just picked up a box of long beards today (3.5" 2 oz 6's) and they patterned absolutely awesome out of a 24" 835 with an undertaker.695. i would not feel bad to stretch that setup beyond 45 yards if the situation called for it. unfortunately 7 of 10 shells out of the box misfired, including a full tube (3 shells) one after the other. each one went bang eventually, most on the next pull of the trigger but 2 of them required 2 re-cocks and one required 3. anyone else have any sort of problems like this with the longbeards? the gun functions 100% with everything else so i am a little upset that the one shell it really likes is nowhere trustworthy enough to take to the field. its like those shells have extra hard primer cups or something. any feedback would be great!
ran thru a box of 3in #5 today moss 835 24in pipe no problems sounds like the firing pin might be getting weak but im no gun guru
Did the firing pin dent the primer or lightly strike it
there was definitely a pin strike just not as obvious as the pin strikes on remington nitro turkey, fiocci golden turkey and federal fcw stuff. even shot a couple winchester supreme hv and double x thru it to make sure the gun wasnt suffering light hammer strikes
That is what a dirity firing pin or weak springs do in a Muzzleloader with 209 primers
If it is firing those other shells with no issues then it well could be just a bad box of shells, rim on shell could be on the thin side allowing it to chamber deeper, could be a thick rim not allowing the gun to lock up completely, could be bad batch of primers, could be a light striking firing pin due to crud buildup. If you tried the LBs and they wouldn't fire did you try the other shells you mentioned at that time and they fired? If that is the case then i would try getting another box of longbeards with a different lot # or from a different source and see if they work.If they don't then it may be an issue with the gun. If they fire ok then i would contact Winchester and let them know about it and possibly get a refund on the defective shells. I would try giving the gun a thorough cleaning and go from there.Might also try them in another gun if you have one, too.
Had a problem with Winchester ammo one time, they took care of it
Contact Winchester, tell them your problem. They'll send you paid postage to send the ammo to them via UPS and they will send you a certificate for the amount of the ammo to repurchase some.
I hunted with my 835 for 15 years and retired it this year. One issue I had every now and then was a misfire with shells that had harder primers. I would fix this by taking it COMPLETELY apart and getting a wire brush to scrub down all of the parts. Then, get some break free gun cleaner and spray it inside of the mechanism that houses the spring of the firing pin. When I duck hunted, I could not shoot Remington black shells. It would dent the primer but not fire. But when I used the break free, it worked.
thanks a ton guys i'll look over the lot numbers on the remaining boxes at the ace hardware they came from. the patterns were so impressive (havent got around to counting the hits yet) that i was kinda already thinking i'd spring for one more box. i gave that old terd a good scrubbing as well. i didn't really think that winchester had a reputation for having hard primers at least in my experience with them but i've never messed with any winchester shotgun primers
Quote from: CASH on February 22, 2014, 10:09:11 PM
Had a problem with Winchester ammo one time, they took care of it
Contact Winchester, tell them your problem. They'll send you paid postage to send the ammo to them via UPS and they will send you a certificate for the amount of the ammo to repurchase some.
Same thing happened to me with a box of slugs a few years ago. Primers were set too deep. They sent me the return package with a certificate to buy several more boxes along with an apology about it almost costing me a deer. :)
I always squirrel hunted back in the day with the Winchester Super X shells and they gave me absolutely no problems, but my dad had a box of 20 gauge Remington Long Range Express, and EVERY shell in that box was a dud! We went squirrel hunting about 5 years ago and me and dad separated, and throughout the morning it sounded like World War 2 down his way lol. We met back up and I had my limit, and he didn't have a single squirrel! He said he had a bad box of shells and I didn't believe him. That is until on the walk out when we see a squirrel on the side of a tree at a very close range, and he shot at it, and the squrrel didn't flinch! After that all we shot was the Winchester shotgun shells for squirrels. So I have never had a bad box of Winchester. I know this story doesn't help any, but I am bored right now and wanted to share it lol.
DOUBLE CHECK THE TIGHTNESS OF YOUR BARREL NUT ON THE END OF MAGAZINE....MKE SURE IT IS REAL TIGHT. IF ITS NOT YOUR SHELL WILL BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE FIRING PIN.
bad shells, sounds like
The primer is probably seated too low in some of the shells. I'd still take the gun apart and clean the firing pin spring.
Quote from: Mike Honcho on February 23, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
DOUBLE CHECK THE TIGHTNESS OF YOUR BARREL NUT ON THE END OF MAGAZINE....MKE SURE IT IS REAL TIGHT. IF ITS NOT YOUR SHELL WILL BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE FIRING PIN.
i never thought of that , good idea -
Sounds overly simple but I had a friends 835 do same thing....I turned the barrel retaining nut about a half turn tighter and solved problem.
I doubt shells are bad.
Honcho
My 935 misfired one spring morning with a H13 3.5" 2.25oz 5 on a bird I'd hunted 4 days. He came in on a rope and when I pulled the trigger it clicked, He gobbled and I cried. I nearly wrapped it around a tree. The primer was dented and the shell fired that afternoon when I tried it again to see if it would shoot. Only time it ever happened to me
the barrel nut on the gun was tight, no concerns there. been super busy at work setting pumps for one of our customers and haven't had time to get another box and run them thru. will keep whoever is following posted
Quote from: deacon on February 23, 2014, 11:04:49 PM
My 935 misfired one spring morning with a H13 3.5" 2.25oz 5 on a bird I'd hunted 4 days. He came in on a rope and when I pulled the trigger it clicked, He gobbled and I cried. I nearly wrapped it around a tree. The primer was dented and the shell fired that afternoon when I tried it again to see if it would shoot. Only time it ever happened to me
Had one old boy at 24 yards and good as tagged and plucked when gun went click. My nightmare went two more clicks however as I shucked two more shells through while he pogo'd off putting. May well have been magazine cap, can't say for sure but I don't recall it being loose when I disassembled things. Broke the gun and trigger group down COMPLETELY when I got home. The firing pin was coated with black burnt powder and the morning of the misfire it was raining, things were fairly wet, gun and all. Always felt that was the culprit. Winchester XRHD's were what I was shooting then. Hasn't happened before or since and don't think I could survive it so well again if it did.
Quote from: deacon on February 23, 2014, 11:04:49 PM
My 935 misfired one spring morning with a H13 3.5" 2.25oz 5 on a bird I'd hunted 4 days. He came in on a rope and when I pulled the trigger it clicked, He gobbled and I cried. I nearly wrapped it around a tree. The primer was dented and the shell fired that afternoon when I tried it again to see if it would shoot. Only time it ever happened to me
had a similar situation happen to me about 6 years ago but in my case the shell went off but it had wet powder or something. Sounded like a m80 going of under water and I watched pellet come out the gun about as fast as a person could throw them and needless to say he got the heck out of there. I could have ran through a brick wall I was so mad. The shell was a 10ga Remington 2 1/4 #4.
I doubt it's the shells, we would have heard more complaints by now.
Sounds like something is up with the firing pin and/or firing pin spring.
Maybe it's gummed up with oil? Some oils will turn into a sticky mess over time, like a plaque, and you can get light primer strikes.
Good luck!
mudhen
Quote from: highwaygun on February 26, 2014, 08:19:19 PM
had a similar situation happen to me about 6 years ago but in my case the shell went off but it had wet powder or something. Sounded like a m80 going of under water and I watched pellet come out the gun about as fast as a person could throw them and needless to say he got the heck out of there. I could have ran through a brick wall I was so mad. The shell was a 10ga Remington 2 1/4 #4.
That is usually the nightmare I have a time or two every year about now. Only difference is, in my dream the pellets roll out the end of the barrel!
Quote from: THattaway on February 27, 2014, 09:19:02 AM
Quote from: highwaygun on February 26, 2014, 08:19:19 PM
had a similar situation happen to me about 6 years ago but in my case the shell went off but it had wet powder or something. Sounded like a m80 going of under water and I watched pellet come out the gun about as fast as a person could throw them and needless to say he got the heck out of there. I could have ran through a brick wall I was so mad. The shell was a 10ga Remington 2 1/4 #4.
That is usually the nightmare I have a time or two every year about now. Only difference is, in my dream the pellets roll out the end of the barrel!
Yeah it sucked pretty bad. The hull was all melted on the outside and it smelled like burnt hair. I still have it with all the hulls I have killed turkeys with. Now I look back and it kinda funny but at the time I was sick.
I got a new 835 last year for a gift and when I got ready to shoot it with some old Remington nitro's a buddy had, it would go click and dent the primer but his 11-87 would shoot them and to say the least I was not happy! I took it home took it apart and cleaned it good and shot a full box of low brass 7 1/2 super speeds through it as fast as i could and since then it hasn't missed a beat. But don't think it didn't it didn't cross my mind opening morning as a bird I had hunted for two years was on his way! But when he got there it went bang and he flopped! I ended killing three last year and it shot so I hope it just needed a good cleaning and shooting.