Started 3 days ago. I was parked on a old logging road that i have hunted for several years. Every once in a while someone would be there before me and i would just go to one of my other spots. Anyway im sitting at my truck around 11:30 or so eating a sandwich when a truck with 2 out of state hunters pull up. They asked if i had been hearing anything and if i might could give them a tip on some places to check. I told them so far everything had really been slow this season and the best thing to do was just start wearing out boot leather and sooner or later they would locate some birds. They then thanked me and drove off. Fast forward to today. Im parked at this spot and getting my gear together when up drives their truck. The driver jumps out while the other guy is gathering up his things. The guy then asked where i was going this morning and i told him down this logging road. I start to head out and these two guys come sprinting by me. One hasnt even got his vest on it was in his hand. So they ran past me and out of sight around the curve. I see laying on the ground a very nice custom slate call and pick it up. It almost went home with me but i left it on the hood of their truck. I just cannot believe this took place. Whenever i pull into a place and another hunter is there i just drive to another place. The joy of public land hunting.
I would have left a note thanking them for the slate they dropped while rushing to steal my spot. I can't say that letting all the air out of their tires wouldn't have at least crossed my mind either...
An old timer who has passed away once stated that if there is ere bit of SOB in somebody it will come out when they are hunting. In your case this is pure slobbery , and complete disrespect for others. You were very nice to them. I would possibly have let air out of at least three tires in order to give them a chance to stay in the woods a little longer . Some times you just have to beat people over the head with a log when a stick doesn't work.
Sorry about your trouble hunters giving you misery . We want to enjoy the outdoor experience.
In Indiana this would be normal. In Alabama most guys are respectful and find another spot.
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I left them their call and didnt do anything to their truck even though i wanted to. I figure what goes around comes around. Maybe i will be blessed by the turkey gods for my behavior. Lol
I think you did exactly the right thing and karma will catch up to them while good things come your way.... :icon_thumright:
X2 Some people :z-dizzy:
Quote from: memert116 on March 29, 2014, 10:50:57 AM
I think you did exactly the right thing and karma will catch up to them while good things come your way.... :icon_thumright:
I've intentionally spooked birds I was working when someone was trying to cut in. I would never do that and expect the same. Where's all the guys at that scream if it's legal it's ok lol
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 29, 2014, 10:45:52 AM
I left them their call and didnt do anything to their truck even though i wanted to. I figure what goes around comes around. Maybe i will be blessed by the turkey gods for my behavior. Lol
I'd like to think I would have done the same thing, but the call accidently got stepped on when I found it. Sorry guys!!!
Had two idiots on the LBL drive around our truck one morning past me and my buddy standing on the two track and proceeded to park smack dab in the middle of the field we were getting ready to set up on.They even had the nerve to say good morning. I told then it could have been and my buddy drug me away before I had a chance to really fire them up. :character0029:
Quote from: memert116 on March 29, 2014, 10:50:57 AM
I think you did exactly the right thing and karma will catch up to them while good things come your way.... :icon_thumright:
I'm pretty sure that the guy dropping his slate call
was the karma though...
Gotta love public land idiots.............
sounds like pa
I'm pretty sure that the guy dropping his slate call was the karma though...
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EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!
LOL
It's really sad that some folks choose to act that way!!! :( :( :(
Quote from: alloutdoors on March 29, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: memert116 on March 29, 2014, 10:50:57 AM
I think you did exactly the right thing and karma will catch up to them while good things come your way.... :icon_thumright:
I'm pretty sure that the guy dropping his slate call was the karma though...
Yesssir ! The gods were delivering you a new custom slate. :icon_thumright:
What a jerk... low life lazy jerk...
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Tell me you at least yelped on the slate call and it didn't sound worth a flip..... :funnyturkey:
Before you placed it under their tire....... just kidding .....
Quote from: chatterbox on March 29, 2014, 12:01:15 PM
Gotta love public land idiots.............
Yep, they are everywhere.....
It's public land everyone has the same rights to hunt wherever they want no one has dibs on any one spot it's public land better get used to it cause it will happen again you can bet on that. This is the attitude that a lot of public land hunters have. In a way they are right but hey you want a spot get there first or go on down the road.
Stories like these make me glad I have several friendly and generous neighbors who allow me to hunt their ground.
I know guys but thats just my nature. Had i found it and not known who it belonged to it would have came home with me. I knew they dropped it and regardless of their behavior it wouldnt have been right for me to keep it. I have been chasing turkeys for 30 years and it seems like more and more people with no respect take up turkey hunting. In general i think that as a whole morals and respect is dying thing in this country. Hopefully they will go back to their home state and not louse my area up. Oh well , it is public so not really much i can do about it but vent on here. Lol. Good luck this season everyone and thanks for listening to my rant.
In Florida that won't fly -
Spots are so hush hush , it's considered rude to even ask those common questions like " hear anything"
Any communication with other hunters face to face will never work to your benefit -- they want to milk you for information , and will discard you as soon as they get what they want - next time someone walks up to you run em a good bs story - the heck with them if they want to know something they'd should have scouted before the season
First rule of turkey hunting for me when I'm near a truck is to avoid contact with other hunters , I can't tell you how many times I'm coming up to my truck or actually at my truck , I hear someone coming up the road , and I duck into the bushes just to avoid talking to them - don't tell people. NOTHING
I would stopped them right in their tracks as they were walking past me , no kidding I've done this , and I can be utterly vulgar and to the point - some common lines are.... I'm here, go away.......where the bleep bleep do you think your going.....it's important to say it firmly and stand right in the way the trail , if they gesture to get by, tell them your buddies are 100 years ahead of you , and they are making the place dangerously crowded .....
if that's don't turn them away , tell them point blank your going to ruin their hunt
Btw , what state were they from ?
Sorry to hear of your ordeal, I use to hunt harrison crawford forestry in Indiana. On opening day if you passed up an area that the parking lot had a couple of cars in and moved to your next spot only to find cars there too, and so forth, you would not get much time hunting in. In one of these parking areas there were a thousand acres to hunt, 2 cars with hunters could not hunt it all. After opening weekend and maybe the next things calm down and there is not as many hunters out. On public land everyone scouts, birds are leery and not from pre season calling. Generally there are quite a few people that know in an area where the birds roost. You just have to get in there and not crowd the bird, give your calls and let the bird decide who it goes to, busting a bird you are calling just because someone else is moving in is not very ethical on private or public land. I have had that happen to me and I always thought that the hunter busting the bird just knew by the sound of my calls that I could call better. There will always be a slob out there hunting with you, just hope you don't meet them. These type of people hopefully will not be hunting turkeys or anything else for very long, of course there is always a few who learn enough to kill turkeys. One can't think that the majority of hunters on public land are slobs, they just have no where else to go. They buy the tags, gear, guns, etc. and we benefit from the taxes that fish and wildlife agencies get from their purchases. Public land is tough to hunt, no one said it isn't, one needs to learn how to hunt it, Since 1992 I have never had a bad experience, I have had guys do as the op says, what kills me is someone setting up near a trail in and trying to flag you off. When that is the only way in to the rest of the land in that area. That is a slob and I will ignore their flash light, to get to my hunting area. Does that make me a slob, maybe in his eyes, not mine.
Sound like PA, not that I would ever do a thing like it. But I know guys who would say " They are not going to have enough spare tires"
You are a good man. That's the thing about the Golden Rule, it doesn't hinge on anything the other guy does. Hopefully your action taught them more than all the flat tires and broken windshields would have ever done.
Quote from: Vabirddog on March 29, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
You are a good man. That's the thing about the Golden Rule, it doesn't hinge on anything the other guy does. Hopefully your action taught them more than all the flat tires and broken windshields would have ever done.
:agreed:
The idea someone could damage or vandalize another person's PRIVATE property because that person exercised their right to be on PUBLIC property is disturbing.
You did the right thing returning that call.
Geez, they're just turkeys. You were there first, and ask them to be courteous. If not, as mentioned "go on down the road."
:agreed:
Quote from: Vabirddog on March 29, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
You are a good man. That's the thing about the Golden Rule, it doesn't hinge on anything the other guy does. Hopefully your action taught them more than all the flat tires and broken windshields would have ever done.
Being mean back to them would have proabbly made things worse. I have heard of folks letting out air from slobs tires. Only to come back to their truck later to have all four of there tires cut. I have hunted a lot of game lands in the state of NC. I have had my share of rude out of states and locals as well. Plus when you kill a bird do not tell no one where you killed. Not even your Moma. Cause when you do the place will be run over with hunters. After a successful hunt on one of my favorite mountain game lands when I got back to my truck there where some guys there. They were from PA. For the next week those PA guys hammered that gameland. Word got out that I killed a monster gobbler on that gameland. It was a packed parking lot ever weekend after that for a few years. I had other run in with hunters on other game lands to. The cool thing about it was that most of the time they out state hunters were too lazy to go were I hunted. I had two guys that were at the top of the mountain when I got there. To make a long story short they were rude and told me that it did not matter where I went if they heard a turkey they were going to it. No matter if it was near where I was. They went one way and I went the other way. I hike a good 2 mile away from the crazy guys. I ended up shooting a nice 2 year old that ranning into my yelping. I was a good two mile from those guys and three miles from my truck. One thing that was funny was I was on the way back to the truck. I saw one of the rude hunter up the hill. I gave him a thumbs up. He could see my dead turkey in my game bag. he just shock his head. I began whisling as I walk back to the truck. I also try to avid talking with folks I see in the gamelands. They most of the time are just fishing for info. When I do get cornered I give them some good place to go hunting. But they are no where near my spots. I have also found out the hard way is not give your friend info either. That will go and hunt those places later. I confronted a friend about him doing that. He did not think anything about it. I told him that what he had do was legal but unelthical to me. We no longer hunt together. If you do run into guys and have to talk to the do not give them any idae where you plan on hunting. They will be there in a hear beat. I always send them the other way. On gameland you have to pattern the people as much as the birds. Good Luck with your gamelands birds.
You're a good man! I don't ask for info and I don't give it. :icon_thumright:
What state were these 2 gentlemen from?
Quote from: bigbird on March 29, 2014, 05:07:05 PM
What state were these 2 gentlemen from?
Sounds like buckeye's. I don't tell anyone anything about public spots, in person or on the net.
They were down here in southwest mississippi . They came down from arkansas. Hope they dont come back in there on top of me tomorrow. Good thing is that it hasnt been any gobbling in there so maybe they didnt hear anything. I know the area very well and know the birds are in there. They arnt very vocal in my neck of the woods yet for some reason.
i would of followed them and screwed up there hunt.. i wonder if they ever got anything
I dont give out any prime info. I just stated that its been slow here this season. I didnt tell them where they could go scout. I just stated the obvious about put your feet on the ground and you will find birds. Its a 80 thousand acre national forest and wma. Also there are no designated parking areas and at least 10 thousand forest service roads and logging roads to park on. I guess when you see a truck parked at a place a couple of times you dont need to scout because someone else already did it for you lol.
no doubt s and d ur better off haveing someone drop u off
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 29, 2014, 06:00:37 PMI guess when you see a truck parked at a place a couple of times you dont need to scout because someone else already did it for you lol.
Very true. I hunt a lot of public land in NC and run into a lot of "rude" hunters, and this is what I run into most.
Guys won't get out and lay down boot leather, they'll ride the roads for a day or two and watch where people are hitting and then go to that area. It is public land, and they do buy a license, but I think the respect and manners are quickly fading from turkey hunting. In the south, quail and turkey hunting were once revered as gentlemens' sports, not any more.......
I may not have taken his call, but I woulda dang sure tried to kill a bird with it and leave it back on his truck hood with a bloody feather. :icon_thumright:
Sounds good but dont know many people who want to get up at 400 am and drive 45 min to drop me off. I have a handful of turkey hunting buddies and we hunt together some but mostly i like the solitude. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Bowbendr, you are so right. Im having a hard time right now killing one with my own call. Its all good though because i have this week off to hunt so maybe it will be better during the week.
Quote from: Old Gobbler on March 29, 2014, 01:35:44 PM
In Florida that won't fly -
I would stopped them right in their tracks as they were walking past me , no kidding I've done this , and I can be utterly vulgar and to the point - some common lines are.... I'm here, go away.......where the bleep bleep do you think your going.....it's important to say it firmly and stand right in the way the trail , if they gesture to get by, tell them your buddies are 100 years ahead of you , and they are making the place dangerously crowded .....
if that's don't turn them away , tell them point blank your going to ruin their hunt
I assume that when you have confronted people who have as much right as you do to be on that piece of "public" planet earth that you had a firearm on your hip like Matt Dillon protecting "your piece" of Dodge City. One of these days you do that and you may end up hearing banjo music if you know what I mean.
Those tactics might "fly in FL", but not everywhere sir. One of these days you might mouth off to someone who happens to be a Game Warden who is hunting on his day off. I imagine your day will go downhill fast if you say the things you said above. :z-twocents:
To the OP....thank you for doing the right thing.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 29, 2014, 06:11:07 PM
Sounds good but dont know many people who want to get up at 400 am and drive 45 min to drop me off. I have a handful of turkey hunting buddies and we hunt together some but mostly i like the solitude. Thanks for the suggestion though.
yea thats true i dont think i know anyone either. u might put a white bag or something on ur door to try and make people think u broke down
I've had guys pull in behind me, get their gear together in a hurry, and go racing down a logging road without ever saying a word to me.
I slowly walked in and right past their decoy spread in the middle of the logging road and just calmly said, "Mornin' Fellas" and kept right on walking. I'm not sure what else they were expecting really?
We often thought about making up a sign that said, "Does not hunt well with others." to put on our rear truck windows.
Sounds like Buckeyes??? Wow. I hunt multiple states each year and would give up my morning in any state that I hunt to call in a bird for someone that may need help. Iv walked away from birds many times that had other hunters on them. It sucks that some hunters act like fools. I run into some every spring, usually more than once. Y'all know this happens in every state and a few run ins leave a bad impression. Someone parked by my truck last year in Tennessee and snuck in between us and a bird my 10 yr old daughter was going to kill. The bird was 40 yards when he shot. It was so loud that she thought I shot! He knew we were there. He didn't care. Truck had Tennessee plates. I don't think bad of every turkey hunter in that state. Just him. Not that he was a turkey hunter. I won't be led into foolishness by others acts of foolishness.
Perhaps a little law is appropriate here. A turkey caller lying in a road is considered abandoned property. Hopefully the former owner will believe that he lost the caller between the truck and where he hunted and spend hours looking for it. Never look a gift caller in the pot.
S and d-
You are a good man! I hope the turkey Gods bless you with a big old longbeard.
I don't share information with hunters I don't know and I sure in the heck don't ask for information, that's what scouting is for. There have been several times where I've been carrying a bird out of the woods and I'll hear rigs coming down the road towards me and I'll hide behind trees/bushes until they're gone. And then I quickly throw the bird in my canopy and make sure there aren't any feathers laying on the ground where I parked. It's too bad there are "hunters" out there that don't have respect for others.
Personally, if I see a truck parked I keep going and go to another spot ...and hope others do the same..if for no other reason than safety for myself and them as well...NO turkey.. nor deer ..nor squirrel.. is worth an accident..as stated earlier, it seems that general respect for others has greatly diminished..sadly,.even in the turkey-hunting brotherhood.. I remember the day when turkey hunters were the "elite" when it came to ethics and manners.. to the OP.. you did the right thing
Thanks everyone for telling me i did right. Not downing any other hunting, as i love hunting period,but it use to be if you were in the turkey woods, overall you and the others were in a league of there own. Not that its bad to have more people in the sport, but thanks to tv everyone wants to kill turkeys. Not much wrong with that, its just like with everything else, there are more of the slob type hunters showing up now. Just my 2 cents
I'll just about bet ya that these guys are primarily duck hunters. They are the biggest slobs known to man. There is nothing more disrespectful than trying to race a guy to his spot. Its one thing walking past a guy on a log road,but running past someone at the truck someone needs a good talking to. I share public land info with 2 maybe 3 people and those are guys that I hunt with. When I do meet someone at the truck or on a log road its a "good morning how ya soon conversation and no correct info is exchanged, on neither side I'm sure.
In the rare chance I run into someone I do ask what direction they are going and I go the opposite.
If someone shot a bird that I was working 40 yards away from me . . . . . Well he would have not got the chance to shoot
That's a really poor situation, and its unfortunate that there are people out there like that...you did the right thing....let karma get 'em! Good luck on your future hunts, I hope you're blessed with some great ones
The bird that was 40 yds from us was not in the open and I was trying to video my girl shooting him. At the shot I told her to be still and hope we weren't the next targets. You would have had to been there. With my girl there... It was scary.
Yeah bigspurs, i hear you. Bad situation to be in with your little one there especially. Some people just blow my mind with their behavior.
S&D, I'm sure your bad situation reminds many of us that there are inconsiderate people in all walks of life. I have been at it for too long to say I never messed up another's hunt. I will say that I have never done on purpose. I have walked in on set ups before when the caller was giving a bird the silent treatment. With no calling going on, I had no reason to assume there was a hunter there. If possible, I back out quietly when I know what's up. We will deal with it but it could be lessened by courtesy.
Yes it happens. If you have not accidentally walked up to someone in the woods you will. A few years ago on the first day of youth season I got going late and there was another truck in the parking spot. I could see from the truck where they were and there were birds gobbling behind them in the woods. We kept on walking. They were on the road. I knew the guy and he was mildly understanding. We were gonna be gone by the time the bird got to them. After we had sat down I heard a shot. the next day I apologized and its all good now. I will say that 99% of the time if I drive up somewhere and there is already a truck there I keep on going.
I've hunted Public lands for many years..in many States. They unspoken rule that 99% of the hunter I've met is....If a vehicle is in a spot...move on down the road...Never have I pulled off to hunt public land when someone else is parked there first..Most hunters adhere to this rule..There are slob hunters...but most States I've hunted this was the norm. LBL KY is probably the worst, but if you tell people " we're here!" , " move on down the road"!...that's usually enough.
Quote from: Dirt nap on March 29, 2014, 12:04:39 PM
sounds like pa
Except in PA the come rushing in to the bird your working and shoot iat it from behind. Happened to me twice. Ducking BBS is not fun.
I don't know where you people hunt public land, when you say if you see another car parked there you drive on, you will be driving until 10 or 10:30 when everyone else is leaving. I don't see how you can expect to pull your car into a parking area for public land, and block other people from hunting thousands of acres, just because you got there first. There is not that much public land to satisfy all the different tastes for turkey hunting. No one can hunt a thousand acres in one day by there self anyway. What do you do, park and stay in your car just to try to run people off, you should be out turkey hunting. I don't know if you have ever noticed it or not but parking areas on public land are made a lot bigger than for just one car, there is a reason for that, you need to get yourself some private land, you will be happier. I have hunted public land all my life, and never have run into an individual like you. If I had I would have left, but I would have been back with the game warden. In Indiana there is a law that deals with people hindering properly licensed individuals from legally hunting. I don't think that just because you got there first supersedes that. If I were you I would be careful, you might get up in the face of the wrong person one day, not everybody appreciates that kind of treatment. Years ago a turkey hunter could drive on to another spot, times have changed, there are a lot more turkey hunters now days, and growing every year, with the same amount of public land.
I grew up in the mtns of Va and most of my hunting was on National Forest. Back in the day people would just drive on if you were at a spot first. Not now. They will park two and three deep behind you. Most are from out of state or city folk who have just recently started hunting. I blame the nwtf for putting a lot of folks in the woods. They go to a banquet, watch a video and they are a turkey hunter. Yea I've felt like letting the air out of tires but that's not me.. I will give them a good tongue lashing if I catch them face to face. .. Some just don't know better and think it's like deer hunting.
D. Winsor. I hunt exclusively on public land and i will go to another spot if someone is parked where i planned to go. That was instilled in me by my grandfather who was a old school turkey hunter. He called that respect. Apparently the public land you hunt on is different from that in the south. Like i said previously, there is 80,000 acres with no designated parking areas. There are thousands of logging roads and forrest service roads to chose from. If you dont like them then you can park on the side of a gravel road and take off. So basically what im saying is if you knowingly go into a place someone has beat you too, then yes, it says alot about your character.
d.winsor, you're talking about an entirely different scenario. If there are only a handful of designated parking areas and you are only supposed to use those areas to access the land, then I agree you can't "claim" the parking area for yourself and you have to expect others will use it. It can be helpful to actually talk to the other hunters in those cases to try and spread everyone out in different areas. On the other hand, even in that sort of situation, asking someone that was there ahead of you where they are going to be hunting and then running past them to get there first is completely classless, anyone doing so is a slob.
On other public lands you just park on the shoulder or at the entrance to an old logging road and go, there may not be any designated parking areas at all. In those cases you should just drive down the road if you find someone already at the spot you were planning to hunt. I would try to go at least 1/2 a mile in those cases, unless it's so crowded that's not an option. In that case just spread out as best as you can.
Alloutdoors, I agree. Small blocks of land, I just move on to another area. Large WMAs and national forrest, I just try to stay spread out. I don't like the safety issue of other nearby hunters not do I like company. There are other birds that others may not walk to. I like me some walking!
I have to disagree with all this talk about letting the air out of hunters tires, or cutting them, and trying to run hunters off with strong talk, there is always going to be slobs when hunting public land. Where I hunt you can only park in designated areas, you have no other options, you cannot park on the side of the road. I envy you for all the access you have to public land where you hunt, it must be nice. If I meet another in the parking lot everyone know where the other will be, before going in. The access points are gated also, to keep people from driving in.
I hunt over 600,000 acres of public land. When you see a truck parked, you move on unless you are an inconsiderate slob (There are no parking areas). I have lived in this area a long time and know about 25% of the people that pull up. I have even shared info with a few of them, and we agreed to not go past a certain point if a bird is gobbling (like I will stay west of this creek, you stay east) because we arrived at the same time. I all but gave all the info needed for two different guys to get their son a bird - no sweat, it is just a turkey. I also believe you will not be punished in the afterlife for lying about hunting or fishing-sure hope I am right about that, cause I may be warm for a long time if I am wrong.
With that being said, it is better to be pissed off than pissed on. I would not go all OK Corral on anyone, but when those two yahoos did that, I would have said "Not cool-poor ethics. I would never do that to anyone" and moved on. I duck hunt and I have learned you are not gonna teach a grown man anything that his Momma or Daddy did not already teach them. But I would let them know that they are being classless and inconsiderate. I have done it dozens of times. Maybe once or twice someone had enough personal ethics to feel bad about it later. I would say the same thing to a Game Warden if he or she did it to me. No law against telling someone they are being a jerk.
I agree with not keeping the call. Stealing is stealing, regardless of what the law says. I may have left a note that said 'This is how a gentleman behaves, here is your call you dropped when you were hustling past me acting like a slob hunter" or something to that effect. Maybe they were duck hunters that just did not know better (or deer hunters or just plain dumb).
Quote from: d.winsor on March 30, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
I don't know where you people hunt public land, when you say if you see another car parked there you drive on, you will be driving until 10 or 10:30 when everyone else is leaving. I don't see how you can expect to pull your car into a parking area for public land, and block other people from hunting thousands of acres, just because you got there first. There is not that much public land to satisfy all the different tastes for turkey hunting. No one can hunt a thousand acres in one day by there self anyway. What do you do, park and stay in your car just to try to run people off, you should be out turkey hunting. I don't know if you have ever noticed it or not but parking areas on public land are made a lot bigger than for just one car, there is a reason for that, you need to get yourself some private land, you will be happier. I have hunted public land all my life, and never have run into an individual like you. If I had I would have left, but I would have been back with the game warden. In Indiana there is a law that deals with people hindering properly licensed individuals from legally hunting. I don't think that just because you got there first supersedes that. If I were you I would be careful, you might get up in the face of the wrong person one day, not everybody appreciates that kind of treatment. Years ago a turkey hunter could drive on to another spot, times have changed, there are a lot more turkey hunters now days, and growing every year, with the same amount of public land.
This ^^^^^^^
Quote from: turkey john on March 30, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
I blame the nwtf for putting a lot of folks in the woods.
UNBELIEVABLE ^^^^^ :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
smh
Old Gobbler gave the best advise in his comment that I've heard in years.. Keep quiet!!!
I caught on a long time ago, don't tell anyone anything, scout hard and always keep that one gobbler in your back pocket. From about now till opening day, I keep a log of the birds I hear, location, weather, how many hens and just about anything else you might imagine.
I don't even show it to my wife. Haha.
Heed Old Gobbler's advice.
Huge difference between parking in a parking area and parking beside someone on the side of the road or logging road. I predominately hunt public and I've seen it all. Folks lose their minds when it comes to hunting sometimes. I have never and will never park beside another hunter as in the situation S & D described, but I've had it done to me multiple times.
I believe the majority of these instances are with folks that are newer to hunting and maybe didn't grow up hunting. No one ever taught them any better. They need to be told and hopefully they learn from it. I really get great enjoyment from placing a turkey feather on someone's windshield.
I agree with the notion of "it's not a lie" when discussing hunting. ;D. I'm like others, I try my hardest to avoid others while near a road or truck and simply don't want to talk to anyone. I'm not selfish and have helped plenty of others kill turkeys over the years. But, it's on my terms of who I choose to help and too many folks want a short cut and don't want to invest time and effort in learning themselves. I've quit hunting a few spots because a "friend" or "acquaintance" claimed it as their own after me taking them there. Yep, for some of you guys that's their right, but it still don't make it right no matter how you dice it. I could go on all day.
These forums and the internet are fun, but way too much "I heard 47 gobblers on XYZ WMA this morning". But, that's a whole other subject in itself......
Turkey are in the same general area every year where I hunt, you don't have to tell anyone, and you don't have to do any scouting. If anybody has been hunting the land also they know where the birds are too. Moving to another spot and it is the same thing, etc. etc. So with public land trying to keep the location of gobblers to yourself is futile. Everybody has the same information. I guess that is why some get out of their cars and run in.
There is one more thing I have to say and I'll be done with this thread. When it gets to the point that some people try to control the public lands to hunt, and other people have the air let out of their tires, in one fashion or another. Or some hunters try to run off other hunters by towering over them and being abusive, and no telling what else. When all this gets back to the state, they will have to correct the situation of public land being over crowded. More than likely the state will initiate a lottery or draw hunt for turkey and deer hunting. That way the public land will have controlled numbers, and no one will have a reason to be mad at anyone else. In that set up one might go a couple of years or more without being able to hunt public land. Just something for everyone to think about. It may come to that anyway because as I said there are more and more hunters every year, and the public land is not growing with the numbers, The more reasons the state has, the quicker it will happen.
It's common courtesy , first come first served - it's public property and anyone can hunt anywhere they deem fit , but when they bump up on top of you that's not only rude , it's dangerous - I wouldn't do it to another person , so I expect they wouldn't do it to me
Some spots are known to be crowded , so I avoid them , when I park up my truck 5 miles away from the nearest person , and another person just parks up on me like I don't exist or matter - that's when there is going to be hard feelings - it's like they are saying " you don't matter" - I used to have a group of hunters who would look for my truck and hunt the spots when I wasn't there , I simply just park my truck and walk a mile or two these days
I'm not touching another persons property - that's stupid
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 30, 2014, 02:24:14 PM
D. Winsor. I hunt exclusively on public land and i will go to another spot if someone is parked where i planned to go. That was instilled in me by my grandfather who was a old school turkey hunter. He called that respect. Apparently the public land you hunt on is different from that in the south. Like i said previously, there is 80,000 acres with no designated parking areas. There are thousands of logging roads and forrest service roads to chose from. If you dont like them then you can park on the side of a gravel road and take off. So basically what im saying is if you knowingly go into a place someone has beat you too, then yes, it says alot about your character.
Well put spitten and drummen to the above statement.
Quote from: CT Spur Collector on March 30, 2014, 05:20:30 PM
Old Gobbler gave the best advise in his comment that I've heard in years.. Keep quiet!!!
I caught on a long time ago, don't tell anyone anything, scout hard and always keep that one gobbler in your back pocket. From about now till opening day, I keep a log of the birds I hear, location, weather, how many hens and just about anything else you might imagine.
I don't even show it to my wife. Haha.
Heed Old Gobbler's advice.
I do the same but if people keep seeing your vehicle parked in the same place they can put 2 and 2 together. It's up to them to figure out if I'm hunting near the road or 2 miles back or just parking there and walking the road to another area :D
Quote from: d.winsor on March 30, 2014, 07:05:56 PM
Turkey are in the same general area every year where I hunt, you don't have to tell anyone, and you don't have to do any scouting. If anybody has been hunting the land also they know where the birds are too. Moving to another spot and it is the same thing, etc. etc. So with public land trying to keep the location of gobblers to yourself is futile. Everybody has the same information. I guess that is why some get out of their cars and run in.
Not here. It can be loaded with birds one year then not a track the next. Food sources are the reason here. Ohio has the most screwed up road system I've seen. You can't walk a half a mile without running into another road. Whereas here in va there may be only one way in to access several thousand acres
It took me YEARS to get good enough with my calling so I could become a guide for Outfitters; I now guide and hunt for FREE on some some of the BEST turkey hunting spots there is; say what you want, call me names if you will, BUT if you want it BAD enough and are willing to WORK HARD enough, you can do the EXACT same that I am doing then you won't have to hunt public land at all; it will not be handed to you, it's called WORK; it paid off for me and it will pay off for you if you want it bad enough.
I would have started jogging right beside them and asked them where they were going so quickly. :z-guntootsmiley:
Quote from: rempumpman on March 30, 2014, 11:16:21 PM
It took me YEARS to get good enough with my calling so I could become a guide for Outfitters; I now guide and hunt for FREE on some some of the BEST turkey hunting spots there is; say what you want, call me names if you will, BUT if you want it BAD enough and are willing to WORK HARD enough, you can do the EXACT same that I am doing then you won't have to hunt public land at all; it will not be handed to you, it's called WORK; it paid off for me and it will pay off for you if you want it bad enough.
I don't see how you could juggle work, family, guiding and still have time for yourself to be behind the gun. Unless your retired.
Folks on here saying that the best thing to do is not say anything at all are correct.
It is sad that we've gotten to that point, though. It sure would be nice to be able to talk to people about their seasons without them having to get all defensive or fearful of losing their spot. Shame on the wreckless types that have made things this way.
Some people hear a gobble and lose all sense of respect and decency...
Quote from: d.winsor on March 30, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
I don't know where you people hunt public land, when you say if you see another car parked there you drive on, you will be driving until 10 or 10:30 when everyone else is leaving. I don't see how you can expect to pull your car into a parking area for public land, and block other people from hunting thousands of acres, just because you got there first. There is not that much public land to satisfy all the different tastes for turkey hunting. No one can hunt a thousand acres in one day by there self anyway. What do you do, park and stay in your car just to try to run people off, you should be out turkey hunting. I don't know if you have ever noticed it or not but parking areas on public land are made a lot bigger than for just one car, there is a reason for that, you need to get yourself some private land, you will be happier. I have hunted public land all my life, and never have run into an individual like you. If I had I would have left, but I would have been back with the game warden. In Indiana there is a law that deals with people hindering properly licensed individuals from legally hunting. I don't think that just because you got there first supersedes that. If I were you I would be careful, you might get up in the face of the wrong person one day, not everybody appreciates that kind of treatment. Years ago a turkey hunter could drive on to another spot, times have changed, there are a lot more turkey hunters now days, and growing every year, with the same amount of public land.
Not to be an or start a feud but dude come on what an attitude towards other hunters, there is always somewhere else to go on down the road,any true turkey hunter has backup plans. So you park where someone else has already and move in on the them and ruin there hunt and you think thats ok it's public land? I was wondering how many run in with other hunters you have had? You must drive a different vehicle every time you go hunting lol.This is the kind that make hunting public land suck! I'm glad that more people do not think like you. I get to a spot early so I can hunt there without the hassles of someone coming in on me. You wanted a response you got one.
Quote from: BigGobbler on March 31, 2014, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: d.winsor on March 30, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
I don't know where you people hunt public land, when you say if you see another car parked there you drive on, you will be driving until 10 or 10:30 when everyone else is leaving. I don't see how you can expect to pull your car into a parking area for public land, and block other people from hunting thousands of acres, just because you got there first. There is not that much public land to satisfy all the different tastes for turkey hunting. No one can hunt a thousand acres in one day by there self anyway. What do you do, park and stay in your car just to try to run people off, you should be out turkey hunting. I don't know if you have ever noticed it or not but parking areas on public land are made a lot bigger than for just one car, there is a reason for that, you need to get yourself some private land, you will be happier. I have hunted public land all my life, and never have run into an individual like you. If I had I would have left, but I would have been back with the game warden. In Indiana there is a law that deals with people hindering properly licensed individuals from legally hunting. I don't think that just because you got there first supersedes that. If I were you I would be careful, you might get up in the face of the wrong person one day, not everybody appreciates that kind of treatment. Years ago a turkey hunter could drive on to another spot, times have changed, there are a lot more turkey hunters now days, and growing every year, with the same amount of public land.
Not to be an or start a feud but dude come on what an attitude towards other hunters, there is always somewhere else to go on down the road,any true turkey hunter has backup plans. So you park where someone else has already and move in on the them and ruin there hunt and you think thats ok it's public land? I was wondering how many run in with other hunters you have had? You must drive a different vehicle every time you go hunting lol.This is the kind that make hunting public land suck! I'm glad that more people do not think like you. I get to a spot early so I can hunt there without the hassles of someone coming in on me. You wanted a response you got one.
You go where I lived in indiana or virginia and you would have a new experience, This is the only forum I am on where people talk like you, you give turkey hunters a bad name, your all helpful on the forums or act like you are and when you hit the woods, your worst nightmare is having someone park next to you, or see another turkey hunter in the woods, get a life, Your biggest thrill is trying to belittle people. You wait for first blood to be drawn and then you jump in. You were just taught to turkey hunt by the wrong people. I never cease to be amazed at you people inferring that you or someone will damage peoples cars.
LoL yep your right!!!
If that has p you off then you haven't hunted public land in the north east!!! That little shanangins you just described happens to me every time I go hunting... It's a way of life for me... So now ya all know why I act the way I do yo
I think Big and dwin are describing two different types of turkey hunting-meaning two types of public land areas. Where I hunt too, if you park somewhere, it is just plain expected you will be left alone. I understand it is not that way where you hunt dwin as there are only few designated parking areas. You are both right about where you hunt and both wrong about where the other guy hunts.
You act like we are wrong for thinking it is logical to leave us alone dwin, but where I hunt, it is the norm. I understand it is different for you, but that certainly does not mean we were taught wrong. We were taught different.
You don't hunt public land and expect to be left alone, There is always the chance of some one walking up on you Unintentionally, You can't park and expect no one else to not park near you. There is not that much public land and you try to monopolize a very large part of it with your ethics and your own use. You show me one part of the regulations governing public land hunting for your state that says you can run people off or damage their cars if they park next to you and hunt YOUR area, and then monopolize public hunting ground. That is your own outdated ethics, and greed, Show me that and I won't have any other opinions on this matter. Let me ask you this, how many birds can be legally taken where you hunt. After you kill your first bird do you back out and make room for some one else to hunt, Or are you there bright and early the next day. If you can only kill one bird do you notify the next individual in your pecking order that he can have your spot? Thus controlling public land even more yet, Where is your ethics on this one. Bottom line is somewhere along the line you have developed your own rules, As long as you can bully people they will stand, at least where you hunt. I'm glad you are not around me.
I think you have confused me with someone else.
QuoteYou don't hunt public land and expect to be left alone, Did I say I expected to be left alone? There is always the chance of some one walking up on you Unintentionally, Happens all the times, both ways. If I do that to someone, I will look elsewhere You can't park and expect no one else to not park near you. I do as I do the same to others There is not that much public land Wrong again Ace. I said I hunt a public tract that contains, at the time of this writing 585,000 acres. And it is just one of the WMAs near me. and you try to monopolize a very large part of it with your ethics I don't think I am monopolizing anything. If someone beats me to where I wanted to go, I say good job and move on. Expecting 1-200 acres to move on almost 600,000 is so far from monopolizing, I am not even sure you are comprehending what I am typing and your own use. You show me one part of the regulations governing public land hunting for your state that says you can run people off or damage their cars if they park next to you ummm, I never said I would run anyone off or damage their cars. I said only that I would explain to them that what they are doing is unethical or maybe just rude and hunt YOUR area, and then monopolize public hunting ground. That is your own outdated ethics, and greed,Sounds to me like you are justifying your own actions. I do not expect anything other than what I practice, every day of the season Show me that and I won't have any other opinions on this matter. Let me ask you this, how many birds can be legally taken where you hunt.2 per spring season, one per day After you kill your first bird do you back out and make room for some one else to hunt, Or are you there bright and early the next day. If there is a gobbler still there, bright and early If you can only kill one bird do you notify the next individual in your pecking order that he can have your spot? Notify someone I do not know? That is dumb, I assume you mean after I kill my second bird. If I know where a gobbler is, I have many times notified someone I know, twice I did it for a father/son hunt and I had not even killed a bird yet so the boy could kill a bird Thus controlling public land even more yet, Where is your ethics on this one. I don't owe someone I do not know to point them out where a gobbler is. Are you saying you do that? I doubt that very seriously Bottom line is somewhere along the line you have developed your own rules, Wrong, I have developed my own ethics. Ethics and rules are two different things. There are things that happen all the time that are perfectly legal but just rude. Like pulling in front of someone on an oyster bar and cutting them off from the redfish. Like pulling in at last legal light duck hunting and setting up 50 yards from someone. None of that is illegal, but it is unethical. I don't do it to others and I expect the same consideration in return. It so happens that I share my ehtics with a majority of folks where I hunt and fish, but that is immaterial as they are MY ethics. I sleep fine at night. As long as you can bully people they will stand, at least where you hunt. I have never bullied anyone (well, not since grade school I reckon). Pointing out someone is being rude is not my definition of being a bully, but if you say so I can live with it I'm glad you are not around me. And finally, on this one point, we totally agree. :toothy9:
Your ethics would not fly where I hunt, but there are plenty of people that share them. Like I said, I know nothing of where you hunt, but then again I am not judging you, you are judging me.
Quote from: KYHeadhunter02 on March 30, 2014, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: rempumpman on March 30, 2014, 11:16:21 PM
It took me YEARS to get good enough with my calling so I could become a guide for Outfitters; I now guide and hunt for FREE on some some of the BEST turkey hunting spots there is; say what you want, call me names if you will, BUT if you want it BAD enough and are willing to WORK HARD enough, you can do the EXACT same that I am doing then you won't have to hunt public land at all; it will not be handed to you, it's called WORK; it paid off for me and it will pay off for you if you want it bad enough.
I don't see how you could juggle work, family, guiding and still have time for yourself to be behind the gun. Unless your retired.
BINGO! my thoughts exactly...looks good on paper...in the real world..how do make income and get paid to ' practice your calling".....Sounds like some made up story a 12 yr old came up with...and it took you YEARS to learn how to call a turkey...wow
Quote from: d.winsor on March 30, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
I don't know where you people hunt public land, when you say if you see another car parked there you drive on, you will be driving until 10 or 10:30 when everyone else is leaving. I don't see how you can expect to pull your car into a parking area for public land, and block other people from hunting thousands of acres, just because you got there first. There is not that much public land to satisfy all the different tastes for turkey hunting. No one can hunt a thousand acres in one day by there self anyway. What do you do, park and stay in your car just to try to run people off, you should be out turkey hunting. I don't know if you have ever noticed it or not but parking areas on public land are made a lot bigger than for just one car, there is a reason for that, you need to get yourself some private land, you will be happier. I have hunted public land all my life, and never have run into an individual like you. If I had I would have left, but I would have been back with the game warden. In Indiana there is a law that deals with people hindering properly licensed individuals from legally hunting. I don't think that just because you got there first supersedes that. If I were you I would be careful, you might get up in the face of the wrong person one day, not everybody appreciates that kind of treatment. Years ago a turkey hunter could drive on to another spot, times have changed, there are a lot more turkey hunters now days, and growing every year, with the same amount of public land.
I'm from Indiana...You're the exception not the rule.
I just did a quick check. Within 1 hour and 15 minutes from my front door, for the price of a $26 managment stamp there are 826,734 acres that can be hunted. Let that sink a bit before you tell me I should have no problem with someone pulling up where I am parked and racing me to my spot. Over 3/4 of a MILLION acres in less than a 1.5 hour drive. In the least populated area of the state.
Well, to all you that got your hackles up, I'll be out there, on public land this spring. If you see me, I'll wave and if we talk, I'll wish you well. If you spook a bird from me...grrr.. I'll get over it. Hope I don't spook yours. It could happen. However y'all work it out is fine. Have a good spring.
My hackles are down. Good luck to you this spring brother. May the gobblers all be huge and dumb that you encounter.
You too. Double bearded 25 pounders with a deathwish.
You know, there's nothing all the anti hunters @ anti gun folks like better than to see us law obiding hunters and outdoors men fighting among ourselves, we have enough trouble just hanging on to our right to enjoy this great sport, so let's just try to keep things in perspective and let this petty stuff go!!!
Sounds to me like you people pass the hunting spots down, based on pecking order or family. You can try to belittle me all you want, It is not working, The majority of post on this forum have been about running people off when they park near or next to you, and the only way you can do that is to sit in your car waiting for them, when you should probably be hunting turkeys, you have no legal right to tell people to move on. Not on public land. Then there has been a lot of Implications about letting out the air of turkey hunters cars or damaging the hunters cars. Along with your ethics (rules). Oh you don't run people off, you just intimidate them, good move. This thread has come to the point where it is going in circles, I am generally addressing the thread. you generally state what has been said, I will address your post as such. I don't know you or what your action or ethics are, I am addressing this thread don't take it so personal. Indiana I will address you personally, where did you hunt private or public land and what part of the state did you hunt, I hunted quite a bit of it deer hunting, turkey hunting, and running my beagles for rabbits all on public land and not all in the same place. To my knowledge you park in parking designated areas, and I would be so bold as to say all of indiana is like that. The reason for that is four wheelers would park on the side of the road and leave large ruts getting out. Or they would pull off the road into a logging trails and block it. For you to have such parking privileges in Indiana I would say you are the exception to the rule. Because you surly didn't park in hunter designated areas. I don't think you were big enough to run all the other hunters out of the parking area. Get real. I said it before and I'll say it again, give me one regulation from your state that says one can run off other hunters because you don't like them parking next to you. Also quote one regulation dealing with public land that says you can let the air out of parked cars, or damage their vehicles. Also I wonder if they know public land is blocked up by the pecking order method, that would be interesting. Maybe it is about time for public land to be hunted with lotteries. I guess you people really hate out of state hunters that don't know your ethics, (rules). Keep it coming guys, at first I was Aggravated but now I am starting to enjoy this. I keep wondering how the next post is going to Justify breaking regulations for public land hunting, could be federal, or state regulations. buy the way sometimes I am up a couple of hours early in the morning.
^^^^ Still whoopin that horse :deadhorse: ^^^^^^^^
Geeez...go scouting or hunting or something. This childish arse arguing thats ate this forum up the past few weeks is gettin on peoples nerves....OG....drama free.......there, I said it. You're welcome. :icon_thumright:
OK brother, You win, I give. It is not like you will ever be near me, nor me you. We will all hunt the way you hunt in Indiana, all stacked on top of each other. Let's all sing Kumbuya. Enjoy your season, I will mine.
My hackles were never up, I just find it hard to believe what I have been reading, still no hackles. I just want a little justification for what people say other than their opinion. The regulations that govern the use of public land is not opinionated. I am just glad I never had the money to hunt much out of state public land, no telling what other unwritten rules are out there. I use to think I could check with fish and wildlife and get their regulations of a particular state before I would hunt, also in each state if you are going to hunt WMA's and such you have to get their regulations also. Lets not forget the federal land. after reading the posts to this thread I just wonder if these unwritten rules should be posted in the regulations also. It is hard to hunt with using one set of regulations and then wonder about unwritten rules based on a buba plan also.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen
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I don't do you tube, if you have anything to add to this discussion say it. I don't expect people to give in to me ! If you don't have anything to say stop posting. I expect people to post something that will change my mind. Right now that would be a hunting regulation for the state and public land that they hunt, saying what they do is legal. I don't care how many times some one wants to post that they don't want people parking next to them on public land, and they talk to other hunters in a reasonable manner telling them to move on, or flat out state that they stand over hunters and talk in an abusive manner telling a hunter to move on, then if that doesn't work infer that they will let the air out of other hunters tires or damage their car in some way. It is my opinion right now that the state you are in needs to clean house on the public land, and make room for new blood, be it in state hunters or out of state hunters. I didn't join this forum for nothing, I joined it because I felt I could help some new hunter break in to hunting, to give my 2 cents worth along with everyone else. My problem is when I hear BS I just can't let it go. In my opinion what people have stated that they practice, and passing on hunting spots to friends and family like a pecking order is BS. When you read my post It is very clear what I am saying. People try to belittle others who have a strong case against them. They think it strengthens their stance. It doesn't, why don't you people address what I have posted. There have been a few post in this thread saying they would agree with me if there was designated parking where I hunted public land, I could probably have let it go at that, if it were not for all these ethical (rules) hunters trying to belittle me. The more I learned the more I found out it was BS and I am calling it. Now I'll continue this discussion as long as it takes, If you don't have anything new to add just stop posting, I have heard it all. If you are abusive and try to make me look bad, you need not post, I will ignore you. I am looking for post that will support the actions as stated in this post, which I think summarizes the thread. If I am wrong some one chime in. I really like this thread, it gives new hunters a new understanding of what goes on in this world of hunting. Don't think it doesn't go on with deer hunting also. Also there are probably a lot of seasoned hunters getting an ear full. Myself I had no Idea stuff like this existed.
d.windsor, nobody is trying to change your mind, because (generally speaking) you are right (about the one type of instance that you keep bringing up). When there are a limited number of designated parking spots then of course multiple people are going to use them. NOBODY IS ARGUING AGAINST THAT. Nobody is talking about trying to stake out a parking lot made for 20 vehicles and claim it as their own.
What people are talking about is pulling off at some random spot on the shoulder of a road in the middle of nowhere and having some other yahoo pull up behind them and follow them into the woods like a stupid puppy dog when you could literally drive a mile down the road in either direction and not find another soul. In cases where there is plenty of land to go around there is absolutely no reason to do something like that. If you honestly can't see the problem with that behavior then I can only assume you are one of the puppy dogs.
Nobody is trying to bully anyone out of a spot. The part you don't seem to grasp is that the people who are upset by that type of behavior are upset because it's something they would never do to someone else. It's not because someone is hunting "their" spot. If they drove up and found someone already parked where they wanted to hunt they would just go some place else, all they want is the same respect in return.
You asked why people aren't addressing what you have posted, and frankly it's because your posts have mostly been nonsensical rants against a straw man position which you alone have created. Here's a hint: there's a world of difference between joking about letting the air out of some jerks tires and actually doing it. Feel free to keep fighting the good fight against all the evil tire deflators that you think are on this forum though... :deadhorse:
I was not talking about someone pulling off the road, as I said you can't do that where I hunt. No one said they pulled of the road to park. I am not worried about being bullied out of a spot. I have never seen a puppy dog, in Indiana, they have laws for people that interfere with licensed hunters, I would say the puppy dogs are breaking the law. Nonsensical rants, straw man position, evidently you have not read this whole thread much less my last post, or you really don't care. As far as your hint, it didn't sound to me like they were joking, about the tires, cars or running other hunters down the road. I specifically remember a LOL about other hunters cars, in one post. I appreciate your post but other than a few well placed jabs, I didn't get anything out of it. I know why people are not addressing my post, they have been to busy belittling me, trying to justify their position, by trying to make me look less than intelligent, so it would make their position stronger. They have no defence for their posting I don't think anyone said they were kidding. Your post is trying to justify everything they said, in any context, including a few well placed jabs yourself. I know what posts were placed and the context that was put forth. I am not going to get into a battle of words with you, My last post stands as written. The context of my last post is not out of place, read the thread. Now see I didn't try to belittle you or jab you once.
Sprinting past a guy that's on his way to a spot just to beat him there may not make them a law breaker or an unethical hunter but it 100% makes them an..........
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No one said a sprinter was not unethical as for a law breaker you will have to talk to a Conservation officer. If the guy was on the main trail walking in, he has no gripe, he could sprint too. I don't think the sprinter would have any idea where the guy was going. Unless the sprinter was the guys friend then you would probably be right. If he was set up I would say you have a point. In any event I don't think I can help you.
I turkey hunt public land 99% of the time, deer hunt it 1% of the time, and hog hunt it 100% of the time and I'm tired of this thread.
you and me both, but there must be a lot of interested people reading this thread that is not tired of it 1500 +, if you are tired of it why do you tune in and post.
Sounds like a group of hunters that make all the anti-hunters out there get bad impressions of us.
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Quote from: d.winsor on April 01, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
you and me both, but there must be a lot of interested people reading this thread that is not tired of it 1500 +, if you are tired of it why do you tune in and post.
That was a subtle hint for y'all to stop arguing about it.
I'm not worried about anti-hunters they lost their bid years ago, what I am worried about is what turkey hunters say.
I am not arguing just stating what people said in their post, I have no argument, I don't win anything. If everyone wants to close this thread right now, I would be happy with that.
Anyone been troll fishing LOL