Hello guys i wanted to take some time to let you know about my experience with the new mag Blends 3' I went to the range today, i live in Pa. and it was 20 degrees! i know not good shooting temp! but wanted to try the new shell. I bought 2 boxes at Gander Mountain not knowing about the wad change until i seen the post here. I was shooting a Stoger M3000 with a .650 Sumtoy Choke at 42 yds. i shot 2 old Mag Blends and got 194 on the first shot and an even 200 on the second, this is usually what this gun does with this load. I then shot the new mag Blend and got 98 on the first shot and an even 100 on the second. I was shooting a bead and this was ranged with a rangefinder. As said i know this is not the best temp by any means but this is crazy!!! I will no longer buy these shells due to the fact i can get this easy with cheap lead. Thanks for reading!
Please post the Lot # of those new ones, Rem. :OGturkeyhead:
Welcome to the world of Hevi!!!!!!
I guess these manufactures never heard the saying IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!!!! my buddy just bought 10 boxes and has similar results with a Rem 870 and a Benelli, he is not happy to say the least! I will look at my lot numbers when i get home and post them.
Quote from: Rem Man on February 04, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
I guess these manufactures never heard the saying IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!!!! my buddy just bought 10 boxes and has similar results with a Rem 870 and a Benelli, he is not happy to say the least! I will look at my lot numbers when i get home and post them.
The problem has to do with internal component costs. With these companies, profit is the name of the game. If they can save on a wad here are there, they are willing to do so. We are in the minority as far as knowing exactly what our gun will do with each load. The joe blow public just throws in their full choke guns and heads to the woods.
:popcorn:
Is this only for the Mag Blend or for the HEVI-13 also?
Lot Number #201411 these were bought at Gander Mountain, I heard that this wad is in all the Turkey Ammo that Hevi 13 makes but not for sure.
This, as pointed out previously, has happened before with H-13. They make a good shell , people start buying and then they slip the finger to ya. Even H-13 went to H-12 or less perhaps?
When I first got into the H-13 20 gauge they changed up the shell without anyone knowing about it. What was fairly common to get 120-130 turned into 80-90 or so with the same choke/ gun/ etc.
They have changed fillers to bird seed, wads, whatever, and now they have apparently screwed up the Mag Blends. They have a new kid on the block with the Win LBXR and perhaps assumed that since Win was getting out of the HTL turkey loads that they could have their way with us turkey hunters. Will we see a lead shell possibly winning the Still Shooting Contest this year? Stay Tuned.
I got two old boxes I will shoot them out and may buy a new box just to see if they shoot ok if not ill make the switch to nitros exclusively.
Go get yourself a box of the new Winchester Longbeards and watch your numbers jump :funnyturkey:
It seems like every year someone is making the claim that HEVI-Shot and other companies change the wads, change the buffer, change etc.... I'm just curious as to were this info is obtained from? Do people cut open last years shell and this year then compare or is there someone on the "inside" that's feeding this information to everyone on these forums. Just curious cause I never seem to have a problem with my shells and year after year I shoot the same load. Just my opinion
if they do change the wad i would think it still could shoot as good as last year just may need a different choke or construction.....the new wad may just like something different. I would doubt it just goes from great to total sucking. the old may like the 650 sum toy but the new may somehow like the 660 sum toy who knows till tested.
Quote from: pdaugherty on February 04, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
It seems like every year someone is making the claim that HEVI-Shot and other companies change the wads, change the buffer, change etc.... I'm just curious as to were this info is obtained from? Do people cut open last years shell and this year then compare or is there someone on the "inside" that's feeding this information to everyone on these forums. Just curious cause I never seem to have a problem with my shells and year after year I shoot the same load. Just my opinion
They have dissected , weighed drams of powder, looked at fillers, weighed shot, separated shot sizes within a certain size classification , etc. to obtain this information. So if you were getting 300 in the 10 and it is now a measly 150 you most likely wipe out another bird. H-13 has messed with the shells before and you can bet your best call on that one.
Quote from: RAJ on February 04, 2014, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: pdaugherty on February 04, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
They have dissected , weighed drams of powder, looked at fillers, weighed shot, separated shot sizes within a certain size classification , etc. to obtain this information. So if you were getting 300 in the 10 and it is now a measly 150 you most likely wipe out another bird. H-13 has messed with the shells before and you can bet your best call on that one.
:popcorn: :popcorn:
Figured this would happen. Bought ten boxes of 3-2-7, probably 18 months ago, so it will be many seasons before I'm shooting something different.
:funnyturkey:
Fortunately I stocked up a few years ago and with the prices now htl only gets shot at birds. Hopefully things are better in 15 years when my supply will hopefully be shot up! This is quite disappointing to see with the price of the shells.
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Quote from: paboxcall on February 04, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
Figured this would happen. Bought ten boxes of 3-2-7, probably 18 months ago, so it will be many seasons before I'm shooting something different.
:funnyturkey:
I WISH I would have bought a truck load of 3.5-2.25-7 the first year it came out!!!! This was the first year the Hevi 7's came out. Sorry for the hi-jack.
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Quote from: drum817 on February 04, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: paboxcall on February 04, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
Figured this would happen. Bought ten boxes of 3-2-7, probably 18 months ago, so it will be many seasons before I'm shooting something different.
:funnyturkey:
I WISH I would have bought a truck load of 3.5-2.25-7 the first year it came out!!!! This was the first year the Hevi 7's came out. Sorry for the hi-jack.
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I know Drum - Here's my first year pattern:(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/paboxcall/P4100011.jpg) (http://s78.photobucket.com/user/paboxcall/media/P4100011.jpg.html)
Was that a 3" or 3.5" ??
Can I join the hi-jack?
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Nice patterns!
Sorry - didn't mean to jump on the hi jack, just disappointed that this year's loads may not perform. Just like the white hull / red hull / gold hull few years ago....
Yup I seen this last week. That was what the post about the Wad change in HV was about. It is going to be fun to see this unfold. :bike2:
Need to call em and see what they have to say about it :funnyturkey:
chasing lot#'s and this kind of BS is why I quit the HTL scene
Exact reason I have 20+ pounds of Hevi 6s and 10 pounds of TSS to handload
What lot numbers are the old stock and what are the new lot numbers. This would be for 3.5 mag blend Thanks Ryan
The ones I've had since last year or longer are
300515
300748
300783
300333
300552
300327
301079
Quote from: reynolds243 on February 04, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
if they do change the wad i would think it still could shoot as good as last year just may need a different choke or construction.....the new wad may just like something different. I would doubt it just goes from great to total sucking. the old may like the 650 sum toy but the new may somehow like the 660 sum toy who knows till tested.
but I shouldn't have to spend more money and time after spending countless money to get their shells to shoot out of my guns, the last thing im gonna do is buy more chokes because they went to a cheaper wad to make more money, once you get your load and choke combo figured out and then they change again :character0029: im done. Winchester xr here I come im tired of wasting money with hevi
The ones I have are 300749. Just got them a month ago at cabelas I would think they were last years stock boxes are showing some wear. I know where there are several more boxes of last year stock. I think I will go pick them up tomorrow
Quote from: surehuntsalot on February 04, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
chasing lot#'s and this kind of BS is why I quit the HTL scene
+1 Me too :z-winnersmiley:
I long for the day when turkey hunters quit complaining about Hevi Shot.
Yes, I understand all the arguments about changing wads and components, but every year there's a new load from somebody that gets everybody on the bandwagon. A few years ago it was Nitros, then Hevi 13, This year it's the Longbeards. Next year it may be Bubba Rays Super Duper Gobbler Bomb with 4,000 hits in a 10 inch circle.
Let's stop complaining about Hevi Shot and just kill some turkeys.
Rant over.
Quote from: CASH on February 04, 2014, 11:02:14 PM
Bubba Rays Super Duper Gobbler Bomb with 4,000 hits in a 10 inch circle.
Is that @ 40? Taped? Lasered? What kinda choke? Musta bin a stardot.... Was it windy?
:goofball:
Sorry I couldn't help it.
B-Well Everyone
;D
Johnny
Quote from: reynolds243 on February 04, 2014, 09:31:23 PM
The ones I've had since last year or longer are
300515
300748
300783
300333
300552
300327
301079
I can tell you that 300748,300783, and 300552 were winners for me
All i can say is that if they mess up bad enough and people continue to get the numbers they are getting with these LBXR id imagine that they wont be selling many more boxes except the the strict HTL guys out there
Quote from: CASH on February 04, 2014, 11:02:14 PM
I long for the day when turkey hunters quit complaining about Hevi Shot.
Yes, I understand all the arguments about changing wads and components, but every year there's a new load from somebody that gets everybody on the bandwagon. A few years ago it was Nitros, then Hevi 13, This year it's the Longbeards. Next year it may be Bubba Rays Super Duper Gobbler Bomb with 4,000 hits in a 10 inch circle.
Let's stop complaining about Hevi Shot and just kill some turkeys.
Rant over.
I actually enjoy these posts quite a lot, and I don't even shoot the stuff. Hevi gets kudos when they make a great shell, and they get called out when they change them and the quality falls off. As for the new stuff, Federal upped the lead shell state of the art last year with the Turkey Thugs line and this year Winch has raised the bar considerably higher. I look forward to this time of year when people start patterning their guns and reporting on what they find. I thought that was what a turkey forum with a guns section was all about... guys sharing their knowledge and experience to help others make their rigs as effective as they can be. Then not to worry; we will go forth and kill turkeys.
I just looked at the hevi shot website. They are offering a $10.00 per box rebate on regular hevi-13 and mag blend shells. If you find some old stock, this would be a good offer
So is this the new reduced recoil magnum blend? I guess if it says just magnum blend it's older stock?
Quote from: BandedSpur on February 05, 2014, 07:47:40 AM
I actually enjoy these posts quite a lot, and I don't even shoot the stuff. Hevi gets kudos when they make a great shell, and they get called out when they change them and the quality falls off. As for the new stuff, Federal upped the lead shell state of the art last year with the Turkey Thugs line and this year Winch has raised the bar considerably higher. I look forward to this time of year when people start patterning their guns and reporting on what they find. I thought that was what a turkey forum with a guns section was all about... guys sharing their knowledge and experience to help others make their rigs as effective as they can be. Then not to worry; we will go forth and kill turkeys.
Well said. X-2.
I think it's great we have all this information. The OG membership has helped some of us save a few bucks with reviews and personal experience's (any item's). Thank You my fellow turkey hunters .
B-Well Johnny
:turkey:
Quote from: slave601 on February 05, 2014, 09:17:20 AM
So is this the new reduced recoil magnum blend? I guess if it says just magnum blend it's older stock?
no all the new runs of hevi will have this new wad
I understand all of them will have it. But if say I'm at a sporting goods store and I find just plain magnum blend it should be old stock. The new magnums are labeled reduced recoil. Correct?
Quote from: slave601 on February 05, 2014, 09:39:23 AM
I understand all of them will have it. But if say I'm at a sporting goods store and I find just plain magnum blend it should be old stock. The new magnums are labeled reduced recoil. Correct?
No that's a different shell. I have no idea what the new loads lot numbers are and I'd say NO ONE knows when they started putting them in if that's the case
Quote from: BandedSpur on February 05, 2014, 07:47:40 AM
I actually enjoy these posts quite a lot, and I don't even shoot the stuff. Hevi gets kudos when they make a great shell, and they get called out when they change them and the quality falls off. As for the new stuff, Federal upped the lead shell state of the art last year with the Turkey Thugs line and this year Winch has raised the bar considerably higher. I look forward to this time of year when people start patterning their guns and reporting on what they find. I thought that was what a turkey forum with a guns section was all about... guys sharing their knowledge and experience to help others make their rigs as effective as they can be. Then not to worry; we will go forth and kill turkeys.
I agree and well said!
This is the exact reason I stockpile a load if it shoots good for me. I've got 27 boxes of 12 ga .3" Magblends, 67 boxes of 20 ga. 3" Heavyweight #7's and 118 rounds of Nitro 3.5" 2 7/16 oz. #7's. The the price goes up a couple of dollars a box every year also.
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Quote from: reynolds243 on February 05, 2014, 09:45:36 AM
Quote from: slave601 on February 05, 2014, 09:39:23 AM
I understand all of them will have it. But if say I'm at a sporting goods store and I find just plain magnum blend it should be old stock. The new magnums are labeled reduced recoil. Correct?
No that's a different shell. I have no idea what the new loads lot numbers are and I'd say NO ONE knows when they started putting them in if that's the case
RemMan posted earlier in this thread that the new Lot # that gave him such poor patterns is #201411 and they were purchased at Gander Mountain.
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 05, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: reynolds243 on February 05, 2014, 09:45:36 AM
Quote from: slave601 on February 05, 2014, 09:39:23 AM
I understand all of them will have it. But if say I'm at a sporting goods store and I find just plain magnum blend it should be old stock. The new magnums are labeled reduced recoil. Correct?
No that's a different shell. I have no idea what the new loads lot numbers are and I'd say NO ONE knows when they started putting them in if that's the case
RemMan posted earlier in this thread that the new Lot # that gave him such poor patterns is #201411 and they were purchased at Gander Mountain.
i know he posted his but as far as i can tell that is the only one thats been posted and none were in reference to 3.5" so far. Not saying they won't be in those but haven't seen those yet.
is this the only person with proof on a "new" lot number or are their others that can verify it with 3" or 3.5"? Seems like a lot of hysteria in here for one persons results.
Quote from: reynolds243 on February 05, 2014, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 05, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: reynolds243 on February 05, 2014, 09:45:36 AM
Quote from: slave601 on February 05, 2014, 09:39:23 AM
I understand all of them will have it. But if say I'm at a sporting goods store and I find just plain magnum blend it should be old stock. The new magnums are labeled reduced recoil. Correct?
No that's a different shell. I have no idea what the new loads lot numbers are and I'd say NO ONE knows when they started putting them in if that's the case
RemMan posted earlier in this thread that the new Lot # that gave him such poor patterns is #201411 and they were purchased at Gander Mountain.
i know he posted his but as far as i can tell that is the only one thats been posted and none were in reference to 3.5" so far. Not saying they won't be in those but haven't seen those yet.
is this the only person with proof on a "new" lot number or are their others that can verify it with 3" or 3.5"? Seems like a lot of hysteria in here for one persons results.
but this goes right along with what sumtoy told us about new wads in the hevi, not much weather for patterning in most places right now, i suspect were gonna see alot of this new wad in the next month and half :popcorn:
Then why hasn't Sumtoy posted the Lot #'s of the new Mag Blends??? He's the one that brought it to our attention. I asked him to several days ago???
if i remember correctly his were from the Hv 6's. again I'm not debating what William has said nor the OP here as I without a doubt trust what William has stated. My point is as of NOW there is one post about a lot from 3" magblends, i don't think we need to go all chicken little on it until more info is out.
Is it just that lot, what lots did it start with, are the 3.5's part of the change, is it all HV shot, does it still pattern as well in a different choke? i mean if i bought a pack in Nov or Dec is that the new loads or did the new loads just hit the shelf in stores a week ago. My point is there are so many questions still to be answered lets not get full on crazy here.
This helped remind me I need to get my Nitro order in.
I said I was shooting 6's. I DO NOT have all lot numbers. I had a guy come in with them and just got them. I know the wad is different then the wads is the past. I know the numbers are down. Now that is my :z-twocents: in this. :anim_25: to the guys that buy them. They will kill birds all day long at 40 just know that most folks will not be happy with the patterns they get. As said b4 I will set back and watch this un fold.
Quote from: gophert on February 04, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: Rem Man on February 04, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
I guess these manufactures never heard the saying IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!!!! my buddy just bought 10 boxes and has similar results with a Rem 870 and a Benelli, he is not happy to say the least! I will look at my lot numbers when i get home and post them.
The problem has to do with internal component costs. With these companies, profit is the name of the game. If they can save on a wad here are there, they are willing to do so. We are in the minority as far as knowing exactly what our gun will do with each load. The joe blow public just throws in their full choke guns and heads to the woods.
You are so right. You know how many guys I know that set a beer can on a stump shoot at 40 if it tips over they are good.
I have some Magnum Blend shells, both 3" and 3.5", from the introduction to the last run, in the fall of 2013, and I really can't see any difference in them. Please understand that I may shoot a couple of hundred at a time, so there are certainly different patterns from one shell to another, just as in any shell but I have not seen dramatic differences, when I shoot a couple of boxes and then another couple of boxes.
I only shoot that many when I'm working for someone to evaluate a new choke or shotgun or if I'm patterning a barrel for a reader. I just can't see much if any difference, since those shells were introduced and the current variety but that's based upon hundreds and hundreds of shells.
Frankly, the same is true of the standard load in both #6 shot and #7 shot but again, I shoot several hundreds of those shells. One box may be better than another or even in one box several shells may be better than the others but I find that to be true in any brand of shells.
In still target matches we've seen records and only marginal hits from scores of boxes of shells, Winchester, Federal, EM and Remington shells. That's just the nature of shotshells, it seems.
Thanks,
Clark
Thanks for chiming in, Clark.
Did you receive my second PM?
Greg
Quote from: marshboy on February 06, 2014, 06:48:59 AM
Thanks for chiming in, Clark.
Did you receive my second PM?
Greg
Hey Greg,
You're welcome. Yes, I just read that.
Thank you very much,
Clark