Seeings that everyone is all fired up and pizzed off at EM right now.. Now is the time for everyone collectively to pester Winchester about releasing their Extended range in a #7 loading for 2012.. It was members of this board that took the same needs to EM and got this accomplished..
One has got to think that these board(s) and its members account for getting these loads to sell and still account for a huge percentage of these shells sales.. Not just amongst us, but thru lurkers and recommendations to friends..
I have stated this on here before.. IN a #6 shotshell the wins are capable of putting up numbers as good as a hevi shot #6.. The problem lies in the fact that we all jumped on the hevi shot band wagon and collectively figured them shells out.. If more members would have spent time with the Wins there is no doubt we would have seen results across the board that would be close to the Hevi results..
So what would we get with a Winchester 7, who knows.. We may get no better patterns than what we are getting with the newer 7s.. We will get however a load that is consistent year to year as to the best of my knowledge their has only been one change to the xtended range load.. Another thing we will get is a softer pellet, not soft as lead but softer indeed and may allow some added confidence in the fact their choke wont break..
Winchesters loads are also faster... But some may also want them to up their payload.. These efforts are usually best in a "blitzkrieg" mentality when ya hit them fast and fill their mailbox..
You can all choose to fight and argue amongst yourselves or you can choose to get something done
I would be thrilled to see Winchester Extended range offered in 7's!
We need to get an email for someone in R and D or someone higher up.. Heck we need to just blanket every email addy we find..
Quote from: el diablo on March 17, 2011, 09:46:31 AM
Would it be easier to try and get federal to ditch the FCW? The heavyweights would be the bee's knees without the FCW. I would be more excited about that than the winchester 7's.
Thats another option.. But the problem lies in the fact that the FCW is a huge marketing Gimmick.. If they ditched it they would have to eat crow and live up to the fact it was never really as good as stated..
I am in. The squeeky wheels gets the grease.
Whos got a email address?
I'm willing to do my part.
I just sent one to Hornady also. We shall see....
Can you post up the email addresses
How bout,
Hello,
I am writing to make a helpful suggestion. Fellow turkey hunters and I have been following the heavier than lead shot offerings are are really pleased with the Xtended Range load offerings. We feel however, that your payloads are light when compared to other offerings and do not offer the smaller shot sizes, i.e. #7 shot. I would like to see a 3 inch 2 oz load offered in #6 and #7 shot as well as a 3.5 inch 2 1/4 oz load of #6 and #7 shot. This would greatly improve our turkey killing patterns and down range efficiency. These loads would make you more competitive in the current market.
Sincerely,
_______________________ name
_______________________ address
_______________________ city, state, zip
_______________________ email
Make changes and suggestions and we'll try to find an email to get it too.
I couldn't find an email address to Winchester. I did however find a phone number there at their website.
Firearm Information: If your question hasn't been answered in the Frequently Asked Questions and it is a question about manuals, catalogs, & products please call our Consumer Department directly at: 800.333.3288 or 801.876.2711 & for Parts & Service call: 800.322.4626
I just called the first number I listed and it said if you have questions about WInchester ammo to call 1-800-356-2666. I'm gonna give them a call. This will work as good as an email if enough folks will do it and tell them we want 7's.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 17, 2011, 01:25:36 PM
I just called the first number I listed and it said if you have questions about WInchester ammo to call 1-800-356-2666. I'm gonna give them a call. This will work as good as an email if enough folks will do it and tell them we want 7's.
Get an email address
I just called and left a message about what we our wanting. I left my number. The recording said they would contact me in one business day.
They aren't giving out an email address that I have seen.
Well we need one.. If just one of the brains behind this would sit and look at the reloading section as well as what is going on with Chokes and various loads, I think they would be suprised..
I'm on the phone with them now. I will try to get an email address.
Maybe some 'contact us' links on http://www.olin.com/ (http://www.olin.com/)?
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 17, 2011, 01:34:40 PM
I'm on the phone with them now. I will try to get an email address.
Oh great we got all the great minds here and we send ILIKEHEVI-13 to call them :begging:
:TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Quote from: shootumindaface on March 17, 2011, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 17, 2011, 01:34:40 PM
I'm on the phone with them now. I will try to get an email address.
Oh great we got all the great minds here and we send ILIKEHEVI-13 to call them :begging:
:TooFunny: :TooFunny:
yea im sure this is going to work out well :TooFunny:
Funny Thomas!
Ok here we go. I spoke to Pat on the phone. I told her I was tired of getting the run around of people who aren't picking up the phone. So I talked to her and told her our delimma. She said to forward the email to her and she would forward it to a product manager.
plewis@olin.com
Now would you guys like a soda or doughnuts to go along with this request? :toothy12:
So I did the calling. Tom you can do the emailing. I'm sending you my name and address.
Are we better off with a formal email or have everyone email the person..
I feel a formal email with our names and contact information would be best
Don't want to rain on the parade and glad to see ya'll trying, but feel you'll be let down.
They have to think about who their market is, what % of their business it is, how much it will cost to test/manufacture, cost of advertising, etc etc
It would cost them a ton and the market is just not there. Turkey hunters make up a small portion of their sales and a very small portion of that market would actually shoot #7s. The majority of turkey hunters feel 7s are way too small.
Worth a try, but I feel it wont go anywhere.
EM was easier to get on board with smaller shot sizes because turkey ammo is a larger portion of their profit compared to the larger ammo companies. Look at Remington, their HD turkey loads were a flop and you can tell they just aren't very interested in changing it.
Also, if Win XR is running $45+ per box, I would imagine 7s would run more(especially if they go to larger payloads). I don't see many folks jumping at $6 shells.
Reloader
Great job. Really added more to make it more effective. I'm not too good at writing, but wanted to get something up to build on.
So now we have it, copy and paste it to your email and send it in. ILH has an email posted.
Quote from: slickyboyboo on March 18, 2011, 10:31:08 AM
Came across this in a round about way. Can't hurt.
Brett Flaugher
Vice President of Sales and Marketing
+1.618.258.2000 x3596
bflaugher@olin.com
Olin Corporation
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Saint Louis, MO 63105-3443
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Your the man slicky! :you_rock: