How many folks have actually killed a turkey(s) with the follow-up shot after missing on the first? (not a wounding first shot, but a clean miss)
was discussing with a buddy about shells......I'm shooting 3" HS Mag Blend and mentioned loading a couple of Winchester Supreme no.4's behind it for follow ups if needed. he made the point that it probably doesn't matter since you'd have to be a heck of a good shot (or lucky) to connect on a second shot if the first missed.
so, show of hands...
If I was worried about a miss and a follow up shot I think I would rather use the MagBlends than the 4's.Pattern density is probably going to be a lot tighter and you will have just as much if not more knockdown power.
If you miss with the first one.... There is a good chance the second is going to be equally disappointing
It's hard to say if they were clean misses, but twice I have put down a bird with a follow up shot. Both were years ago when I was first starting and was still in high school.
The first was my second turkey, a jake that was at 15 yards. Pretty sure I cleanly missed him, but knocked him out of the air stone dead with shot 2.
The next year (turkey #3) my buddy and I attempted to double on some jakes, we had a miscommunication on shot timing, he smoked his and I'm pretty sure I clean missed. I rolled him with the second shot and sent a 3rd after him as he took off flying. I watched him crash about 400 yards away and was stone dead when I got there.
Since then, I can't remember taking any follow up shots.
I have.
Quote from: jakesdad on March 10, 2014, 05:29:09 PM
If I was worried about a miss and a follow up shot I think I would rather use the MagBlends than the 4's.Pattern density is probably going to be a lot tighter and you will have just as much if not more knockdown power.
my thinking was that if a second shot presented itself, he's probably going to be running and further away so it's already a Hail Mary as it is....I'd rather have a little more range. but yeah, you make a good point.
I missed the very first gobbler I called in....I hit my mouth call, he stopped and I killed him with second shot.
I haven't ever taken a second shot. I've killed every bird I shot at, except for two that I cleaned missed. Not sure how I missed, considering I shoot a scoped barrel, but that is also why I don't go for follow up shots. The odds of finding a flying or running bird in your scope is small, so I don't even try it. I either hit, or miss. Thankfully, the vast majority have been hits. :lol:
By the time I pump another shell the bird is well out of range if I missed. Only happened once and that second shot didn't do much but make him run even faster.
I had it happen on one of my very first birds. Not sure whether I clean missed him first but stone him with the second while he was on a dead run.
many times thru the years . But not since 4-29-2013 !!
Did it twice in my second year. Both were really close so I'm pretty sure it was a clean miss. Dusted both of there heads when they took off running.
Yep. Missed one years ago at about 15 feet but he took off trotting around a deer path and dropped him with the second. I load 4s as a back up shell, thinking being If I get a bad hit (knocked down etc) with the first I want something that will break wings and legs as well as penetrate the body to imobilize the turkey. I agree with a clean miss second chances are rare and I will not shoot at a departing bird that I dont think i hit. I haven't shot a backup in years and have actually thrown out a few shells that the brass got so chewed up on going in and out.
I shot a 10 gauge single shot a follow up shot is not need or an option.
Haven't ever needed a followup shot. I realize It's not the same thing since not recovering from first shot but couple of years ago I was sitting 20 yards off a road with a bird gobbling on the otherside. I dont know what he spotted but no sooner than he stepped into the road he spooked and took off running up the road to my left. I followed his head with the red dot and pulled a bit ahead of him when he hit 40 yards. He rolled and came to a stop and never flopped. More important than what shell your using I feel is the type of sight used. Open lens reflex sight with both eyes open makes it real easy to track a moving target and know for a fact your on him. Scope, tube, barrel sights just cannot do this as well.
I have killed 4 with a second shot over the years
If you don't need a follow up shot,then you don't need a pump or automatic shotgun
I have killed several on a follow up shot after clean miss. All have been from misses aroun 8 - 15 yds and the follow up shot taken at 30 to 40yds.
I grew up in the blue ridge mountains Grouse and Quail hunting. Never took any standing still shots until I started turkey hunting. I have been struggling with this issue for a long time. I have a problem squeezing the trigger in the height of the moment and jerk it alot of the times. Countless hours shooting from the sitting position has helped over the years, just as countless hours shooting clays has helped on moving targets.
I have only missed 1 over the years with a follow up shot, maybe one day I will be able to say I used to have a problem with standing still shots. lol
I missed one at about 10 yards, clean miss, got him on the second shot when he was running away to my left.
I have
I've never killed one with a follow up shot. I've missed em clean and never got another shot. I've shot all my birds with a good clean solid first shot, not bragging, just very patient. I've let them walk also if the shot wasn't there. Again, not bragging, just not that important to me. I like to get them, don't get me wrong, just not into the unethical shot.
I have.
I've missed with the 2nd & 3rd too.
Oh, once or twice. ;D
Yes, I've killed multiple birds with a follow up shot that I did not hit with the first shot.
2 of those have been as part of doubles. Bird was already running in my first shot. Another one should have been a double, but the first shot was a wiff.
1 was a bird that got too close and I missed on the first.
1 I had a big gobbler fight break out just over the hill from me. I was able to sneak within about 75 yards of them and when I started to call, one came at a full run in to me. I missed him with the first shot but killed him with the second.
Just flat missed on 2 others that I can remember. Killed one when he stopped, killed the other when he was flying.
I'll say this about shooting a standing still turkey at 40yds or under for the ones that got away. Anyone that says they cleanly missed is probably cleanly not telling the truth. And that's playing the odds of the pattern for those that can in fact shoot a shotgun at least fairly accurately. There is a big difference between hitting a turkey and not killing it than cleanly missing one altogether with not one single pellet.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 11, 2014, 04:44:46 PM
I'll say this about shooting a standing still turkey at 40yds or under for the ones that got away. Anyone that says they cleanly missed is probably cleanly not telling the truth. And that's playing the odds of the pattern for those that can in fact shoot a shotgun at least fairly accurately. There is a big difference between hitting a turkey and not killing it than cleanly missing one altogether with not one single pellet.
I agree 100% I can see it at maybe 10yds and in but from 10 to 40 if you completely miss one you have serious issues you need to work on. Most who say they committed a clean miss put pellets in the turkey whether they want to admit it or not.
Quote from: highwaygun on March 11, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 11, 2014, 04:44:46 PM
I'll say this about shooting a standing still turkey at 40yds or under for the ones that got away. Anyone that says they cleanly missed is probably cleanly not telling the truth. And that's playing the odds of the pattern for those that can in fact shoot a shotgun at least fairly accurately. There is a big difference between hitting a turkey and not killing it than cleanly missing one altogether with not one single pellet.
I agree 100% I can see it at maybe 10yds and in but from 10 to 40 if you completely miss one you have serious issues you need to work on. Most who say they committed a clean miss put pellets in the turkey whether they want to admit it or not.
Now the truth has been spoken. If only we could get them to admit it, the truth will set them free.
I'll add if you shoot a standing turkey at 15yds to 40yds and if you in fact don't put a shot in the bird, you may want to find another sport.
Killed at least 3 after missing the first shot also killed one and shot the other one on the second shot.
My 2nd bird last year took 2 shots from my 20 gauge. He was coming in perfect and about 15 yards away, right when I was about to shoot, he saw something and turned and started running. I shot right as he took off but I wasn't on him good apparently. After the first shot, he took flight and I racked another shell in and dropped him out of the air. It was more of a reaction type thing and I couldn't believe it when he hit the ground.
I have before. But I never have nor will I load up a shell I'm not originally shooting
While you're more then likely to miss IMO you need to give yourself the best chance you got.
Quote from: tnturkey on March 12, 2014, 06:25:00 AM
I have before. But I never have nor will I load up a shell I'm not originally shooting
While you're more then likely to miss IMO you need to give yourself the best chance you got.
I think that depends on what you're shooting, I shoot 6s first shot. I back those up with 4s. If for some reason my first shot was not immediatly lethal and i have a departing wounded turkey I want something that can break wings and legs as well as possibly penetrate the body. I will most likely be shooting for turkey and likely in brush so my goal is to immobilize.
Like some of the others, Missed the first bird i ever called in/shot at. Ran back to my left and I rolled him up at about 30 yards. Before the following season I patterned my gun for the first time and found that the gun was off about 7-8 in. left at 30 yds. Shot 1 was "probably" that much behind him and shot 2 was a lucky lead that he ran into. In my youthful in-experience I did not know that a gun/choke/load needed patterning but have since learned its necessary value.
I shamefully admit I killed mine on the third shot this weekend. I am pretty sure I got a hold of him on the first one but he was turning and burning for the cypress. My buddy said he saw leaves falling after my second shot.... It ended up being the nicest bird I have ever shot so luckily I got him. I had to make a 90 degree adjustment to take the shot.
I've killed several on a second shot. If I didn't think I'd need a second shot on rare occasions --then I carry a single shot and not a pump.
I have been lucky enough not to need a second shot.
One of the second or third birds i killed starting out turkey hunting. It was a jake, he was standing in a Field and i had snuck around on him and sit down against a oak tree. Clucked a few times and he popped his head in an opening i pulled the trigger and clean missed in turn he ran about 35 yards closer at a angle amazingly and i hammered him with second shot lol
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In the early 80s, I leaned my gun against my car as I unlocked the door. The gun fell on the concrete. I called up a nice gobbler, pulled the trigger and he took off. I fired again and killed him. I checked the point of impact and discovered that I had bent the barrel. Dead on with the first shot and missed; of with the second shot and killed. Go figure.
Nc 10s story reminds me, I had taken a landowners 14 yo nephew, Set up on the edge of a field as a gobbler was roosted on over the hill a ways. Well they are approaching and it is 3 Longbeards. He had been shooting very well, killed a deer, and i tell him at 30 yds to put it on the first gobblers neck and take him. Well he shoots and i am half up on my feet, turkeys just flinch and mill around He shiucks and shoots again and they trot off. Well we chase gobblers all over the farm call in some jakes but no shots, 11 o clock I say we will check the field if nothing there we head out. Sneak up to a horse jump in the fence line and peek, 0 ,so look harder, 0, step out and a jake up the fence tries to make it to the cedars behind us. I tell him "turn around a gobbler is coming out". He flattens him on a dead run, go figure.
Quote from: Old Gobbler on March 10, 2014, 05:30:04 PM
If you miss with the first one.... There is a good chance the second is going to be equally disappointing
Pretty bold there........I killed one Wednesday on the second shot. He got too close and I sent a softball sized ball of lead right by his face. I think it gave him a heart attack cause he just stood there. He was not so lucky on the second shot.
I've done it twice that I can remember. The first time was 8 years ago, it was the first time using my new Benelli SBEII. I think I missed him clean on the first shot, he started running and was at about 35 yards when I rolled on the second shot.
Last year on opening day, my buddy and I called up a group of 4 longbeards. They ended up circling around us and came in from behind us. At one point my buddy probably could've killed 2 in one shot,but I still couldn't shoot yet. I had to lean around the tree to have a chance of getting a shot off. When the birds finally took a few more steps, we both missed our first shot and then we both dropped birds out of the air on our second shots. How crazy is that - true story!
Two seasons ago I missed a bird and then dropped it on a second shot as it ran at about 35 yards.
yep...have done that...that's why I tote a repeater..I also am from the camp that believes that "clean " misses rarely exist.. I would like to think that of the few birds that I have missed.. and didn't get a follow-up shot..that they were clean misses...but in my heart, I always fear that they are carrying some pellets..have spent hours looking for a potentially wounded bird ( thankfully only twice...found one.. lost the other)..but where I hunt it is impossible to be sure because of the thickness of the swamps..that's EXACTLY why I pattern my guns..believe it is an ethical thing to do.. I have never understood how a hunter would shoot a gun and not know how it shoots..shotgun or rifle
I flat out missed a bird in Nebraska a few years back with my first shot. He didn't booger and I was able to pump another shell and kill him with my second shot.
Best follow up shot I've ever seen was my grandson Kolbi who was 11 at the time. We were hunting out of a ground blind me, (calling) , and my 10 year old grandson Tanner and 11 yr old Kolbi. Tanner was designated shooter and I called in a nice Rio tom to about 27 yards. Tanner was using a 20 ga. Mossberg Bantam Turkey and hit the tom but not solid and he turned and ran off at about a 45 degree angle away from us. Kolbi jumped up , got his 835 out the blind window and tetched one off....bird rolled stone dead. I used laser range finder and he was 65 yds from the blind....true story...may have been one lucky pellet to the head.
And for the record I don't condone shooting a turkey from that range...we were just trying to put down a wounded bird ...and did.
Did it last season
About 20 years ago (when rifles were still legal) I hunted a problem bird all year and finally decided he needed killing so i left the 12 ga and took my 7mm rem mag deer rifle to a field I knew he might be in. He got to within 40 yards and i shot and missed, he turned and ran straight away from me as I bolted round #2 in the chamber and hit him in the back of the neck at 110 yards hauling butt straight away. If I had taken my shotgun that day it would have been an easy kill.
I have three times but twice were with an arrow and the other a buddy missed and I smashed him on his way out of town!!!
Should be no issue if you are a wing shooter, if not I would get to the clay range and practice!!!
Have not needed a second shot yet but it may happen at some point in the future. That's why I carry a pump or semi-auto.
Well I hope I don't miss with my "1st time out" TK 2000 ML, some how I don't think I'll get a second shot. :TooFunny: :mask: Oh well same issue with a bow
Hate to say it, but I've done it several times. Lots of duck hunts probably helped.
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Ya'll would come up with this topic after I buy a single shot 20 ga. :goofball:
Quote from: Tail Feathers on March 27, 2014, 08:36:34 PM
Ya'll would come up with this topic after I buy a single shot 20 ga. :goofball:
All is not lost. Missed one with my Encore and instinctively opened the action as I was getting up and retrieving another shell from my pants pocket. Re-chambered on the run and hit him with the second shot. I was shedding gear, including gun, to move faster and had to jump into a treetop where I was lucky to get a hand on his leg. After choking him to death, he was mine.
I heard a great turkey hunter once say "if you can't hit a 20 pound grouse, you have troubles". He was correct.
It can be done....I have done it twice...first time was cause I took a shot that was too long...my bad, but at the miss the bird didn't roll or go down obviously got peppered but not hurt much...he got confused and my initial instinct after shooting was to jump up and run, well I gained about 10-15 yards and when he finally got his act together and jumped to fly I smoked him like a flushing duck. That was in 2002 or 2003. Also did it last year, I was fighting my pre-installed factory sights always shooting high on my new gun. Had killed several birds but never felt like i was hitting them really hard, thought I could overcome it with aiming at waddles all the time, but on a bird at 15 yards that had just beat my decoy to hell, I whiffed, heat of the moment forgot to hold on waddles...he was unscathed and ran across the plot and hesitated just for a second and I killed him with shot #2 barely, still shot high but got a few pellets low enough. Well that night I ended up taking the factory sights off my gun and installed a lower rear sight system. The next day when a bird popped his head up at the 40 mark I flattened him with the center of the pattern.
Had my 11-87SP back in 2002 anda bird was comin in and I got all worked up and shot and missed at 30 yards... Bird took to the air... Shot a second time and missed again... Third shot I bared down and lead him about 3-4ft and let it go and rolled him at about 35-40 yards... Prob my most memorable hunt!!!