Finally got one with the 20ga Federal Heavyweight #7/Sumtoy combo out of my Yildiz O/U. Bird collapsed at the shot like they do with a 2oz load of lead sixes, but unlike the big load of sixes the bird flopped a lot after a few seconds. They flop very little with the big load. My wife noticed I shot low when she was cleaning the bird. That may have been the reason for the extra flopping. Shot the bird at 37 steps but I recall I aimed for middle-neck instead of the head like I should with that particular gun. Old habit.
How do birds y'all have shot with the 20ga loads of heavy 7s react? Those 7s looked about the size of sixes, btw.
Dead is dead who cares
They drop like no ones business,little to no flopping...Less flopping then 5s out of a 20 gauge
I have saw 4 birds get shot with 20ga federal heavyweight#7s this year, my step son shot one at 33 yards opening day of season and it never flopped the first time, then my dad shot one with them the second day and it didn't flop until we picked it up but he caught a pine limb that he thought he would be above and it busted his shot up, it actually shot a hole clean through a side of its breast. The first one I shot with them this year was about 25 yards and only flopped once or twice when i picked him up and the one I shot yesterday was actually quite a bit farther than I thought when I shot but it still put him down hard and he never flopped until I picked him up, I am really impressed with how the federal heavyweight 7s and a sumtoy has performed for my family this year.
What i want to know is how do you get your wife to clean your turkeys?!?!?!
Quote from: WV Ridge Reaper on May 01, 2014, 09:41:41 PM
They drop like no ones business,little to no flopping...Less flopping then 5s out of a 20 gauge
Just like he said. My 12 year old son shot his first bird ever with these last weekend during the youth weekend and that tom dropped in its tracks. He kicked his legs a little with a little wing flap due to nerves, but no flopping all over. Stone dead.
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Quote from: bpsmag1026 on May 02, 2014, 09:00:30 AM
What i want to know is how do you get your wife to clean your turkeys?!?!?!
She hunts and fishes a little. We made a deal the first time she shot a deer. I clean the stuff with hair and fur and she does scales and feathers. She uses the feathers for trading and crafts. I started having the eldest daughter clean my squirrels and rabbits. I haven't had to clean anything except deer and coon in years.
That's a good deal!
Ive shot 13 with my 20 ga and let a child shoot number 14. All with Federal sevens. Every one was hit like a sledge hammer with very little to no flopping. In fact, the two or three that did move, Id actually say it was a twitch not a flop.
very little floppage with the ones ive shot, even with hevi 13 #7
I reckon I just shot low, then. Some practice is in order to break that old habit.
Fed 7's is some mean stuff! I still don't know why I'm shootin the 12.
I'm kinda lost in this flopping stuff. I have killed a whole bunch of turkeys. They flop. Iv blown heads off. They flop. Some less than others but flop they do. A bird on flat ground may not carry on too much if he is not grabbed too soon but in the hills they flop and roll and roll and flop. I have caused and have been witness to a huge sampling of turkey death, and either I'm loosing my mind or... Some birds flop more than others. No matter what they are hit with.
Every bird that I have ever shot,has flopped to one degree or another no matter what they were shot with.You can take their head completely off and they will still flop.
I worry about the stop not the flop and they do that when properly applied.
Quiver and twitch describe it better than flop.
I shot a bird with them this year at 32 yds. He flopped like every other bird i've shot, mostly just nerves and the life leaving him. The damage was severe though, his head never left the dirt, the neck was completely broken with a very noticeable puddle of blood. Those shells will whack one hard !
Grandson's bird at 35 yards hit and flopped very little.
shot one in kentucky this season 36 yards with range finder flopped a few times but just couldnt get that head full of those #7s off the ground works for me
I shot a bird one morning and was about twenty yds. He fell face down and never twitched a feather...until I walked up and went to pick him up by his feet. As soon as I grabbed him his wings started flapping and one of his spurs got caught on my glove. He spun over and over and as y'all know there's a lot of power in those wings. The glove was ripped off my hand and a knot came up on my wrist. I thought I'd broken my arm. He was dead of course, but since that day I've given them time to flop a little. Even if they don't.
Quote from: surehuntsalot on May 04, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Every bird that I have ever shot,has flopped to one degree or another no matter what they were shot with.You can take their head completely off and they will still flop.
Killed a few chickens for my Grandmother when I was a lad. They run in circles and flop, jump up an run after you chop there heads off with a axe
Long time lurker and because of this forum, went and got a sumtoy choke and some federal #7's for my benelli 20 gauge and tried it out yesterday on a western pa Tom. I was thoroughly impressed with the results. 30 yard shot and hit him hard, flapped his wings a few times but the damage was really impressive.
Many thanks for those of you who I've read so much to try this combo out. Many thanks and cannot wait to smoke another with the lightweight 20!
Gus
Have you guys ever heard the phrase 'running like a chicken with his head cut off?' You can't control the muscle contractions and postmortem effects with any shell or any other means of death for that matter
You can take a axe to a gobbler and cut his head off and it will flap plenty sometimes , I'm not sure what is muscle memory but it's probably the same thing rattlesnakes got too cause they will rattle and coil with it's head taken off
I was pretty pleased with how this one reacted. Flopped about 40 yards down the side of a ridge to a logging road and flopped no more. The blood trail was very impressive.
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Quote from: RaspyD on May 15, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
I was pretty pleased with how this one reacted. Flopped about 40 yards down the side of a ridge to a logging road and flopped no more. The blood trail was very impressive.
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Smackdown right there. Nice bird.
QuoteI'm kinda lost in this flopping stuff. I have killed a whole bunch of turkeys. They flop. Iv blown heads off. They flop. Some less than others but flop they do. A bird on flat ground may not carry on too much if he is not grabbed too soon but in the hills they flop and roll and roll and flop. I have caused and have been witness to a huge sampling of turkey death, and either I'm loosing my mind or... Some birds flop more than others. No matter what they are hit with.
Ditto here. Basically, if I do my job and they are in range....they die....flop or no flop! Those #7's are pretty deadly. ;)
My only question is, does she have a sister??? :love5:
Shot my son's 20 gauge in Kansas and Nebraska last week, after my trusty Mossberg's 835 trigger quit working on the first day. I killed 5 gobblers with HW 7's at ranges from 30 to 40 yards or better. I will say this, I am done with the 12. Remington 870 youth model and Remington factory full extended choke. 3 inch shells.
Quote from: sixbird on May 31, 2014, 08:01:48 AM
My only question is, does she have a sister??? :love5:
She's got one that'll clean your fish. Trouble with her is she'll drink you under the table while she's doing it.
Quote from: surehuntsalot on May 04, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Every bird that I have ever shot,has flopped to one degree or another no matter what they were shot with.You can take their head completely off and they will still flop
True I took a hens head off with a mossberg 835 at 7 yards and it flopped more than any bird I have shot sence but those heavy weights are devastating
Quote from: Bigspurs68 on May 03, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
I'm kinda lost in this flopping stuff. I have killed a whole bunch of turkeys. They flop. Iv blown heads off. They flop. Some less than others but flop they do. A bird on flat ground may not carry on too much if he is not grabbed too soon but in the hills they flop and roll and roll and flop. I have caused and have been witness to a huge sampling of turkey death, and either I'm loosing my mind or... Some birds flop more than others. No matter what they are hit with.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Bingo! I'm glad somebody finally said it.