Ok guys, I think I screwed up, and I need some advice.
When I screw in my choke to my 535, there is a what appears to be a slight gap at what would be the 12:00 position. The rest of the choke seats, and I notice that this is also the case with my stock full choke as well. My Jellyhead has what feels like a slight burring in the threads, and I cleaned out the threads of the barrel and they were black and nasty. The chokes screw in very easily, so I'm not concerned I cross threaded them unless I did it prior.
My question is have I done something to screw up my gun? I think I have, but I don't know what I did. The threads in the gun feel a little rough, but not sure if that is normal. If I need to buy a new barrel, I need to know now before turkey season gets here.
Mike
Can you post a picture of the problem?
The choke may be seating inside the barrel and just not seating well where you can see. Or maybe I am not understanding the problem correctly. I would think that if the chokes screw in and out smoothly, then you haven't done anything bad there.
Take a light and look down the barrel and see if you can see any gap where the choke seats against the barrel on the inside.
There is a gap in my 835 as well, but inside it seats flush. No worries as long as the inside seats flush.
There is a slight gap on the inside. I don't know if it's an optical illusion or not. The choke doesn't appear to seat uniformly. The gap appears to be at the 12:00 position on the inside of the gun. I had a bad pattern day on sunday, and I wonder if this was the culprit?
How long did you have the SSX and how many shots did you fire with it in your gun before switching chokes?
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 05:38:13 PM
How long did you have the SSX and how many shots did you fire with it in your gun before switching chokes?
Quite a few. I can't remember how many, but I had the choke for a season. Do you think the SSX screwed up the threads?
Quote from: chatterbox on March 15, 2011, 05:40:11 PM
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 05:38:13 PM
How long did you have the SSX and how many shots did you fire with it in your gun before switching chokes?
Quite a few. I can't remember how many, but I had the choke for a season. Do you think the SSX screwed up the threads?
More than likely so my friend!!! :anim_25:
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: chatterbox on March 15, 2011, 05:40:11 PM
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 05:38:13 PM
How long did you have the SSX and how many shots did you fire with it in your gun before switching chokes?
Quite a few. I can't remember how many, but I had the choke for a season. Do you think the SSX screwed up the threads?
More than likely so my friend!!! :anim_25:
Great. Now I know why I'm getting such shot -to-shot inconsistancies. Can the barrel be fixed, or do I have to replace it?
Probably have to be replaced, but may be able to find a gunsmith to rethread it. Not sure.
Quote from: sugarray on March 15, 2011, 05:59:33 PM
Probably have to be replaced, but may be able to find a gunsmith to rethread it. Not sure.
This is getting better all the time. First the barrel, and probably the JH as well. Great.
Don't fret it!! things happen...If you have a small dental mirror use it to check how your choke is seating in the barrel on the skirt.If it isn't seating correctly,then yes it is screwed.new bbl. or cut
the one you have and re thread...Was your SSX hard to screw into your bbl. when you first got it
and did it jam up on the outside of the end of your bbl.?
I honestly can't remember if it was or not. I spin the barrel, and can see a gap at the 12 o'clock position.
chatterbox if you have any questions about it take it to your local gunsmith. he will be able to chase the threads and hopefully get them straight
Quote from: chatterbox on March 15, 2011, 05:04:22 PM
Ok guys, I think I screwed up, and I need some advice.
When I screw in my choke to my 535, there is a what appears to be a slight gap at what would be the 12:00 position. The rest of the choke seats, and I notice that this is also the case with my stock full choke as well. My Jellyhead has what feels like a slight burring in the threads, and I cleaned out the threads of the barrel and they were black and nasty. The chokes screw in very easily, so I'm not concerned I cross threaded them unless I did it prior.
My question is have I done something to screw up my gun? I think I have, but I don't know what I did. The threads in the gun feel a little rough, but not sure if that is normal. If I need to buy a new barrel, I need to know now before turkey season gets here.
Mike
Maybe I can be of help to you but I'm not sure I fully understand the problem. Have you removed your barrel and "flushed out" the muzzle end, where the choke threads into it? That's always a good idea, when a choke does not seem to be fitting properly. I'd also recommend that you use a brass brush or even a toothbrush to get into those threads and really scrub them thoroughly. Flush out any debris. It only takes a small amount of grit to clog up those fine threads.
As has been stated, all chokes are made to seat on the inside shoulder of the barrel and not the muzzle, so a gap between the muzzle and the choke is normal in most cases.
When everything is cleaned, and with your barrel removed, install your choke fully and look down the muzzle end of the barrel. You should be able to see a ring around your you choke. That's the barrel shoulder. As long as the gas skirt of your choke seats against that, actually inside that ring, you're in business.
I'm having trouble understanding the "12:00 gap" when you look down the muzzle. That sounds like the choke is crooked in the gun. Is that the case? If so, it should be crooked outside as well as inside, it seems.
You've been given good advice about having those threads chased by a gunsmith, if necessary but since you chokes go in and out easily, that puzzles me just a little bit. If the cleaning does not help it, I'd take that advice and see a gunsmith. I doubt that you'll need anything more than straightening those threads. I'd also take you JH choke with you and let him take a look at that as well.
Thanks,
Clark
How long is the barrel ? If its long enough a gunsmith can cut it off and re-thread it for a choke tube.
after talking to Mike on the phone and having him explain what is going on it sounds like the threads have been stretched.
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 15, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
after talking to Mike on the phone and having him explain what is going on it sounds like the threads have been stretched.
Just so I don't do this... How does that happen?
Quote from: whiskey on March 15, 2011, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 15, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
after talking to Mike on the phone and having him explain what is going on it sounds like the threads have been stretched.
Just so I don't do this... How does that happen?
Using an SSX choke tube!!!!
Is the choke end square? Maybe it is not true and that also could cause the gap. Do you have another choke for your gun even a factory one, if so try it and see if it too is "cocked" as I understand your question. If another choke seats square then it is the choke base that is the problem if not it is your barrel.
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: whiskey on March 15, 2011, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 15, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
after talking to Mike on the phone and having him explain what is going on it sounds like the threads have been stretched.
Just so I don't do this... How does that happen?
Using an SSX choke tube!!!!
cheap choke tubes can be the problem. when buying a choke .how many people look at the threads?? if those threads are not perfect you will have problems.
in this case i feel that the choke had been moving in and out everytime the gun was fired. it was tight enough not to blow out of the barrel but loose enough to stretch the threads. when under that type of pressure it does not take much to do major damage.
When you say "gap" do you mean if you look down the bbl with the choke in it appears flush on one side and has a reveal on the other? If so, that's very common when the bbl is improperly drilled and tapped for the choke if you will. Alot of bbls are choked off center, some so much that they have a terrible POI in relation to the POA with the bead on the rib.
I have a couple of turkey rigs that are choked off center, flush on one side and have a reveal on the other. As long as it's at least flush, it shouldn't cause a problem. If it was so bad that the choke was above the inside surface of the bbl, it could be a very big problem. When I buy shotguns now days I always look at the end of the bbl and this inside lip to make sure the reveal is the same around the bbl.
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 16, 2011, 06:00:40 AM
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: whiskey on March 15, 2011, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 15, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
after talking to Mike on the phone and having him explain what is going on it sounds like the threads have been stretched.
Just so I don't do this... How does that happen?
Using an SSX choke tube!!!!
cheap choke tubes can be the problem. when buying a choke .how many people look at the threads?? if those threads are not perfect you will have problems.
in this case i feel that the choke had been moving in and out everytime the gun was fired. it was tight enough not to blow out of the barrel but loose enough to stretch the threads. when under that type of pressure it does not take much to do major damage.
Exactly Shawn.... Chinese made + cheap = substandard quality
And because a person may of been trying to save a couple of bucks it may of ended up costing him more in the long run. Mike I hope you are able to get your gun squared away very easily. Toss that Chinese made junk in the trash before it causes more damage to your gun.
jmo
bird
Quote from: bird on March 16, 2011, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 16, 2011, 06:00:40 AM
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: whiskey on March 15, 2011, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 15, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
after talking to Mike on the phone and having him explain what is going on it sounds like the threads have been stretched.
Just so I don't do this... How does that happen?
Using an SSX choke tube!!!!
cheap choke tubes can be the problem. when buying a choke .how many people look at the threads?? if those threads are not perfect you will have problems.
in this case i feel that the choke had been moving in and out everytime the gun was fired. it was tight enough not to blow out of the barrel but loose enough to stretch the threads. when under that type of pressure it does not take much to do major damage.
Exactly Shawn.... Chinese made + cheap = substandard quality
And because a person may of been trying to save a couple of bucks it may of ended up costing him more in the long run. Mike I hope you are able to get your gun squared away very easily. Toss that Chinese made junk in the trash before it causes more damage to your gun.
jmo
bird
I sold that choke a while ago. Maybe it's like Ronny said, and the barrel has always been like this. I never checked when I bought the gun. I didn't know you had to look for things like that. So, the barrel can still be good even with the slight gap? I'm confused. Both the stock choke and the JH fit the same way. They screw in very easily, but there is a slight gapping under the rib portion, or at the 12 o'clock position.
My question is, can I still shoot it, or should I scrap it, and get another barrel. I have a barrel on order from Mossberg, but I can cancel the order.
What would you gus do?
I know Mike over the past few years has put countless rounds through various chokes so I do not see how one can point a finger at one choke unless this was noticed and occurred immediatlely while shooting through that choke..
Out side of Clark, on here I have probably put more rounds through a SSX than anyone in 4 different SSX chokes and 6 different guns and I have never experienced a choke or thread problem.
Quote from: chatterbox on March 16, 2011, 03:50:21 PM
Quote from: bird on March 16, 2011, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 16, 2011, 06:00:40 AM
Quote from: S.C.C on March 15, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: whiskey on March 15, 2011, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: VAHUNTER on March 15, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
after talking to Mike on the phone and having him explain what is going on it sounds like the threads have been stretched.
Just so I don't do this... How does that happen?
Using an SSX choke tube!!!!
cheap choke tubes can be the problem. when buying a choke .how many people look at the threads?? if those threads are not perfect you will have problems.
in this case i feel that the choke had been moving in and out everytime the gun was fired. it was tight enough not to blow out of the barrel but loose enough to stretch the threads. when under that type of pressure it does not take much to do major damage.
Exactly Shawn.... Chinese made + cheap = substandard quality
And because a person may of been trying to save a couple of bucks it may of ended up costing him more in the long run. Mike I hope you are able to get your gun squared away very easily. Toss that Chinese made junk in the trash before it causes more damage to your gun.
jmo
bird
I sold that choke a while ago. Maybe it's like Ronny said, and the barrel has always been like this. I never checked when I bought the gun. I didn't know you had to look for things like that. So, the barrel can still be good even with the slight gap? I'm confused. Both the stock choke and the JH fit the same way. They screw in very easily, but there is a slight gapping under the rib portion, or at the 12 o'clock position.
My question is, can I still shoot it, or should I scrap it, and get another barrel. I have a barrel on order from Mossberg, but I can cancel the order.
What would you gus do?
Yep, your bbl recieved a Friday evening job it sounds. If the choke lip is not hanging over the edge and into the path of the bbl, it will be fine to shoot. Remove the bbl, clean, and look through the bbl at a light through the chamber end to see if the lip of the choke hangs into the bbl, every choke. If it does not, you can shoot it. If any do, DO NOT shoot it with that choke. It could peel the choke in with one shot, and blow it out of the bbl with the next. I've only seen one choke that peeled in like that, but I'm sure there are others with some of the crap choke jobs on some shotguns. I bought a choke once that had been dropped and bent the lip in, just glad I caught it and fixed it before shooting.
I've seen a few bbls that were flush on one side and had a reveal on the other. Gun manufacturers shouldn't let them get out of the shop when they screw em up, but it happens. My 1187SM is so bad that you can't zero it with open sights.
Boy, do I feel like an idiot. I just saw the gap, and thought there was a problem. Thanks to everyone who helped me on this, and I'm going to crawl out of here with what little dignity I have left.
Sorry to have posted up such an idiotic question.
Quote from: chatterbox on March 16, 2011, 04:56:34 PM
Boy, do I feel like an idiot. I just saw the gap, and thought there was a problem. Thanks to everyone who helped me on this, and I'm going to crawl out of here with what little dignity I have left.
Sorry to have posted up such an idiotic question.
Man, that aint an idiotic question by any means. Darn good one if you ask me.
Not many folks even look in their bbls that closely.
Are you running sights on it?
I hate to say it, but as much as I love Remington guns, they are one of the worst about this very thing. Benelli is bad about it too as are many others. If they do it right, it should shoot pretty close to point of aim with the factory bead unless the choke itself is the problem. Alot of shotguns don't shoot straight even with a flush mod choke when the choke area is nonconcentric with the bore. Alot of folks bend the bbl to correct it if they insist to shoot the bead, but most times it's a crooked choke job or a choke itself. Even if it's choked true, a nonconcentric choke can throw the pattern way off of POA.
when i polished the barrel a couple weeks ago i did not see any problem. no gaps. the choke unscrewed and screwed in with ease. i was under the impression that this was something that happend at the last patterning session. well anyways i'm glad to hear that it is ok. i hate to see anyone have to spend money they do not need to. :icon_thumright:
I have the SSX for Benelli/Beretta mobil choke. I had it in my Stoeger and shot it some , but not a whole lot. I replaced it with an I/C choke and put it away in my gun vault. I recently purchased a Benelli SuperNova and thought I would try it out. It won't go past the threads. I put it away and won't use it. I'm not sure why it expanded that much???
Quote from: allchokedup on March 16, 2011, 07:02:27 PM
I have the SSX for Benelli/Beretta mobil choke. I had it in my Stoeger and shot it some , but not a whole lot. I replaced it with an I/C choke and put it away in my gun vault. I recently purchased a Benelli SuperNova and thought I would try it out. It won't go past the threads. I put it away and won't use it. I'm not sure why it expanded that much???
that is not the first time i have heard of this happening. a choke has got to withstand tremendous pressure
My 835 is the same way with a pure gold choke but never had any problems