For you guys looking for a star dot for your 835 or 935 there is one on gunbroker for $49.95
It's still on there. That's a Star Dot alright.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=343632136#PIC
Good deal. Hevi I'm supprised you didn't buy it yet.
Hay for that matter I'm supprised I didn't buy it yet.
Well it's gone now. Maybe they just needed my verification it was a true Star Dot. LOL! But I will also tell folks that see these if there is writing on the tube that says Moss 835 or any writing at all it's not an oiriginal Star Dot.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 24, 2013, 02:15:34 PM
Well it's gone now. Maybe they just needed my verification it was a true Star Dot. LOL! But I will also tell folks that see these if there is writing on the tube that says Moss 835 or any writing at all it's not an oiriginal Star Dot.
Hey that's probably it. I. Mean your high regard and your pattern pics to prove it made me get a star dot for an 835 only thing is I don't even have a mossberg. But you never know when I may. As for markings I have a stardot for my Win, Rem ans Moss and none of them have any markings. I believe the package has the restrictions.
:icon_thumright: Love mine!
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 24, 2013, 02:15:34 PM
Well it's gone now. Maybe they just needed my verification it was a true Star Dot. LOL! But I will also tell folks that see these if there is writing on the tube that says Moss 835 or any writing at all it's not an oiriginal Star Dot.
And here's I thought I had an original... Good thing it only cost me $25
Quote from: vt35mag on May 24, 2013, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 24, 2013, 02:15:34 PM
Well it's gone now. Maybe they just needed my verification it was a true Star Dot. LOL! But I will also tell folks that see these if there is writing on the tube that says Moss 835 or any writing at all it's not an oiriginal Star Dot.
And here's I thought I had an original... Good thing it only cost me $25
By that I mean it was'nt made by Colonial Arms who made the original Star Dot chokes.
Knurling on the end of one pictured is different from my old original Stardot . Mine has straight lines on the knurled end.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 24, 2013, 07:21:24 PM
Quote from: vt35mag on May 24, 2013, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 24, 2013, 02:15:34 PM
Well it's gone now. Maybe they just needed my verification it was a true Star Dot. LOL! But I will also tell folks that see these if there is writing on the tube that says Moss 835 or any writing at all it's not an oiriginal Star Dot.
And here's I thought I had an original... Good thing it only cost me $25
By that I mean it was'nt made by Colonial Arms who mad the original Star Dot chokes.
Yeah, I am just glad I didn't pay top dollar on something I thought was made by colonial arms. It has the original looking package, straight grooves rather than knurled like that one, and says "MOSS 835".
Quote from: snoodlum on May 24, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
Knurling on the end of one pictured is different from my old original Stardot . Mine has straight lines on the knurled end.
Mine also has the strait lines not the knurled. the back of the package says highlander sports huntsville Alabama.
Quote from: snoodlum on May 24, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
Knurling on the end of one pictured is different from my old original Stardot . Mine has straight lines on the knurled end.
Colonial Arms made them both ways at the top. Trust me I have had both.
Quote from: mikejd on May 24, 2013, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: snoodlum on May 24, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
Knurling on the end of one pictured is different from my old original Stardot . Mine has straight lines on the knurled end.
Mine also has the strait lines not the knurled. the back of the package says highlander sports huntsville Alabama.
You got an original Star Dot. Like I said the one I paid $10 shipped off gunbroker(try beating that price you all) that I gave to a guy I worked with and one of my 300325 lot # 3.5" Hevi #7 loads said he shot it at 40yds and put 290 in a 9" circle(do the math). So it shot just like the one I had from what he told me. That's smokin for a 9" circle. He told me he could'nt remember if I said 9" or 10" so he went with a 9".
Now is there anymore questions about 835 Star Dot chokes.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 24, 2013, 09:22:28 PM
Quote from: mikejd on May 24, 2013, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: snoodlum on May 24, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
Knurling on the end of one pictured is different from my old original Stardot . Mine has straight lines on the knurled end.
Mine also has the strait lines not the knurled. the back of the package says highlander sports huntsville Alabama.
You got an original Star Dot. Like I said the one I paid $10 shipped off gunbroker(try beating that price you all) that I gave to a guy I worked with and one of my 300325 lot # 3.5" Hevi #7 loads said he shot it at 40yds and put 290 in a 9" circle(do the math). So it shot just like the one I had from what he told me. That's smokin for a 9" circle. He told me he could'nt remember if I said 9" or 10" so he went with a 9".
Now is there anymore questions about 835 Star Dot chokes.
Im good. I got my Star Dot fix for today.
Here's what the original Star Dot choke package looked like to the best of my knowledge on 2 of the 3 835 Star Dot choke I have had. The last one I bought new but without the package on ebay.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/547/100_0914_Medium_.JPG)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF2888_Small_.jpg)
Now when I spoke to the owner of Colonial Sports on the phone like a year or so ago, she told me that the very first Star Dot chokes were sold as a combo package she believed, but I don't think so. I think what happened and her memory was vague, was that Highlander also had a rear and front sight combo package sold separately from the Star Dot choke. And they were listed as Star Dot sight. Let me show you. And Highlander did all the packaging on these chokes.
They looked like this.
(http://www.mackspw.com/ItemImages/Large/GA100.jpg)
And I think they came in a package just like the original Star Dot chokes but the package siad Star Dot Sight. Sort of like this one but with the dual sight above.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Star-Dot-Electronic-5-16-Shotgun-Sight-/00/s/MTQyNFg5Mjg=/$(KGrHqV,!lME+Gl3ky+uBQH5vKuylg~~60_57.JPG)
And I would also bet that if these are the truly the original sights at Macks offered at the exact same time as the original Star Dot that the package will look just like the original package in color.
http://www.mackspw.com/Item--i-GA100
And Ithink that Highlander later packaged these sight above as this package.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Star-Dot-Fiber-Optic-Shotgun-Sight-For-7-16-Rib-RED-/00/s/MTQyNlgxNTg0/$(KGrHqIOKp0E5,+pRJc,BOj)N6f,-g~~60_57.JPG)
And later on after Highlander Sports stole Colonial Arms Star Dot choke design they started packaging them I believe like this. These were the Preston Pittman Star Dot chokes that had writing on the tubes. These I believe were the last chokes that Highlander Sports made before they went belly up and out of business.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/th2.jpg)
I'll show you a better picture of the one on ebay so you can better see the package and the choke in this link below.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-DOT-BOSS-BUSTER-CHOKE-TUBE-SIGHT-COMBO-REMINGTON-PP924-/120948464724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c29171c54#ht_443wt_681
highlander may have made the package somewhere after they stole Colonial Arms design different and it may have looked like the sight package above. I don't know for sure, but what I do feel comfortable in stating is that after Highlander Sports stole Colonial Arms Star Dot choke desing and who they had made these fake Star Dot chokes put writing on the tubes of the brand that the choke was made for. And later they also put Preston Pittman on the tubes as well.
I am now wore out. :lol:
Now the real question is whomade these fake chokes and took it upon theirself to copy the original Star Dot chokes that Colonial made.
I would bet we might obtain the answer by going off of geographical location. Highlander Sports was from Huntsville, AL. That's how I put 2 and 2 together to Colonial Arms making the original Star Dot chokes for Highlander Sports after I seen a Colonial Arms choke on ebay that had porting exactly like my Star Dot choke, and Colonial Arms was in Bay Minette, AL.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 24, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
Here's what the original Star Dot choke package looked like to the best of my knowledge on 2 of the 3 835 Star Dot choke I have had. The last one I bought new but without the package on ebay.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/547/100_0914_Medium_.JPG)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF2888_Small_.jpg)
Now when I spoke to the owner of Colonial Sports on the phone like a year or so ago, she told me that the very first Star Dot chokes were sold as a combo package she believed, but I don't think so. I think what happened and her memory was vague, was that Highlander also had a rear and front sight combo package sold separately from the Star Dot choke. And they were listed as Star Dot sight. Let me show you. And Highlander did all the packaging on these chokes.
They looked like this.
(http://www.mackspw.com/ItemImages/Large/GA100.jpg)
And I think they came in a package just like the original Star Dot chokes but the package siad Star Dot Sight. Sort of like this one but with the dual sight above.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Star-Dot-Electronic-5-16-Shotgun-Sight-/00/s/MTQyNFg5Mjg=/$(KGrHqV,!lME+Gl3ky+uBQH5vKuylg~~60_57.JPG)
The top package is the exact same package that I have. Only difference is the knurling. But the change in the knurling has to mean something as to who manufactured these. I mean why would colonial change the knurling. Now I actually might try and get both and do a side by side pattern comparison.
Mike,
I would say Colonial made them both ways. They probably switched later on in production. I would believe that more than I would believe somone else made that straight groove choke. The reason I say that is I have had both and neither had any writing on the tube.
But hey you may be on to something. I noticed that Pittman choke above was straight grooved. But it had writing on the tube. But it's very possible that some could have been made without writing and in the old original packaging. I can tell you how to get your answer. Send a photo to the owner of Colonial Arms of the one you have straight grooved. Then you will know the rest of the story.
Brad,
I just went and dug out my stardot for my invector and although the choke is exact same same knurling no markings the package says PTC technologies, Huntsville Alabama as well. Now if you were to buy this choke with no package you would never tell the 2 apart. I tried to get a pic of all the packages together but the phone was dead Ill do it tomorrow. The Rem and Moss are the same but the invector is the PTC. Pretty strange actually.
Quote from: mikejd on May 24, 2013, 11:09:46 PM
Brad,
I just went and dug out my stardot for my invector and although the choke is exact same same knurling no markings the package says PTC technologies, Huntsville Alabama as well. Now if you were to buy this choke with no package you would never tell the 2 apart. I tried to get a pic of all the packages together but the phone was dead Ill do it tomorrow. The Rem and Moss are the same but the invector is the PTC. Pretty strange actually.
Now are you talking about knurling or straight grooves?
I love doing this detective work. :funnyturkey:
can I ask what would make this original star dot shoot any different than the pitman stardot has to be more than the knurling to change the pattern?
Quote from: Dirt nap on May 25, 2013, 06:23:30 AM
can I ask what would make this original star dot shoot any different than the pitman stardot has to be more than the knurling to change the pattern?
Good question. I dont know if they even shoot differently. I would like to see a side by side shooting comparison. I am actually going to hunt down the knurled one for my 1300 so I can do it.
I have both one with knurled end and one with straight lines that says moss 835 never shot the one with no writing maybe there is a difference because I wasn't that impressed with the pitman one when I get time I will have to compare them or has anyone done this comparison?
Quote from: mikejd on May 25, 2013, 12:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dirt nap on May 25, 2013, 06:23:30 AM
can I ask what would make this original star dot shoot any different than the pitman stardot has to be more than the knurling to change the pattern?
Good question. I dont know if they even shoot differently. I would like to see a side by side shooting comparison. I am actually going to hunt down the knurled one for my 1300 so I can do it.
Now this is going off of a long time ago from info I obtained on the web, and I think I have it correct. I remember a guy or a few guys make the statement that they have both the Star Dot and the Pittman Star Dot. The Pittman Star Dot had a like .685 exit diameter, and the Star Dot had a .676. They said both shoot good, but nobody ever compared them back then with Hevi-13 #7 loads because they were'nt made then.
I know the owner told me on the phone when I talked to her that if memory served her right that the counterfit star Dot had pittman on the tubes or writing I would say. So that's why I'm saying that any Star Dot choke that does have writing on the tube is a counterfit.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 25, 2013, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: mikejd on May 25, 2013, 12:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dirt nap on May 25, 2013, 06:23:30 AM
can I ask what would make this original star dot shoot any different than the pitman stardot has to be more than the knurling to change the pattern?
Good question. I dont know if they even shoot differently. I would like to see a side by side shooting comparison. I am actually going to hunt down the knurled one for my 1300 so I can do it.
Now this is going off of a long time ago from info I obtained on the web, and I think I have it correct. I remeber a guy aor a few guys make the statement that they have both the Star Dot and th Pittman Star Dot. The Pittman Star Dot had a like .685 exit diameter, and the Star Dot had a .676. The ysaid both shoot good, but nobody ever compared them back then with Hevi-13#7 loads because they were'nt made then.
I know the owner told me on the phone when I talked to here that if memory served her right that the counterfit star Dot had pittman on the tubes or writing I would say. So that's why I'm saying that any Star Dot choke that does have writing on the tube is a counterfit.
someone that has a so called " counterfeit " should measure the restriction and see what it is.
I don't have a tool
to measure
Quote from: Dirt nap on May 25, 2013, 02:54:43 PM
I don't have a tool
to measure
Hopefully someone will chime in with a caliper or micrometer.
Quote from: mikejd on May 25, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: Dirt nap on May 25, 2013, 02:54:43 PM
I don't have a tool
to measure
Hopefully someone will chime in with a caliper or micrometer.
I just picked up a caliper. I will post my findings this evening when I get home from work.
sounds good thank you
Bought one off of the classifieds on here a few years back for $20.00 that has moss xfull (i think) written on it and straight groves at the end. When I first got it measured the exit diameter and it was .676. Thought it was an original stardot? My gun shoots 126 in a 10" circle at 40yds with 3 1/2" winchester high velocity #6 never measured the 20". Bought some hevi shot mag blend and it did about the same as the winchesters.
Forgot to add shooting an older 835 with a 24" non ported barrel.
This is what I have guys;
Original Star Dot Packaging by Highland Sports Huntsville, AL
Straight Grooves
Moss 835 written on the choke
A measured inside diameter with a caliper of exactly .676
I would say that if this is indeed a "counterfeit", then its probably an exact replica to the Colonial Arms original. Wouldn't you agree?
As far as patterns go, she put up a three shot average of 180 hits in the 10in circle at 40yds on a 45 degree day with approx. 35% humidity. That's shooting Hevi 13 3-1/2in 2-1/4oz #6
I agree that's what I always find that stardot doesn't beat any of the ic or pure gold chokes I have my 835 with 6 shot will do around 220-240 with the ic choke I had ic make me a special choke to shoot 7 shot it does 350-360 average all day long thought it was just my stardot but I have both supposively counterfeit and original...again just my findings
OK just got home and checked the writting on the choke says moss xf.
My Star Dot .676 choke shot exactly 180 a few months back with the Hevi13 3.5" #6. It shoots the same load in 7's a lot better. I had the Indina Creek BDS SS .675 choke that would do around 300 in the 10", but it would'nt keep up with my Star Dot with the same lot # loads.
And what choke did you have Indian Creek make you that will do 350 to 360 all day long for I have'nt seen one that would.
Quote from: Dirt nap on May 28, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
I agree that's what I always find that stardot doesn't beat any of the ic or pure gold chokes I have my 835 with 6 shot will do around 220-240 with the ic choke I had ic make me a special choke to shoot 7 shot it does 350-360 average all day long thought it was just my stardot but I have both supposively counterfeit and original...again just my findings
If I saw 220-240 in #6 out of my 835, I wouldn't bother with 7's!
What are the specifics of your IC choke (constriction, ported/non ported, wad catchers etc)?
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 05:34:07 PM
My Star Dot .676 choke shot exactly 180 a few months back with the Hevi13 3.5" #6. It shoots the same load in 7's a lot better. I had the Indina Creek BDS SS .675 choke that would do around 300 in the 10", but it would'nt keep up with my Star Dot with the same lot # loads.
And what choke did you have Indian Creek make you that will do 350 to 360 all day long for I have'nt seen one that would.
Lol, I guess we are on the same page.
Quote from: vt35mag on May 28, 2013, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 05:34:07 PM
My Star Dot .676 choke shot exactly 180 a few months back with the Hevi13 3.5" #6. It shoots the same load in 7's a lot better. I had the Indina Creek BDS SS .675 choke that would do around 300 in the 10", but it would'nt keep up with my Star Dot with the same lot # loads.
And what choke did you have Indian Creek make you that will do 350 to 360 all day long for I have'nt seen one that would.
Lol, I guess we are on the same page.
Yes we are.
Hey have you ever tried a SSX .670?
I'm hoping Mike will give us some answers on what he learns shortly about the Star Dot choke he has. He's supposed to be doing some detective work.
Honestly, its the only choke I have tried.
I was looking to try the SSX, PG, and/or IC. Was hoping to see a write up from you on the BC Smackdown too. Tough spending money on chokes, when you already have something that's 38-40% efficient with HTL 6's and always over 45% with HTL 7's.
Quote from: vt35mag on May 28, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
Honestly, its the only choke I have tried.
I was looking to try the SSX, PG, and/or IC. Was hoping to see a write up from you on the BC Smackdown too. Tough spending money on chokes, when you already have something that's 38-40% efficient with HTL 6's and always over 45% with HTL 7's.
Well I got the BC Smackdown and the Carlsons Hevi-Shot choke to try out. But I will have to wait until my back is better and fully recuperated from my back surgery I had Apr 22.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: vt35mag on May 28, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
Honestly, its the only choke I have tried.
I was looking to try the SSX, PG, and/or IC. Was hoping to see a write up from you on the BC Smackdown too. Tough spending money on chokes, when you already have something that's 38-40% efficient with HTL 6's and always over 45% with HTL 7's.
Well I got the BC Smackdown and the Carlsons Hevi-Shot choke to try out. But I will have to wait until my back is better and fully recuperated from my back surgery I had Apr 22.
Ouch, best wishes with the rest of the recovery. Look forward to the reviews when you get back to it.
Thanks. I thought I would let you know that I did walk 6 miles yesterday at one time.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 05:55:20 PM
I'm hoping Mike will give us some answers on what he learns shortly about the Star Dot choke he has. He's supposed to be doing some detective work.
I left a message at PTC technologies today. No call back yet.
Quote from: vt35mag on May 28, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
Honestly, its the only choke I have tried.
I was looking to try the SSX, PG, and/or IC. Was hoping to see a write up from you on the BC Smackdown too. Tough spending money on chokes, when you already have something that's 38-40% efficient with HTL 6's and always over 45% with HTL 7's.
I know every gun shoots different but also have a PG .670 and it shot almost identical to my stardot (or whatever I have).
Quote from: mikejd on May 28, 2013, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 05:55:20 PM
I'm hoping Mike will give us some answers on what he learns shortly about the Star Dot choke he has. He's supposed to be doing some detective work.
I left a message at PTC technologies today. No call back yet.
Did you ever send a picture of the choke to Colonial Arms and ask the owner if they made this choke?
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: mikejd on May 28, 2013, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 05:55:20 PM
I'm hoping Mike will give us some answers on what he learns shortly about the Star Dot choke he has. He's supposed to be doing some detective work.
I left a message at PTC technologies today. No call back yet.
Did you ever send a picture of the choke to Colonial Arms and ask the owner if they made this choke?
No I haven't. Who should I send it to.
Go to Colonial Arms website and go down at the bottom or the top wherever the contact us is and send it to Sandy I believe is the owners name.
But just say I would like the owner of Colonial Arms to look at this choke and the staight grooves at the top and ask her if they made that choke back in the day. I would put it next to the original package when taking the photo to send to her. She should let you know for sure. That way we all will know the rest of the story.
I would also tell her the choke has no writing on the tube if that is correct.
Thanks Brad. Will do.
Quote from: mikejd on May 28, 2013, 10:15:04 PM
Thanks Brad. Will do.
It is I that should thank you. Heck we all thank you. You will be a hero here.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 28, 2013, 07:08:12 PM
Thanks. I thought I would let you know that I did walk 6 miles yesterday at one time.
:you_rock:
Quote from: vt35mag on May 28, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
This is what I have guys;
Original Star Dot Packaging by Highland Sports Huntsville, AL
Straight Grooves
Moss 835 written on the choke
A measured inside diameter with a caliper of exactly .676
I would say that if this is indeed a "counterfeit", then its probably an exact replica to the Colonial Arms original. Wouldn't you agree?
As far as patterns go, she put up a three shot average of 180 hits in the 10in circle at 40yds on a 45 degree day with approx. 35% humidity. That's shooting Hevi 13 3-1/2in 2-1/4oz #6
Ok, If your tube has Moss 835 written on it what do you guys think I have it has
moss xfull written on it?
Quote from: Grobec1 on May 29, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: vt35mag on May 28, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
This is what I have guys;
Original Star Dot Packaging by Highland Sports Huntsville, AL
Straight Grooves
Moss 835 written on the choke
A measured inside diameter with a caliper of exactly .676
I would say that if this is indeed a "counterfeit", then its probably an exact replica to the Colonial Arms original. Wouldn't you agree?
As far as patterns go, she put up a three shot average of 180 hits in the 10in circle at 40yds on a 45 degree day with approx. 35% humidity. That's shooting Hevi 13 3-1/2in 2-1/4oz #6
Ok, If your tube has Moss 835 written on it what do you guys think I have it has
moss xfull written on it?
Grobec, the great stardot mystery still goes on. I don't know if anyone really has any rock solid evedence of what is what. At this time Brad ( ilikehevi13) has the best info as this has been an ongoing quest for him. This has sparked my interest quit a bit and last night I took some pics and sent them to colonial in hopes to get some answers. Hopefully they don't right me off as a loon and actually give me some answers. As soon as I hear something I will let you know.
Thanks, would like to know myself.
Writing or no writing, all I know is the Star Dot I have has knocked the poop out of 6 birds the past two seasons...
Quote from: vt35mag on May 29, 2013, 10:24:54 AM
Writing or no writing, all I know is the Star Dot I have has knocked the poop out of 6 birds the past two seasons...
That's all that matters in the end. And clearly this is all about fun anyway once your gun is throwibg a great pattern does it really matter who made the choke.
Its just fun to play.
Quote from: mikejd on May 29, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: vt35mag on May 29, 2013, 10:24:54 AM
Writing or no writing, all I know is the Star Dot I have has knocked the poop out of 6 birds the past two seasons...
That's all that matters in the end. And clearly this is all about fun anyway once your gun is throwibg a great pattern does it really matter who made the choke.
Its just fun to play.
That it is
Quote from: Grobec1 on May 29, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: vt35mag on May 28, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
This is what I have guys;
Original Star Dot Packaging by Highland Sports Huntsville, AL
Straight Grooves
Moss 835 written on the choke
A measured inside diameter with a caliper of exactly .676
I would say that if this is indeed a "counterfeit", then its probably an exact replica to the Colonial Arms original. Wouldn't you agree?
As far as patterns go, she put up a three shot average of 180 hits in the 10in circle at 40yds on a 45 degree day with approx. 35% humidity. That's shooting Hevi 13 3-1/2in 2-1/4oz #6
Ok, If your tube has Moss 835 written on it what do you guys think I have it has
moss xfull written on it?
It's not an original Star Dot made by Colonial Arms. To my knowledge, none of these Star Dot chokes that were made by Colonial Arms back in the late 90's I beleive was the time haad any writing on the tubes.
Quote from: vt35mag on May 29, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: mikejd on May 29, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: vt35mag on May 29, 2013, 10:24:54 AM
Writing or no writing, all I know is the Star Dot I have has knocked the poop out of 6 birds the past two seasons...
That's all that matters in the end. And clearly this is all about fun anyway once your gun is throwibg a great pattern does it really matter who made the choke.
Its just fun to play.
That it is
That's true.
Quote from: mikejd on May 29, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: vt35mag on May 29, 2013, 10:24:54 AM
Writing or no writing, all I know is the Star Dot I have has knocked the poop out of 6 birds the past two seasons...
That's all that matters in the end. And clearly this is all about fun anyway once your gun is throwibg a great pattern does it really matter who made the choke.
Its just fun to play.
I agree.
I just want to know the facts as much as I can. Nothing like learning choke info.
Question: On the package for the Star Dot chokes it states for LEAD ONLY, but I see that you guys are shooting hevi shot through it. Have you had any problems because of shooting other that lead like sticking choke tubes, ect.
Quote from: mohall64 on June 17, 2013, 09:58:37 AM
Question: On the package for the Star Dot chokes it states for LEAD ONLY, but I see that you guys are shooting hevi shot through it. Have you had any problems because of shooting other that lead like sticking choke tubes, ect.
No problems, just don't use steel shot.
I always had that question about the star dot chokes as to what ones are really the originals? I have both style packages and I bought the style with 835 writing on it a few year's before I ever saw the other style packaging, but this choke came with sights (as the owner of ca said the first ones did)and doesn't have the website printed anywhere on the package. The other packages have a web address printed on them and some even say for lead or Remington hevi- shot? I'm not sure what year hevi shot came out? Well I think I'm gonna get a colonial arms choke and compare the 3 styles with hevi 13 3.5 2.25oz #7's.
Quote from: nflorek on June 17, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
I always had that question about the star dot chokes as to what ones are really the originals? I have both style packages and I bought the style with 835 writing on it a few year's before I ever saw the other style packaging, but this choke came with sights (as the owner of ca said the first ones did)and doesn't have the website printed anywhere on the package. The other packages have a web address printed on them and some even say for lead or Remington hevi- shot? I'm not sure what year hevi shot came out? Well I think I'm gonna get a colonial arms choke and compare the 3 styles with hevi 13 3.5 2.25oz #7's.
Please post your findings if you do!
I will post my findings. I am going to try to figure out how to post pictures from my phone of the different packages, chokes, and sights that I have. The other thing I find strange is the sights that came with the first choke I bought (choke is .676 and has moss 835 on it) are the same sights ca still sells today, so someone copied the sights also???? Guess we can only keep guessing..................
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I have one for an 835 with package, highlander on the back, alabama, all turkey loads except steel.
.676 id caliper
no writing on choke
diamond knurl.
Bought new in the store, many eons ago.
have on for invector plus too.
I can check knurl for straight or diamond and id to if needed , bought in store also.
Notice the ipx I for invector on this choke and the style of sights? The new ca star dot has motpx on it, and the "original" had no writing on it. So the new ca star dot must of copied the px from the "counterfeits" part number? It just doesn't add up
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And these are the sights ca is still selling on there site they look the same to me.
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Here are the markings on the "New" ca star dot motpx
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I get the mo for Mossberg, the T for turkey, but the px that the "counterfeit" also used at the end of the part number?
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These are 3 that I have that have never been out of the package till this picture. My opinion is from left to right this is the order they went in. Maybe I'm wrong, but I will post pics with my reasoning behind it when I get some more pic's together of the packaging.
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This is what "I" believe to be the first ones out with the screw on star dot sights because there is no website anywhere on the package (internet wasn't all the big in the late 90's)and never remember the other blue and yellow packages till later on
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Now this one has the same number but also has the website listed
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Different number and website, also hevi shot approved
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You can see the differences in some of the ones I have, the only consistency is they are all .676
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Mine is like the one all the way to the left. Hopefully you find they all throw out pretty much identical patterns.
Quote from: nflorek on June 21, 2013, 12:45:57 PM
You can see the differences in some of the ones I have, the only consistency is they are all .676
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It is funny that we took this 6 pages so far and we still have no more info then we started.
but nflorek you might be the answer we need. we need you to shoot all of your chokes out of the same gun under the same conditions and document your findings.
i say we take up a collection fund your ammo for the experiment.
Or we can have brad ( AKA I like hevi13) get a temp part time job at colonial to get the real info that we all want.
on a side note how come that any have to be counterfeit. If star Dot designed it does it really matter who makes it. I mean in reality I should be able to manufacture them in my basement if we use star dot specs. NO?
I bet they all shoot the same. Writing or no writing knurling or strait lines.
By the way colonial has still never responded to any of my emails. I think there on to us and they are not talking.
I am going to do a test when I get some time with the different ones. I personally think they were all made at the same place and there is no "counterfeit". My friends family has owned a machine shop for 40+ year's doing government contracts for military vehicles and if you asked him about a part for a tank they made back in the late 90's I don't think he would remember to much of the details, and I'm sure its the same with the owner of ca. It sounds like there was business problems between ca and highlander sports, but we will never know for sure
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If we do finally find out the real answer how many of us will be left cold and lonely. Then what will we talk about.
Quote from: nflorek on June 21, 2013, 12:32:18 PM
This is what "I" believe to be the first ones out with the screw on star dot sights because there is no website anywhere on the package (internet wasn't all the big in the late 90's)and never remember the other blue and yellow packages till later on
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Well according to the owner of Colonial Arms that is incorrect. They made no Star Dot choke that had Preston Pittman or any writing on the tube.
I guess I'm gonna have to make another phone call and talk to Traci Denson.
Quote from: mikejd on June 21, 2013, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: nflorek on June 21, 2013, 12:45:57 PM
You can see the differences in some of the ones I have, the only consistency is they are all .676
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It is funny that we took this 6 pages so far and we still have no more info then we started.
but nflorek you might be the answer we need. we need you to shoot all of your chokes out of the same gun under the same conditions and document your findings.
i say we take up a collection fund your ammo for the experiment.
Or we can have brad ( AKA I like hevi13) get a temp part time job at colonial to get the real info that we all want.
on a side note how come that any have to be counterfeit. If star Dot designed it does it really matter who makes it. I mean in reality I should be able to manufacture them in my basement if we use star dot specs. NO?
I bet they all shoot the same. Writing or no writing knurling or strait lines.
By the way colonial has still never responded to any of my emails. I think there on to us and they are not talking.
I bet I can get an answer.
But I don't think I want to go through all this again with her on the phone. She's very concerned by what she says about Star Dot info. I keep telling her that company is long gone and out of business. They couldn't sue you if they wanted to. They have no money. And she will think I am a lawyer if I call her again. It took me awhile to get any info out of her the last time we spoke on the phone.
Maybe she is an owner or partner. I havnt made a call just sent emails. I am going to try once more. I have been letting it lay as to not bother anybody.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on June 21, 2013, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: mikejd on June 21, 2013, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: nflorek on June 21, 2013, 12:45:57 PM
You can see the differences in some of the ones I have, the only consistency is they are all .676
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It is funny that we took this 6 pages so far and we still have no more info then we started.
but nflorek you might be the answer we need. we need you to shoot all of your chokes out of the same gun under the same conditions and document your findings.
i say we take up a collection fund your ammo for the experiment.
Or we can have brad ( AKA I like hevi13) get a temp part time job at colonial to get the real info that we all want.
on a side note how come that any have to be counterfeit. If star Dot designed it does it really matter who makes it. I mean in reality I should be able to manufacture them in my basement if we use star dot specs. NO?
I bet they all shoot the same. Writing or no writing knurling or strait lines.
By the way colonial has still never responded to any of my emails. I think there on to us and they are not talking.
I bet I can get an answer.
Well when you call can you find out why if they didn't make them, they still use the px that they copied from the Pittmans at the end of all there extra full turkey chokes?
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You must be getting confused with Highlander Sports. The owner of Colonial Armns told me that is when the copying of their choke tube probably started. And it may even be like Mike said the ones that have straight grooves at the top were copied as well.
Go read this.
Remember Highlander went out of business in like 2003 or 2004.
http://www.manta.com/c/mmlw2cq/ptc-technologies
I just find it strange ca is using the px prefix at the end of the part number of there extra full turkey chokes, the same px is at the end of some of the pittmans.
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Here's another one I didn't know.
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/patent-lawsuits/texas-northern-district-court/27611/tru-glo-inc-v-highlander-sports-inc/summary/
Where are you seeing a px on the Pittman chokes? No chokes that I am aware of have a serial number on the choke tube itself.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on June 22, 2013, 12:13:50 AM
You must be getting confused with Highlander Sports. The owner of Colonial Armns told me that is when the copying of their choke tube probably started. And it may even be like Mike said the ones that have straight grooves at the top were copied as well.
This is the part were i am confused.
Did Colonial market there chokes as stardot. Or did "stardot" (wich very well may be walmart since they were one of the largest retailers of the infamous star dot. like Ozark trail for there camping stuff) Have colonial manufacture there chokes. If this is the case at anytime stardot could have legally found a new manufacturer for any number of reasons. Its hard to believe that another company would actually steal the stardot name. I mean why not make a new name its not like they invented the choke just a design.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on June 22, 2013, 12:36:57 AM
Where are you seeing a px on the Pittman chokes? No chokes that I am aware of have a serial number on the choke tube itself.
ipx so if ca didn't make the pittmans......and the originals had no writing? Why does ca still use the px?
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Maybe we need to ask preston and see what he knows.
Now I seee what you mean.
Ok which one of you guys wants to call Traci Denson and ask her these questions. I took the hit for us last time. I really don't want to take it again. You will see what I mean once you talk to her.
How do we reach her. Do I call colonial and just ask.
Quote from: mikejd on June 22, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
How do we reach her. Do I call colonial and just ask.
Yep. Just say I want to speak to the owner.
Also if you notice, on the preston pittman package, at the top were the 3 dot are they are green/red/green. on the original package thry are red/green/ red !
This is what min looks like.
Quote from: Grobec1 on June 25, 2013, 06:36:37 PM
This is what min looks like.
Grobec, I wish we could tell you who made it( beside stardot). Anyway how does she shoot.
With Winchester HV 3 1/2" #6 consistently shoots @ 126 in a 10" at 40yds.
with an even pattern. Never measured the 20". Shot one shell of hevi shot Mag Blend and got around the same #'s.
Quote from: Grobec1 on June 26, 2013, 08:21:16 AM
With Winchester HV 3 1/2" #6 consistently shoots @ 126 in a 10" at 40yds.
with an even pattern. Never measured the 20". Shot one shell of hevi shot Mag Blend and got around the same #'s.
Thats not very good. You should be almost double that.i would play with your shell combo.
any suggestions?
Hevi-13 3.5 2.25oz. 7's or 3.5 2.25oz nitro 7's
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Ok, Thanks
Quote from: nflorek on June 27, 2013, 07:33:18 PM
Hevi-13 3.5 2.25oz. 7's or 3.5 2.25oz nitro 7's
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That sounds good to me.