I really want to improve my yelping on a diaphragm call. Please critique my calling and offer tips if you can, I know I need a lot of improving. I switch my tone half way through in the vid. Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnRBfeXgW_8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnRBfeXgW_8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKR3eYnBd4
I think it would be easier to achieve a distinct high front end on a ghost cut type call when you're first starting out. It may not drop off into the rasp you want but the idea here is to achieve two distinct notes - the clear, high pitched "kee" and then drop off into the lower pitched, deeper "youk". Like Scott says in the video, you have to move your tongue around the call until you find its sweet spot then train yourself to call off of that spot each time. Hope this helps!
I have a ghost cut. Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k92A1V5UA3c&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k92A1V5UA3c&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
I am not a beginner, I actually primarily a mouth call guy. I think thats actually a bad thing cause now I have some bad habits to break.
Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that you were a beginner when it comes to mouth calls just that a ghost cut might help if you were beginning to try to master the two note yelp. I certainly didn't start out with a perfect two note yelp. It took a bit of practice but really it was all about finding the call or calls that worked for me. You just need a little fine tuning. Finding the correct tongue position, tongue pressure, and amount of air pressure is critical. Find that clean high spot on your call and go from there.
Here's a clip I took earlier this season:
https://soundcloud.com/jbird_22/hooksexecutionerii
I wasn't offended, just thought it might aid in any advice.
You sound really good! That's where I want to be.
Sounds to me like you have no change in pitch in your yelp. Find the sweet high pitch spot on your call and then drop your tongue for your low rasp. Your ghost cut sounded better but still single toned most of the time. Your cadence with your ghost cut needed some improvement also. I'm no expert at all just telling you what I hear! Keep working on it I'm sure you could call in a turkey just like that.
Quote from: Terry on May 05, 2014, 09:23:39 PM
I wasn't offended, just thought it might aid in any advice.
You sound really good! That's where I want to be.
Thanks! Keep working on getting that clear, high note on your call and you've got the hard part figured out.
That's a good video by Scott.
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Thanks guys! I am working on it.
I think until I get better I need to find an extremely easy to blow call. I am struggling to get a high clear front note. It takes a ton of air.
I'm not sure what brand you're using but you will NOT go wrong with either Hooks or Houndstooth! I personally prefer the Hooks Executioner II and Houndstooth Dixie Combo. Both are easy to run and are full of turkey!
Right now I am primarily running a Gooserbat Bacon and PLS. I have a Hooks Executioner II, but I struggle with the clean note with it.
I've read where the PLS will produce a very clean note but I've never ran one. Try running them one side or the other of center. You'll find find it!
I am getting a nice clean front end. Now I need to work on rolling it over to a lower second half. I get going to fast and it turns into a flat yelp again.
The PLS is not built to have a lot of rasp, just touch on the back end. As said, you can move your tongue around and find a place to get more, but it's going to be a defined front end.
Run the Bacon right down the center, you can get a shorter front end with moderate rasp relatively easily with it. Same with the ghost cut. Also, you could try adjusting your cadence. draw out the yelps just a touch longer.
Try a 2 reed set back batwing call. It has a nice high end front note with raspy back end yelps. Message me I make my own calls. If you want to try this call I will send you a couple to try. This is my favorite call for clucks n purrs and plain yelping. You can also cut on this call.
Quote from: Terry on May 06, 2014, 09:51:03 AM
I think until I get better I need to find an extremely easy to blow call. I am struggling to get a high clear front note. It takes a ton of air.
Quacker boy old boss hen. Not my favorite call by any means but the front end is easily found.
I am missing something. I am getting the high front note, but i just can't get it to transition to a good back note. Really frustrating!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWPYMyJC4oM&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWPYMyJC4oM&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: Terry on May 06, 2014, 07:56:12 PM
Latest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWPYMyJC4oM&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWPYMyJC4oM&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
not sure which call you've got in, but that has back end rasp. sounds decent to me.
Otherwise try dropping your jaw in different ways
Are you able to get the backend with the Gooserbat Bacon?
That last clip was a Woodhaven Copperhead. I can get a decent front end with the Bacon, but it takes so much pressure that it's a lot harder to get a good yelp.
Try the Tom Bomb I garuntee you will get what your looking for.. Doesn't matter wich side of the call air hits it.. What I am hearing in your tone is the problem I hear with a lot of people not so much tone but there yelp is like saying the word chick or pick kinda popping the lips as a cluck would be. Instead of rolling smoothly out the note. What your doing will kill the stew out of a turkey anywhere though..
Can you get one in the mail today? Priority mail?
Click the link at the bottom of his post and give him a call. That would probably be your best bet. Lyle is very helpful and great to do business with!
Terry I am fixing to pick up my son and run son errands, but I could put it in the mail first thing in the AM..
No problem. I put an order in. Looking forward to receiving it.
As far as the "chick" sound, I will work on that as well. I am starting to control the sound more with air pressure and tongue and less with my jaw. This seems to give me a better sound.
I got the order and thank you I will mail it in the morning.. I control my yelp by totally tounge pressure and air pressure.. My jaw moves very little running a vcutt, combo, or bat wing..When I run a ghost my jaw moves a lot creating a pushy type yelp as I see it. Everyone's different it's easier to show than type..lol
This is the latest. I am getting a flat clean sound, I just need to add more of a back end. Gooserbat Bacon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8DGrtOG-qc&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8DGrtOG-qc&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
If you are trying to get a clean front end, like Scott Ellis, your technique is wrong. The technique you are using is blowing on the call with your tongue starting on the latex. The technique that Scott uses is huffing on the call or panting like a dog and using your diaphragm for the air pressure needed to make the call work. Start with the call in the roof of your mouth can as you huff the air bring your tongue up against the reed to make the sound. Once you start making sound that way you can adjust your tongue and the pressure that you need to get the front end. Once you find the front end you just drop your tongue off the latex, or drop your jaw to get the back end rasp. Here is another one of Scotts videos that might help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPnzMPp5LQ
Quote from: TRKYHTR on May 17, 2014, 12:42:12 PM
If you are trying to get a clean front end, like Scott Ellis, your technique is wrong. The technique you are using is blowing on the call with your tongue starting on the latex. The technique that Scott uses is huffing on the call or panting like a dog and using your diaphragm for the air pressure needed to make the call work. Start with the call in the roof of your mouth can as you huff the air bring your tongue up against the reed to make the sound. Once you start making sound that way you can adjust your tongue and the pressure that you need to get the front end. Once you find the front end you just drop your tongue off the latex, or drop your jaw to get the back end rasp. Here is another one of Scotts videos that might help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPnzMPp5LQ
Thanks! This is very helpful post.
As easy as it seems, I am just not getting it. My newest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XruELmL25bw&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XruELmL25bw&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
This is the 2 reed set back batwing call. Message me Terry if you want to try one. This is my favorite call for clucks n purrs and soft yelps. You can cut on this call also. TRKYHTR is right if you want to get a better front end yelp you need to huff the air from your diaphragm. https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTurkeyhunter89 click on this link IMG 04111 GOOD LUCK and practice, practice n more practice.
Remember Terry you do not have to be perfect to call in a big long beard. The only time you have to be perfect is on stage competing in a calling contest.
Yeah, I know that. I have called in a ton of turkey with a mouth call sounding just like I did in the first post. Honestly, I have never once felt like my calling made or broke my hunt. Wanting to sound better is purely just to meet a personal goal.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb_BvXigadg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Not sure what you mean
Do you mean the longer drawn out noise I get at the beginning? Thats me trying to find that high spot