Do you guys think this is a good shot size to use out to 40 yards? I use #4's now but would like to switch to the 6's for the higher pellet count.
Both will work and kill at 40yds. 6 shot will give you more lethal hits to the head and the neck of the bird.
#6 in a heavier than lead shot is more than capable at the 40 yards. I have shot birds a varying distances with Hevi 6s and dropped them where they stood. A couple have flopped but most go down like a ton of bricks. If you are using lead 6s then I would suggest only using copper plated if shooting past 35 yards. Straight lead 6s can kill out to 40 but I have seen more than my fair share of birds just get stunned by them to just jump up and run off if you do not get to them in time to put your foot on their necks. In lead I always used #5s. Heavier than lead #6s is like shooting a lead #4. Good luck!
I was never comfortable in the ability of lead #6 to break neck bone or penetrate skull bone at 40 yards. I think in some cases it will work. But what happens when a guy says yes I have done it, but he is using a 28 inch barrel and it is leaving his gun at 1300 FPS but you are using a 20" and it is leaving your barrel at 1050 FPS. Or what about the day you are shooting into a 10 MPH head wind. I limited my shots to 30 yards back when using lead #6 to give myself a margin for error.
Now Winchester Xtended Range High Density at 1225 FPS or similar in #6, yes. It will kill at 40 yards every day with ample margin for error.
I switched to hevi•shot #6 and would not hesitate to shoot out to 40 yards. Get yourself some tin sheeting and hit the range, see what your gun and ammo will do.
Also winchester no longer makes their xtended range ammo.
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I've never had a problem with copperplated lead #6's killing out to 40 yards....in fact, I've killed with #7.5's that far before. Shooting #6's in any popular turkey load should kill just fine, as far as its pattern holds up.
I killed one once at 49 yards with a winchester high vel. 3 inch 6 shot. I miss judged the distance, but the shell did the job.
I shot federal 3'inch 2oz 7.5s and killed lots in the 40 yard range before I went to Nitros 6s will be fine
Quote from: stinkpickle on May 15, 2013, 05:07:06 PM
I've never had a problem with copperplated lead #6's killing out to 40 yards....in fact, I've killed with #7.5's that far before. Shooting #6's in any popular turkey load should kill just fine, as far as its pattern holds up.
I agree 100%. You can shoot a good load of lead 6's at 40yds, and as long as it patterns well the turkey ain't going anywhere as long as you center that pattern over the vitals.
I'm shooting 160-170 in a 10 @ 40 with Pb 6's. it will put em down @ 40 yds. I've shot combos that were closer to 100 in 10 @ 40 and had no problems killing turkeys from 35-40 with Pb 6's.
Quote from: Longshanks on May 15, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
I'm shooting 160-170 in a 10 @ 40 with Pb 6's. it will put em down @ 40 yds. I've shot combos that were closer to 100 in 10 @ 40 and had no problems killing turkeys from 35-40 with Pb 6's.
And tell the folks what gun, choke, and load your using.
If I am shooting Pb I sort of have a sweet spot for #4s and #5s. I have killed a pile of turkeys with #4s over the years with some at ranges unspeakable about on here (not that I advocate that sort of practice, but because of poor distance judgement). I guess it is an old school mentality I still posses from when almost everybody I knew shot #4s. They will wreck a longbeard when you can find a proper setup using #4s but finding that combo can be alot more time consuming and expensive when compared to shooting the smaller shot which usually produces adequate numbers in a variety of chokes. You cannot lay a #4 or #5 shot pattern beside a #6 shot pattern and compare them to each other. That is like comparing apples to oranges. You have to compare #4 shot patterns to #4 shot patterns and #5 shot patterns to #5 shot patterns. If I am shooting an HTL load though I have no concern shooting #6s. The #6 HTL loads will ruin a gobbler's day for sure and finding a combo that will produce consistently killing 40 yard patterns is most of time much easier than with Pb. Hope this helps.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 15, 2013, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 15, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
I'm shooting 160-170 in a 10 @ 40 with Pb 6's. it will put em down @ 40 yds. I've shot combos that were closer to 100 in 10 @ 40 and had no problems killing turkeys from 35-40 with Pb 6's.
And tell the folks what gun, choke, and load your using.
I am shooting a mossberg 500, 28 in barrel, remington nitro #4 1 7/8 oz, H.S undertaker turkey choke .665'' This choke is for lead or cp lead only.
Quote from: coyote1 on May 15, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 15, 2013, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 15, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
I'm shooting 160-170 in a 10 @ 40 with Pb 6's. it will put em down @ 40 yds. I've shot combos that were closer to 100 in 10 @ 40 and had no problems killing turkeys from 35-40 with Pb 6's.
And tell the folks what gun, choke, and load your using.
I am shooting a mossberg 500, 28 in barrel. H.S undertaker turkey choke.
I know where there is a Star Dot .668 choke that is supposed to shoot so well in Moss 500's and Win 1300's if you are interested. And we need to introduce you to Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's or #6's.
That Star Dot choke is new in package and the guy said he would take $25 plus shipping. If your interested, send me a pm.
I think my choke is ok, i average 9-10 pellets in the vitals at 40 yards with the 4's. I figure if i switch to 5's or 6's i could increase the count at that range. Hevi-shot is a little out of my price range. I looked them up, is $25 for five right?
Quote from: coyote1 on May 16, 2013, 12:32:53 AM
I think my choke is ok, i average 9-10 pellets in the vitals at 40 yards with the 4's. I figure if i switch to 5's or 6's i could increase the count at that range.
Well a lot of it depends on what size turkey target your actually shooting at makes a huge difference on your outcome of hits to the vitals.
If you made the switch to Hevi-13 loads in either 6's or 7's you would smoke your lead 4 10" numbers by double with the 6's and maybe even triple with the 7's.
That's providing you upgrade your choke more than likely and find one that shoots better than the Undertaker.
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I won't steer you wrong. I will bet money that Star Dot choke will shoot the loads I told you about so much better than what patterns your getting now with lead 4's. Don't forget about the rebate I told you about by going here.
http://www.hevishot.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=16&Itemid=65
Hevi 13 weights 12 g/cc, lead usually between 10.7 to 11.2 g/cc. There is not that much difference between the two. If you have a good patterning lead #6 combo it will kill one at 40 yds. just as dead as hevi #6. Hevi #6 will pattern better with the right combo, just have to ask yourself if it's really worth spending the extra money on hevi. I shoot lead so my answer is no.
Lead #6s does not always break the neck at 40 yards. When shooting lead I was scared to shoot many birds that were probably 35- 40 yards because I was unsure if the lead would do its job. Had many of birds that I shot with lead #5s at 35 - 40 yards just get stunned. At that time you shot the bird and jumped up and ran as fast as you could to it so that if it did not break the neck and just stunned the bird you could get you foot on his neck before he got his bearings back. Copper plated lead was better but still never took no chances. Hevi-Shot #6 is like shooting a lead #4 with more hits on the bird. These days as 35 - 40 yards with Hevi #6s I squeeze the trigger, watch him drop, say my thank you prayer, then slowly make my way to the bird.
I remember back when I used to shoot the old Fed Remium gold box 3" 2oz copper plated #6's that patterned better than any other 3" lead shell at the time. I shot one farther than I care to mention here that killed him no problemo. And that was with a 21" barrel 870. At 40yds with this load any bird I shot would have been toast.
Quote from: davisd9 on May 16, 2013, 02:05:23 PM
Lead #6s does not always break the neck at 40 yards. When shooting lead I was scared to shoot many birds that were probably 35- 40 yards because I was unsure if the lead would do its job. Had many of birds that I shot with lead #5s at 35 - 40 yards just get stunned. At that time you shot the bird and jumped up and ran as fast as you could to it so that if it did not break the neck and just stunned the bird you could get you foot on his neck before he got his bearings back. Copper plated lead was better but still never took no chances. Hevi-Shot #6 is like shooting a lead #4 with more hits on the bird. These days as 35 - 40 yards with Hevi #6s I squeeze the trigger, watch him drop, say my thank you prayer, then slowly make my way to the bird.
Which #6's and #5's were you shooting that only stunned birds?
Quote from: stinkpickle on May 16, 2013, 03:09:50 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on May 16, 2013, 02:05:23 PM
Lead #6s does not always break the neck at 40 yards. When shooting lead I was scared to shoot many birds that were probably 35- 40 yards because I was unsure if the lead would do its job. Had many of birds that I shot with lead #5s at 35 - 40 yards just get stunned. At that time you shot the bird and jumped up and ran as fast as you could to it so that if it did not break the neck and just stunned the bird you could get you foot on his neck before he got his bearings back. Copper plated lead was better but still never took no chances. Hevi-Shot #6 is like shooting a lead #4 with more hits on the bird. These days as 35 - 40 yards with Hevi #6s I squeeze the trigger, watch him drop, say my thank you prayer, then slowly make my way to the bird.
Which #6's and #5's were you shooting that only stunned birds?
Federals and Winchesters. I would not say it happened alot, but it was always a possibility past 35 yards.
I'm going to have to say if your not killing birds at 35 to 40 yds clean and only stunning them, that has alot more to do with your gun and choke combo or you poa/poi is off. I shoot #5's most of the time and have shot my share of #6's as well. I have never shot a bird inside 40 yds. that was only stunned, as a matter of fact most you might as well have hit them with a sledge hammer because they were flattened. I've had the same results with a number of them that were a few yards further than 40 that were a result of misjudged distance.
All I can do is speak of my experiences. Others may have seen different results, but I have spoke with veteran hunters and a few would say the same. Guess it goes to show nothing is 100% for everyone.
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I will have to agree that Pb 6s will kill every turkey you center in the pattern at 40 yds provided you are still putting 100 pellets in a 10" circle. They will penetrate 1.6" of ballistic gel at 40 when launched at 1200 fps (faster is a bonus). I consider 1.25" penetration more than adequate. Out to 40 yds, the only problem with lead is maintaining killing patterns, not pellet energy/penetration.
Quote from: BandedSpur on May 16, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
I will have to agree that Pb 6s will kill every turkey you center in the pattern at 40 yds provided you are still putting 100 pellets in a 10" circle. They will penetrate 1.6" of ballistic gel at 40 when launched at 1200 fps (faster is a bonus). I consider 1.25" penetration more than adequate. Out to 40 yds, the only problem with lead is maintaining killing patterns, not pellet energy/penetration.
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Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 16, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: BandedSpur on May 16, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
I will have to agree that Pb 6s will kill every turkey you center in the pattern at 40 yds provided you are still putting 100 pellets in a 10" circle. They will penetrate 1.6" of ballistic gel at 40 when launched at 1200 fps (faster is a bonus). I consider 1.25" penetration more than adequate. Out to 40 yds, the only problem with lead is maintaining killing patterns, not pellet energy/penetration.
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If it patterns well at 40 yd. and out of a magnum load with a velocity of at least 1090fps,they will kill, but over the years I have hunted, the cripples and barely killed turkeys inside of 40 yd, were from lead 6's, this was years ago before good turkey loads came along,I switched to hevi shot and heavy weight shot a around 7 years ago, and have yet to lose 1, and some have been killed past the max range said to be on here.Hevi shot 6 or 7's are deadly as anything on turkeys,and the federal heavyweight 7's are murder, Penetration ! and bone breaking to say the least,you got to have it, hvl loads are hard and will not flatten or stick to a skull or neck bone,it will slam through it and go on .Shoot lead 6's all you feel like,but do not cry when a turkey leaves you. Good Luck.
#6 copperplated lead is my favorite. I use 10 and 12 ga. Win. "Supreme" HV 2oz. loads and have no problem taking out old tom at 40 yards plus or minus a few yards. Pattern density is the key to clean kills no matter what size shot you are using!
Quote from: Lucky Clucker on May 17, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
If it patterns well at 40 yd. and out of a magnum load with a velocity of at least 1090fps,they will kill, but over the years I have hunted, the cripples and barely killed turkeys inside of 40 yd, were from lead 6's, this was years ago before good turkey loads came along,I switched to hevi shot and heavy weight shot a around 7 years ago, and have yet to lose 1, and some have been killed past the max range said to be on here.Hevi shot 6 or 7's are deadly as anything on turkeys,and the federal heavyweight 7's are murder, Penetration ! and bone breaking to say the least,you got to have it, hvl loads are hard and will not flatten or stick to a skull or neck bone,it will slam through it and go on .Shoot lead 6's all you feel like,but do not cry when a turkey leaves you. Good Luck.
I find that rather odd, after watching my buddy flatten a gobbler this season at 46 yards with a load of 3.5" win xx 6's. Broken neck, not going ANYWHERE. Upon inspection later I noticed about a dozen bloody holes on the opposite side of the birds head/neck from which it was shot. Yes, the puny lead 6's completely penetrated the bird at that distance. 40yds=not a problem
Quote from: coyote1 on May 15, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
Do you guys think this is a good shot size to use out to 40 yards? I use #4's now but would like to switch to the 6's for the higher pellet count.
I only use 6's and 40 is no problem with the right choke/shell combo.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 15, 2013, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 15, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
I'm shooting 160-170 in a 10 @ 40 with Pb 6's. it will put em down @ 40 yds. I've shot combos that were closer to 100 in 10 @ 40 and had no problems killing turkeys from 35-40 with Pb 6's.
And tell the folks what gun, choke, and load your using.
Rem 870SM/ ventilator .655/ win 3/2/6's Pb
Quote from: Longshanks on May 20, 2013, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on May 15, 2013, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 15, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
I'm shooting 160-170 in a 10 @ 40 with Pb 6's. it will put em down @ 40 yds. I've shot combos that were closer to 100 in 10 @ 40 and had no problems killing turkeys from 35-40 with Pb 6's.
And tell the folks what gun, choke, and load your using.
Rem 870SM/ ventilator .655/ win 3/2/6's Pb
That's incredible. I guess I'm going to have to buy me another one of them Ventilator .655 chokes since I gave mine away to my buddy's son. Can I ask what load are you shooting? Is that the high velocity?
Its the Win XX 3" 2 ounce load. The black box/red shell. It will shoot good patterns with the super -X 1 7/8 (grey box) and the HV 1 3/4( black box) loads as well although the numbers aren't nearly as high.(130's-140's) . Kinda confusing with the new shells. Looks like they are calling the HV shells.. XX as well on the new boxes. I haven't tryed the Win 3.5/2.25/6's. I would imagine it would shoot a heck of a pattern but would kick like a mule.
Quote from: Longshanks on May 21, 2013, 08:41:19 AM
Its the Win XX 3" 2 ounce load. The black box/red shell. It will shoot good patterns with the super -X 1 7/8 (grey box) and the HV 1 3/4( black box) loads as well although the numbers aren't nearly as high.(130's-140's) . Kinda confusing with the new shells. Looks like they are calling the HV shells.. XX as well on the new boxes. I haven't tryed the Win 3.5/2.25/6's. I would imagine it would shoot a heck of a pattern but would kick like a mule.
Thank you.
Quote from: jblackburn on May 20, 2013, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: coyote1 on May 15, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
Do you guys think this is a good shot size to use out to 40 yards? I use #4's now but would like to switch to the 6's for the higher pellet count.
I only use 6's and 40 is no problem with the right choke/shell combo.
Yup, win XX , super X, and HV 6's are all I shoot in my leadslingers. Inside 40 they are killers. I can't remember losing a turkey with them. I have missed a couple turkeys up close with Nitro 4x5x7 and that's the only turkeys I have lost in allot of years.
QuoteShoot lead 6's all you feel like,but do not cry when a turkey leaves you.
I've noticed over the years that nobody ever questions the power of #5 Lead.