The sporting industry realized that there was a rebel army taking to the turkey woods each spring carrying guns that had been relegated to women and kids in the recent past, the 20 gauge. Long considered to only be good for shooting quail, doves and squirrels, the 20 gauge has seen a Phoenix rebirth that can be strongly attributed to advances in two items: Choke tubes and ammunition. The search for the perfect combination of these two variables continues, but, man, have we come a long way! The pairing of a tight patterning choke with sledge-hammer hitting shells makes finding a lethal 40 yard 20 gauge turkey killing duo the rule, not the exception. These are the good old days.
What first-string yellow shell/choke tube combinations have you decided on for pushing up into the magazine of your 20 gauges come opening morning? Many people want to know.
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Most of the time i'll be loading up the original Remington Hevi-Shot in 1 1/4 #6s going thru a Primos Jellyhead.While not as mind blowing at 40 yds as some patterns I see here,it is deadly to that range if needed.I dont care for super tight 40 yard patterns because I dont want baseballs at 15 yds.I think in the past 25+ years I may have shot one bird pushing 40.
If i'm hunting in some locations i'll load up with the Remington Premier lead 1 1/4 #6s,same choke.This is my load where I know there wont be a shot over 25yds.
My way of thinking is a little different than most I guess.I'll give up a little as far as numbers at 40 yds(but still capable) to maintain a wide enough 10" and 20" pattern at closer ranges.I have no problem letting a bird live another day at 45 yards as opposed to kickin myself for missing one at 15 yds because my pattern was too tight.But thats just me and I have no quarrels with guys who set up their rigs to their liking.
My opening day combo will be a handload of 1 5/8 ounces of #9 TSS through a Remington Super Full Hevi compatible choke tube. I am getting around 230 hits in the 10" circle @ 40 yards which indicates that it shouldn't be overly dense at closer ranges. I have a red dot sight mounted on the 870 that helps me be more specific with actual shot placement.
The magical thing about TSS is that even at 20 yards it's not as tight as some lead loads. Here is my Shell/choke combo that I have finally stuck with.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y372/Gophert/Gun%20Patterns/IC562Big20XLTimPattern_zps1a5e9a5a.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/Gophert/media/Gun%20Patterns/IC562Big20XLTimPattern_zps1a5e9a5a.jpg.html)
Gophert-
That looks like the most perfect pattern a man could ask for.Tight enough at 40 for clean kills,but open enough in the 20" pattern to allow for error.Nice job!
(How do the patterns look at 20?)(Got any pics of patterns inside 40?)
I usually have some old Remington Hevishot #6's and my Hastings .570 choke in.
this year is also going to see the use (I hope) of some Magblends and my .570 Tightwad.
I also have a supply of Federal 3" 1-5/16oz #5's that are pre FC,thats right no FC wad.
they are my go to shells when the woods start to "green up" and I know the ranges are going to be short.
I'm like Jakesdad,I want a good hunting pattern out to 40yds,I don't care about little holes in a piece of paper.If he won't come no closer that 40-45 yds,he gets to live another day.
When I hunt it's all about the "game",if I win,he comes home with me,if he wins,we play again another day.
"When I hunt it's all about the "game",if I win,he comes home with me,if he wins,we play again another day."
I will usually pattern out to 40 yds,but dont spend much time there.If I get a good huntable pattern to 35,its usually a go with me.
Quote from: surehuntsalot on January 29, 2014, 03:27:48 PM
When I hunt it's all about the "game",if I win,he comes home with me,if he wins,we play again another day.
Unfortunately, turkey hunting doesn't have a catch and release aspect to it. Ben Rogers Lee used to say that if he could breathe life back into the gobblers he had shot, he would do just that.
Maybe instead of pulling the trigger we could just holler BANG!!!.......... :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: jakesdad on January 29, 2014, 12:32:01 PM
Gophert-
That looks like the most perfect pattern a man could ask for.Tight enough at 40 for clean kills,but open enough in the 20" pattern to allow for error.Nice job!
(How do the patterns look at 20?)(Got any pics of patterns inside 40?)
This is with the Indian Creek .555 which is slightly tighter than what I shoot now. However, you see see that it pretty much gives a compete 10" coverage at this range. I've seen Hevishot and even lead have tighter patterns.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y372/Gophert/Gun%20Patterns/IMAG0002.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/Gophert/media/Gun%20Patterns/IMAG0002.jpg.html)
Quote from: surehuntsalot on January 29, 2014, 03:27:48 PM
I usually have some old Remington Hevishot #6's and my Hastings .570 choke in.
I'm like Jakesdad,I want a good hunting pattern out to 40yds,I don't care about little holes in a piece of paper.If he won't come no closer that 40-45 yds,he gets to live another day.
Steve,
I'm assuming since you use the Hastings .570 its a good shooter. I've got a Hastings .566 that I have not even patterned yet. I plan on shooting a few loads through it to see what it can do when the weather breaks.
On another note, I shoot paper with all my loads so I know exactly what they will do at all ranges. Last year was the first time I have ever attempted a shot over 30 yards. Me and Leah had this bird that would dupe us every time we hunted him. Every time I thought I had him patterned he would change the direction he would go. We were set up on this particular day, had the decoys out, hoping he would walk down this road and see the decoys and head our way. He came down the road and again paid no attention to us as he headed right passed us to the hens to our right. The problem was we could not get close enough to the road to set up there. However, down the edge of this field the road turned and got 52 yards from the edge of the field we were on. There he stood for 30 minutes strutting. I told Leah that I thought I could sneak to the edge of the field and hopefully get a shot. So that's what I did. The TSS #9's dropped him. I would have never took that shot had I not known what my gun was capable of. It's not the norm to shoot at birds that far, however it's nice knowing that in a last resort moment I know I still can get a clean kill.
I don't shoot the TSS shells to give me the opportunity to kill a turkey at a further distance. I shoot them because they provide a high density, even and predictable pattern with sufficient energy to ensure a one-shot kill at 40 yards.
Quote from: FullChoke on January 30, 2014, 09:38:26 AM
I don't shoot the TSS shells to give me the opportunity to kill a turkey at a further distance. I shoot them because they provide a high density, even and predictable pattern with sufficient energy to ensure a one-shot kill at 40 yards.
Im not singling out TSS as it could apply to anything you shoot,but I wish more people would adhere to this principle
Quote from: gophert on January 30, 2014, 08:32:54 AM
Quote from: surehuntsalot on January 29, 2014, 03:27:48 PM
I usually have some old Remington Hevishot #6's and my Hastings .570 choke in.
I'm like Jakesdad,I want a good hunting pattern out to 40yds,I don't care about little holes in a piece of paper.If he won't come no closer that 40-45 yds,he gets to live another day.
Steve,
I'm assuming since you use the Hastings .570 its a good shooter. I've got a Hastings .566 that I have not even patterned yet. I plan on shooting a few loads through it to see what it can do when the weather breaks.
On another note, I shoot paper with all my loads so I know exactly what they will do at all ranges. Last year was the first time I have ever attempted a shot over 30 yards. Me and Leah had this bird that would dupe us every time we hunted him. Every time I thought I had him patterned he would change the direction he would go. We were set up on this particular day, had the decoys out, hoping he would walk down this road and see the decoys and head our way. He came down the road and again paid no attention to us as he headed right passed us to the hens to our right. The problem was we could not get close enough to the road to set up there. However, down the edge of this field the road turned and got 52 yards from the edge of the field we were on. There he stood for 30 minutes strutting. I told Leah that I thought I could sneak to the edge of the field and hopefully get a shot. So that's what I did. The TSS #9's dropped him. I would have never took that shot had I not known what my gun was capable of. It's not the norm to shoot at birds that far, however it's nice knowing that in a last resort moment I know I still can get a clean kill.
sometimes you got to try something different to out smart the ones that get under your skin,believe me I know.
I'm not knocking on anybody for shooting farther than 40-45yds,I like all of you check my guns to see what my effective range is with the different loads.
It's a down fall of mine,but I'm bad about seeing just how close they will come.
By the way,that Hastings .566 should be a shooting son of a gun.
Let me know how it does for you.
I worked on it for a couple of years and finally found a combination I am confident with.
I am using a Rem SF Choke rated for Hevi and shooting Fed Heavyweight #7's. I am getting a great pattern out to 40 and not too tight when they come in close enough to count hairs on their heads.
I changed over from the short barrel that came with it to a longer barrel which seemed to help the pattern out to 40. I kind of wish I had that shorter barrel back just to see what this set up would do with this choke and load. I can't wait to see what it does to a gobbler's noggin :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: surehuntsalot on January 30, 2014, 09:35:04 PM
By the way,that Hastings .566 should be a shooting son of a gun.
Let me know how it does for you.
That's what I was thinking. I bought this thing off a guy at the end of last spring for like $20 and have not had a chance to shoot it. Seems like I remember someone shooting one of these on here a few years ago and it throwing some crazy good patterns with the Fed #7's since it's not ported. I definitely will report back with the results.
This is my first year toting a twenty. Will be loading my first batch of #9 TSS in an 1187. Will start out with the Remington Super Full choke. Or if any of my brothers and sisters can recommend a different choke, I am all ears. Will post pattern pictures in the not too distant future.
I am sticking with what has been working for me.
Fed HW #7 with the Remington SF Hevi,Steel.Lead Choke.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/frankt/Turkey%202012/20gaTarget20113-3-201110-32-40PM2048x1536.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/frankt/media/Turkey%202012/20gaTarget20113-3-201110-32-40PM2048x1536.jpg.html)
I killed my last turkey at 15 yards so I know the close pattern is OK too.
Quote from: old frank on February 01, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
I am sticking with what has been working for me.
Fed HW #7 with the Remington SF Hevi,Steel.Lead Choke.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/frankt/Turkey%202012/20gaTarget20113-3-201110-32-40PM2048x1536.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/frankt/media/Turkey%202012/20gaTarget20113-3-201110-32-40PM2048x1536.jpg.html)
I killed my last turkey at 15 yards so I know the close pattern is OK too.
That is a nice even pattern! I heard that the RSF chokes rated for lead pattern a little better than the ones rated for Hevi. Looks good
I'm running either my 870 with a .575 Carlson's non-ported and Fed HW 7s or a .570 Jellyhead and hevi 6s or my TC Encore with a .570 TruGlo non-ported and Fed HW 7s. Both are bonafied 40 yard turkey smashers. The bird in the pic was taken 2 years ago with the 870 and would have been the #26 bird in PA had I have had him officially scored.
Awesome bird!!
Thanks Tim. He won me a few contests. lol
That is a gorilla! :drool:
You can still find his sons or brothers, right?
Quote from: FullChoke on February 05, 2014, 05:20:49 PM
That is a gorilla! :drool:
You can still find his sons or brothers, right?
Norman, this bird was shot on PRIVATE PROPERTY that runs about 1/2 mile deep by about 1 1/4 mile long about a mile south of the home I grew up in. That same spring, my then future father in law and best friend Norm (too funny) took a bird that was at least 4 years old and had it not been for it being later in the season and he'd lost some weight strutting, likely would have been just as heavy and had OVER 1 1/2" spurs and a 10 1/2" beard. :drool: Yes! We have some serious genetics up on that hill! ;D Last spring we saw one group of 10 + 2 year olds with 10" beards and hooks you can see without binoculars at 50 yards at least 15 big jakes, and there are-or until this hard winter, at least 6 other 4+ year old birds on that particualr farm. We are very selective in what we go after and shoot but I love taking new hunters out and we let them shoot the first bird they want to drop the hammer on.
If you'd like I can make a trip out there and help you eradicate some of those problem critters :z-guntootsmiley:
Sounds like you got a very nice piece of property!