that are centered and some that are off.
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The designs of chokes can cause one to have a different POI than another. The length extending from the muzzle, ports that cause unequal pressure on a wad, wad catchers, etc. can all affect the POI as can concentricity of the choke, the bore and the counterbore.
I have some guns that keep very similar POIs with just about any choke that I install, taking into account the differences in length extending from the muzzle that will affect elevation, and others that may have differences both in elevation and windage.
As you've no doubt noticed, when you switch shotshells, it's also common for the POI to change.
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Clark