I did some horse trading and got this Weatherby PA-459. I'm SUPER happy with this gun! 12ga with a 18 1/2" chrome lined barrel I was concerned about the short barrel not producing the patterns I am use to seeing....but I put those worries to rest yesterday. I shot some Hevi 13 3" #6 at a taped 40 yards as well as some old Federal 2 3/4" lead # 6's at 40 yards. I used a SumToy .650 choke for the turkey loads. I also shot some 2 3/4" Remington 00 buck through a SumTom Light Modified choke at 25 yards to an idea of how it would do at self defense range....I am VERY pleased and the gun is solidly built with no rattling and GREAT action. Here are a few pics....enjoy :-)
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great patterns.
Wouldn't you want to shoot the 00 buck at like 6-7 feet for home defense. If you shoot someone at 25 yards you may be going to jail, or you have a huge house. I have heard that the best all around home defense ammo for a shot gun is your standard bird shot.
00 buck can shoot through drywall and injur someone in the opposite room, where the birdshot will drop them where they stand with little risk of going into other rooms/ passing through walls, and if any of the shot does get through it will not be enough to kill an unexpecting child or whomever else my be in the opposite room.
Just my .02.
SHARP LOOKING RIG!!
Quote from: bowmike on August 01, 2013, 02:53:09 PM
great patterns.
Wouldn't you want to shoot the 00 buck at like 6-7 feet for home defense. If you shoot someone at 25 yards you may be going to jail, or you have a huge house. I have heard that the best all around home defense ammo for a shot gun is your standard bird shot.
00 buck can shoot through drywall and injur someone in the opposite room, where the birdshot will drop them where they stand with little risk of going into other rooms/ passing through walls, and if any of the shot does get through it will not be enough to kill an unexpecting child or whomever else my be in the opposite room.
SHARP LOOKING RIG!!
Granted 25 yards is "stretching it" for defense range, but now I know at ranges in the house that the load will be even tighter. It's just me and wife in the house... plus bird shot will blow a hole in 3/4" ply wood at 10-20 yards as well (i've done it....LOL)
I won one of those guns at a still target shoot and and let my one of my friends have it. He wanted a HD gun and with some of the better HD loads it woks quite well.
I did a lot of work using FBI standards at 21 feet (7 yards) which is the distance that most shooting for the last 30 years have taken place. I used microcrystalline wax, wallboard, and denim clothed microcrystalline wax for all of my work. (Published results were at 15 feet.)
I used all of the commercially available HD loads for my work and published those findings.
Over-penetration is a real concern as is stopping power. You must also consider the effects of adrenalin on the shooter and the possibility of being awakened in the middle of the night on the abiltiy of the shooter to think and react appropritely.
My tests were published in several magazines and at http://allaboutshooting.com/article_info.php?articles_id=340 You may find them interesting.
Thanks,
Clark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29mEJFFIvo
great video that breaks down the best loads for home defense. Thought you might want to check it out and re consider using 00 buck. Might save you some home repair if you encounter an intruder. The 00 buck would most likely pass throught the intruder as well, where the birdshot would not get through him. And I am sure that at 12 ' it would drop him in his tracks.
In the video you see that the birdshot will pentrate through 3 sheets of drywall but will be stuck in the 4 sheet.
Cool video....Thanks. :)
cant wait to see you smoke a turkey with that gun.
Just so you know, there's a new player in the field.
Over the next week or so, I'll be evaluating the new "Hevi Duty" home defence loads from Hevi-Shot. The new loads are available in 00 buckshot and #4 buckshot. I'll be evaluating the #4 buckshot loads.
They are 12 gauge 2.75" shells with 30 pellets of "frangible" non-toxic #4 buckshot loaded to be low recoil at 1250 f.p.s.
One obvious advantage is that the shot is frangible.
I'll let you all know when I've completed my evaluation of this new load.
By the way, it is available on dealer shelves currently.
Thanks,
Clark
Nice!
nice lookin gun
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Thats A Sharp rig right there! :icon_thumright:
Very nice.....
Those PA-459's are good looking guns. Do they use invector chokes?
Quote from: Gold Spur on August 07, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
Those PA-459's are good looking guns. Do they use invector chokes?
That gun uses Benelli type chokes with the Mobil thread.
Thanks,
Clark
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I just got a new HD shotgun to. Stopped by the pawn shop and got a Winchester defender, it was decked out with the speed feed stock and tube extender. I ordered a tactical sling and a laser with flashlight. Don't want to hijack this post so ill put up pictures on another post later.
Quote from: drum817 on August 02, 2013, 01:54:10 PM
Cool video....Thanks. :)
So, Drum, the reason for your name is that you're a drummer? That makes a lot of sense. .It also appears that your beard has grown as your hair has disappeared! I understand all of that.
Thanks,
Clark
Looks good Drum :turkey2:
Quote from: allaboutshooting on August 07, 2013, 02:26:45 PM
Quote from: Gold Spur on August 07, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
Those PA-459's are good looking guns. Do they use invector chokes?
That gun uses Benelli type chokes with the Mobil thread.
Thanks,
Clark
Thanks Clark
Quote from: Gold Spur on August 07, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
Those PA-459's are good looking guns. Do they use invector chokes?
The PA-459 uses Ber/Ben chokes. Weatherby also has the SA-08 auto loader that uses the invector system.
Quote from: allaboutshooting on August 07, 2013, 08:42:33 PM
Quote from: drum817 on August 02, 2013, 01:54:10 PM
Cool video....Thanks. :)
So, Drum, the reason for your name is that you're a drummer? That makes a lot of sense. .It also appears that your beard has grown as your hair has disappeared! I understand all of that.
Thanks,
Clark
LOL...I've been shaving my head for over 10 years now. But YES the beard has grown A LOT!!!
My home defense is a rem 870 21" bbl, Indian creek .665 and hevi 13 3/2/6's. I take the plug out of the gun and load it to the gills. The furthest shot I see is 10-12 yds. Combo is brutal inside that distance. Also have Glock .357 sig with double clips right by the bed. Wrong house to break in. :)
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