Looks like we're gonna be able to use sound suppressors ( aka silencers) for hunting in GA. What's the word on sub-sonic turkey loads? I'm thinking along the lines of a 20ga so my kids will never know the sound of tinnitus ringing their ears.
I was thinking the same thing!
Quote from: howl on March 21, 2014, 09:52:58 AM
Looks like we're gonna be able to use sound suppressors ( aka silencers) for hunting in GA. What's the word on sub-sonic turkey loads? I'm thinking along the lines of a 20ga so my kids will never know the sound of tinnitus ringing their ears.
Amen to that. The speed of sound is about 1125 fps. Most turkey loads are slightly faster. I'd bet that the sound blocked by the suppressor would be significant even if you did get a sonic crack from the supersonic load.
You should also consider electronic muffs. I've been using a pair of Peltor 6s for years with excellent results.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Peltor-Tactical-Hearing-Protector/dp/B00009363P
I own suppressors, but shotgun suppressors are virtually non existent.
I own suppressors as well, and while a can on a shotgun sounds cool... you have two significant problems to deal with.
#1. The required size of a shotgun suppressor would be quite large and heavy.
#2. The risk of a baffle strike is very real, and depending on its severity can reduce the suppression or completely destroy the baffles. Baffle strikes happen with single projectiles due to poorly stabilized bullets, thread misalignment and many other things. Now imagine firing several hundred projectiles at the same time. The chances of having a strike are significant.
A way around this is to open up the baffle clearance, which makes the suppressor less effective. Basically, you want a tight aperature that will safely pass the projectile, but contain and cool the expanding gasses.
Bottom line, suppressors are cool but have almost zero use on a shotgun unless you are shooting slugs. Which of course pretty much negates the point of using a shotty in the first place.
Not sure about the comments on lack of suppressors, etc. There are a full range of options for the gun already commercially available. I was just asking about the loads. Probably have to load up an ounce of tungsten at around 1000fps or a little under. :smiley-char092:
Quote from: howl on March 23, 2014, 07:07:13 PM
Not sure about the comments on lack of suppressors, etc. There are a full range of options for the gun already commercially available. I was just asking about the loads. Probably have to load up an ounce of tungsten at around 1000fps or a little under. :smiley-char092:
Post some links to these shotgun suppressors, I've never seen any out there
People watch too many movies and stupid reality shows, and think suppressors on shotguns are a good idea. Please tell me you're not looking at anything made by the idiots at Red Jacket Firearms. Those guys are a bunch of fudds!
I still stand by my earlier assessment of a suppressed shotgun. A proper can would be so large and cumbersome, any sound reduction will not be worth the hassle. Also, you run a risk of baffle strikes which can render your investment of time and money basically worthless.
Quote from: howl on March 21, 2014, 09:52:58 AM
Looks like we're gonna be able to use sound suppressors ( aka silencers) for hunting in GA. What's the word on sub-sonic turkey loads? I'm thinking along the lines of a 20ga so my kids will never know the sound of tinnitus ringing their ears.
A few years ago Hastings made a "Metro Gun" barrel that was promoted by L.P.Brezny. I believe that either George Trulock or Jay Menefee brought one to the World Championship Still Target Shoot in either 2000 or 2001, not to shoot but just to show everyone.
It was designed to shoot waterfowl in urban areas and reportedly lowered the blast to something acceptable even without earplugs. The down side was that it was very long, maybe 3' or 4' and screwed into your existing barrel in place of a choke tube, then you put your choke tube into that.
They did get an ATF ruling that is was not a suppressor or silencer so it was legal without special tax, etc.
I have no idea if they are still made or available. I considered it more of a curiosity than a real tool however. That would be especially true for turkey hunting.
I do like long barrels but...
Thanks,
Clark
I'd say you are better off buying a good, quality pair of ear muffs for your kids.
sound good to me
http://www.chaos-arms.com/shotgun-suppressors.html
http://www.metrogun.com/orion.html
Quote from: BIGGUS on March 25, 2014, 11:36:21 PM
http://www.chaos-arms.com/shotgun-suppressors.html
http://www.metrogun.com/orion.html
Very interesting.
Thanks,
Clark
Hevi shot is 1090 fps as is for many of their loads but as for an oil filter stuck on the end of my barrel , no thank you.
Ear plugs, muffs, cotton, but no silencers. As our generation gets older we won't be able to hear thunder so we won't be bothered by loud noises anyway. :funnyturkey:
Quote from: BIGGUS on March 25, 2014, 11:36:21 PM
http://www.chaos-arms.com/shotgun-suppressors.html
http://www.metrogun.com/orion.html
Neat concept, but few people realize how much weight 2.5 pounds is when its hanging off the end of your barrel. Not to mention the added length of the suppresor itself. At 2-3 inches in diameter, you better be running a scope or red dot sight as the size of the suppressor will block your barrel mounted sights.
Its your money, but for $1000 for the can plus $200 for the nfa tax stamp, you could buy a really nice pair of electronic hearing muffs and have about $1000 left over. I understand that suppressors are cool, and can be addictive. I own 3 myself and have plans for more. Shotguns are a different story though, and suffer highly diminishing returns.