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Title: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: 870-Wingmaster on May 13, 2014, 11:30:34 PM
Is my bird a midget??? I heard a bird gobble twice at a crow and the gobble sounded like a mature bird.  I cannot say that the bird I killed was the one that gobbled due to him not ever answering my call, but he did come from exactly where i heard the gobble, and was hunting narrow woods along a field edge.  Anyway, I saw the beard and shot him.  When i got to him, he looked small.  He had a 7 3/4" beard, full, short fan, no spurs, and weighed 11.4lbs.   Jake or Midget???   Below is the only pic that i got of him, but I do have his beard and fan still.
Title: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: BigHeadBoy on May 14, 2014, 12:14:33 AM
Almost looks like a hen
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: Marc on May 14, 2014, 12:41:36 AM
Quote from: 870-Wingmaster on May 13, 2014, 11:30:34 PM
I heard a bird gobble twice at a crow and the gobble sounded like a mature bird.

I hunt Rio's out here on the west coast, but I have been unable to discern between the gobble of a mature tom verses a jake...  I have certainly heard different levels of enthusiasm or nervousness in a gobble, but I had a small jake come into me this year with a roaring gobble, and I had a tom come close with a half-hearted fart of a gobble (he was a bit nervous I believe).

Quote from: 870-Wingmaster on May 13, 2014, 11:30:34 PM
  He had a 7 3/4" beard, full, short fan, no spurs, and weighed 11.4lbs.   
Quote from: BigHeadBoy on May 14, 2014, 12:14:33 AM
Almost looks like a hen



Jakes are still bigger than that, and most would have spurs...  Size, no spurs, and appearance seems all hen to me as well.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: spurcrazy on May 14, 2014, 01:01:33 AM
Looks like a hen :boon:
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: spurcrazy on May 14, 2014, 01:06:39 AM
 Does the turkey have waddles at the base of the neck? If you have cleaned a gobbler before it will be pretty apparent what this one is while cleaning it. If your state regs don't allow the killing of bearded hens I'd suggest removing this thread and eating that turkey for breakfast :popcorn:
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: tomstopper on May 14, 2014, 06:01:26 AM
Yep. I agree with all that has been said above. Looking at the pic and from what you have said, you definitely shot a bearded lady.......
Title: Re: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: va wingbone on May 14, 2014, 07:11:57 AM
Quote from: tomstopper on May 14, 2014, 06:01:26 AM
Yep. I agree with all that has been said above. Looking at the pic and from what you have said, you definitely shot a bearded lady.......
agreed


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Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: TrackeySauresRex on May 14, 2014, 07:16:18 AM
I beleive Henrietta as well.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: MACHINIST on May 14, 2014, 07:21:45 AM
The term is little turkeys,Midget turkey offends them!!HAHA
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Post by: TauntoHawk on May 14, 2014, 08:48:44 AM
without a doubt thats a bearded hen
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Post by: TRKYHTR on May 14, 2014, 09:27:18 AM
Hen for sure.
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Post by: howl on May 14, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
What part of the country? Swamp nearby? It seems a little dark. Might've been a mossy-headed gobbler.
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Post by: DirtNap647 on May 14, 2014, 10:24:47 AM
bearded hen
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Post by: hunter22 on May 14, 2014, 10:32:45 AM
Nice hen.....
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: 870FaceLift on May 14, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
You shot the Ellen of the turkey world...   :z-guntootsmiley:
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: tomstopper on May 14, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: 870FaceLift on May 14, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
You shot the Ellen of the turkey world...   :z-guntootsmiley:
:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: stinkpickle on May 14, 2014, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: 870FaceLift on May 14, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
You shot the Ellen of the turkey world...   :z-guntootsmiley:

More like an the unshaven Rosie.   :TooFunny:  That's a helluva hen, though.  I'd probably have to do a double-take if I saw that beard swingin'.
Title: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: TxLongspur on May 14, 2014, 11:52:55 AM
Nice hen !
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: rem 300 on May 14, 2014, 12:08:37 PM
Yep, Nice bearded hen
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Post by: mudhen on May 14, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
'Stud' of a bearded hen!

Call her Rosie maybe??

mudhen
Title: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: Spring_Woods on May 14, 2014, 12:26:38 PM
I have heard hens try to gobble.

I believe what you have there is a bearded hen. Congrats!
Title: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: COssman14 on May 14, 2014, 12:26:46 PM
Looks like a bearded hen.


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Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: THattaway on May 14, 2014, 01:37:08 PM
That's a bearded hen for sure. Since noone has mentioned it and it seems you don't already know....
A hen has breast feathers with brownish tips. Toms have black tips.

To throw a bigger kink in things...
I have video footage of a bearded hen with gobbler plummage that I saw a few years back. Lovett Williams confirmed this when I posted it here.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: Bigspurs68 on May 14, 2014, 02:52:02 PM
Yea ol buddy, it's a hen. It could have been the bird that gobbled too. I have heard a couple hens that actually gobbled pretty good.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: WiLL B on May 14, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
Yep you got a bearded hen. She has a good beard for a hen but that is what it is.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: jblackburn on May 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM
It's a hen.  Hen's will gobble, but usually nothing like a tom or even a jake. Plus, the body feathers are brown tipped.  Gobblers are black tipped.

Nonetheless, congrats!
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: jblackburn on May 14, 2014, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: howl on May 14, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
What part of the country? Swamp nearby? It seems a little dark. Might've been a mossy-headed gobbler.

Ok, I don't want to start anything, but mossy heads are about as common as Sasquatch!  I know people that swear up and down they exist. Maybe they did exist . . .  But really?

I think mossy heads are more likely example of what we see here.  An over zealous bearded hen!  Heck, some of them may even be hermaphrodites for all we know
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: troutfisher13111 on May 14, 2014, 06:28:18 PM
What is a mossy head?
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: jblackburn on May 14, 2014, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: Terry on May 14, 2014, 06:28:18 PM
What is a mossy head?

The legendary small sized, hairy headed turkey that may or may not exist.

Here's a description

http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php?topic=8981.0

Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: troutfisher13111 on May 14, 2014, 06:44:00 PM
Thanks! Sounds freaky
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: 870-Wingmaster on May 14, 2014, 11:10:48 PM
Thanks Guys.  It was legal to shoot a bearded hen where i shot her, and to tell you the truth, i am quite pumped.  :happy0064: I had told the guys in my hunting party that if i saw a bearded hen that i would shoot it.  I was expecting a gobbler, and like i said, i saw the beard and a blueish head and let the lead fly.  When i got to the bird, i saw nubs on the legs, so i thought it was a jake.  I never noticed that it didn't have waddles.

I didn't know that you could fan out a hen's tail like you can with a gobbler.  her tail looks exactly the same, just much shorter.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: 870-Wingmaster on May 14, 2014, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: howl on May 14, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
What part of the country? Swamp nearby? It seems a little dark. Might've been a mossy-headed gobbler.

Shot in the midwest.  No swamp nearby.  Open land except for woods along ravines and steep bottoms.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: howl on May 15, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
The ones I have heard about were in Gulf states and those were the only kind they saw in those specific areas. Never heard of one in the Midwest. Nice trophy for you!
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: Crawl79 on May 15, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
I was in the hunting party and also, did not notice it was a hen but knew that there was something very strange. I guess my mind saw what it wanted to see. I also, was very pumped to hear it is a hen. I would like to legally shoot a bearded hen as well.

My comment when I saw the birds mini-tail fan was, " Awe sha that's a cute one"
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: surehuntsalot on May 15, 2014, 09:05:14 PM
congrats on the bearded lady
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: Scout24 on May 18, 2014, 06:34:29 AM
The brown color in the photo gave it away, toms are blacker. Bearded hens are fairly common in NH, had 2 in my foodplot all last summer. A 67 year old buddy, experienced enough to know better, shot one 3 years ago thinking it was a jake, luckily it was legal. His eyesight is terrible and we razzed him all summer how we were going to take his shotgun away. This year he shot a 22 1/2 pder on opening day, sent out hero pics and an epic novel detailing his accomplishment and shut us all up!
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: WV TURKEY THUG on May 18, 2014, 03:09:26 PM
congrats it happens they all eat about the same. i ate a few hens before and they tasted alot better than then a tom imo. i got a buddy who shot a bearded lady it had eggs in it u wanna talk about good eating them eggs were the best. once again congrats i would of let the lead fly on her to with a beard like that. its legal to shoot bearded hens in wv also.
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: ncturkey on May 18, 2014, 03:12:40 PM
You got your self a bearded hen.
Title: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: ccleroy on May 18, 2014, 04:54:17 PM
:smh:
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Post by: steveo on May 18, 2014, 07:52:18 PM
Hen.........
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Post by: Houndstooth Game Calls on May 20, 2014, 12:12:43 AM
Is it a boy or a girl it's Pat! Congrats I always wanted to have a bearded hen mounted on a display with a big gobbler behind strutting!
Title: Re: Jake or Midget Tom?
Post by: neal on May 20, 2014, 10:15:12 AM
Dandy hen!