Im revoking my own man card.... make that THREE MISSES!!! I called in a gobbler within 10 minutes of calling set up in the same place as my afternoon miss monday evening and he came in and hung up at 50 yards... I had every intention of letting him walk in my lap and he spotted something and started clucking... he took 4-5 steps away and I let some #5 fly his away and away he went... This is getting old Im not this bad of a turkey hunter.... :angry9:.......
You will get one... just hang tough. 50+ yds can be a long shot.... are you confident in your pattern at that range? I have been getting much better patterns since I switched to Hevi 13 Magnum Blend ammunition.
1) have more respect for the game than to just blaze at 50 plus. You said it yourself - you are frustrated and you made a poor decision and shot as a result. No doubt that you put a few pellets into him, not likely you had a dead clean 100% miss at 50.
2) if you have seriously missed 3 times this season, stop. Go back to the basics and figure out what you are screwing up. Have someone watch you or film yourself to see if you are jerking your shot.
3) get 'em closer and get 'em in the bag.
Good luck.
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 11, 2013, 07:48:45 PM
Im revoking my own man card.... make that THREE MISSES!!! I called in a gobbler within 10 minutes of calling set up in the same place as my afternoon miss monday evening and he came in and hung up at 50 yards... I had every intention of letting him walk in my lap and he spotted something and started clucking... he took 4-5 steps away and I let some #4 fly his away and away he went... This is getting old Im not this bad of a turkey hunter.... :angry9:.......
OK to start this is why here at Old Gobbler there are rules about posts about shooting over 40 yards. I am not judging you but beware that topics that talk about these long range shots will stir up a hornets nest. The reason why is b/c shots over 40 yds have a greater chance of wounding & not killing the bird humanely. Spaightlabs post is spot on. If you were sure about your guns patterns b/f the season started I would first shoot at a closer range & even shoot your gun b/f you go out again just to make sure. Good luck for the remainder of your season.
Relax and enjoy just being there. Head down on the stock and squeeze. I missed a dandy in Ky. one year cause I was looking over the barrel at the bird instead of getting my head down on the stock.
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 11, 2013, 08:27:11 PM
1) have more respect for the game than to just blaze at 50 plus. You said it yourself - you are frustrated and you made a poor decision and shot as a result. No doubt that you put a few pellets into him, not likely you had a dead clean 100% miss at 50.
2) if you have seriously missed 3 times this season, stop. Go back to the basics and figure out what you are screwing up. Have someone watch you or film yourself to see if you are jerking your shot.
3) get 'em closer and get 'em in the bag.
Good luck.
X3
Yeah like I said in my other post in another topic its not my pattern Im not some yahoo going trigger happy at the first head I see at a cray distance. I use hevi shot #5's in a 2 ounce and I have a good pattern at 50 I got the gun and patterened it a year or two ago. yeah all 3 misses have been between 40-50 which is in range and Im not trying to stir the pot on any over 40 rule Im just frustrated. I havent missed 3 birds total in turkey hunting before this year and now im batting 0-3. The problem this year is a problem I have never had before is being spotted. I dont know what it is I have the same gear as last year when I killed 2 birds but for some reason they're seeing something they dont like. I have a she-mobile hen I usually put in a breeding position and a 1/4 jake strutting I think its from flextone and I didnt have a problem decoying them in last year Im going to try a pop up blind and see if that helps although I think Ive given this bird a lot of education so Im not totally sure decoys are going to work now either.
No doubt about it.... Time to re-pattern.
sometimes you just get those years just enjoy the close encounters with them turkeys
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 11, 2013, 07:48:45 PM
Im revoking my own man card.... make that THREE MISSES!!! I called in a gobbler within 10 minutes of calling set up in the same place as my afternoon miss monday evening and he came in and hung up at 50 yards... I had every intention of letting him walk in my lap and he spotted something and started clucking... he took 4-5 steps away and I let some #4 fly his away and away he went... This is getting old Im not this bad of a turkey hunter.... :angry9:.......
man in you're shooting lead #4's I'd be real surprised if you had a true "killing pattern" at 50+ yards. That's not to say that you couldnt do it every once in a while but that's a LONG shot for any lead loads, no matter how good your choke and gun shoot, and you dont want to wound them.
The long shot aside, if you're missing 3 times then I'd be patterning NOW. Hell, I missed one time the other day (from 5 yards) and I immediately went and shot a target right after, to check that my gun didnt get knocked off site since the last time I'd killed one, a few days prior.
If nothing else, it'll give you piece of mind knowing your gun isnt the problem and that you need to fix something in your shooting.
The thing people seem to misunderstand about patterning on out there is that you need to consider reliability. A pattern can fall apart in just five yards. The maximum distance varies with conditions. If your gun is good at forty one day, it might be good at only thirty-five on another. You need some cushion to ensure reliability.
Anyhow, a couple ounces of lead sixes should flat out deck one when shot at thirty to forty yards. If you're not choked too tight it should be an easy shot as long as your head is down on the stock. Perhaps you should go back to basics with a plain ol' bead and load of sixes. I'd get my eyes checked to see if I need new contacts, too. Your brain could've had you shooting at the wrong turkey.
Dude in all do respect your bringing most of this on yourself. First know your gun and how it patterns and it's POI. Second patience kills turkeys and that includes the trigger finger.
you should spend some time working with you gun... check the POA / sights....shoot some. And whatever you do... get rid of the #4 lead. Get some HEVI #7
Im not easily offended so I can take whatever advice or berating anyone wants to give to me because I can always learn from someone and Im sorry for the type-o guys I didnt realie that I said #4 I meant #5 HEVI #5 but just for good measure I went out today to gander mountain in Knoxville and bought some of those god awful expensive 4, 5, 6 load HEVI and a box of 2 1/4 ounce #5 Nitro and I will test these two to see if they will do better. I bought another choke to try out too with my moss 535 but it didnt fit. (hard to find chokes for 500 models in store) maybe I need to upgrade to a 835 or 935 but I would really love to move up to a SBEII for duck too...
And while we're on this re-patterening lesson what do you guys think is a good pattern vs a bad pattern? I assume just as I would do for a deer rifle shooting different loads will get a different result...
I think your answer is in your posts itself. You said you missed him with #4's and then said you patterned a year or 2 ago with number 5's. Each shot size shoots different. Just because there is a goid pattern with 5's definately doesn't mean 4's will pattern the same. It is my opinion and just my opinion guns should be pattetned every years. Things get bumped, things loosen things change
Your set up us more than likely fine. I would save your money. Range estimation, over confidence, recoil anticipation, whatever--they are all break downs of the basics which will make you miss.
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my bad. Just saw where you said you had a typo still. Weather conditions, new loads can pattern different. By that I mean your old shells and new ones, of the same kind
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Im not easily offended so I can take whatever advice or berating anyone wants to give to me because I can always learn from someone and Im sorry for the type-o guys I didnt realie that I said #4 I meant #5 HEVI #5 but just for good measure I went out today to gander mountain in Knoxville and bought some of those god awful expensive 4, 5, 6 load HEVI and a box of 2 1/4 ounce #5 Nitro and I will test these two to see if they will do better. I bought another choke to try out too with my moss 535 but it didnt fit. (hard to find chokes for 500 models in store) maybe I need to upgrade to a 835 or 935 but I would really love to move up to a SBEII for duck too...
If you have a box of Hevi 4-5-6 from enviro-metal I will eat the box it came in. Be kind of surprisedifyou found Nitros at Gander too.
Starting to smell funny in here?
would you like a pic of the boxes and receipt from where I bought them today??? It can be arranged...
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 12, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Im not easily offended so I can take whatever advice or berating anyone wants to give to me because I can always learn from someone and Im sorry for the type-o guys I didnt realie that I said #4 I meant #5 HEVI #5 but just for good measure I went out today to gander mountain in Knoxville and bought some of those god awful expensive 4, 5, 6 load HEVI and a box of 2 1/4 ounce #5 Nitro and I will test these two to see if they will do better. I bought another choke to try out too with my moss 535 but it didnt fit. (hard to find chokes for 500 models in store) maybe I need to upgrade to a 835 or 935 but I would really love to move up to a SBEII for duck too...
If you have a box of Hevi 4-5-6 from enviro-metal I will eat the box it came in. Be kind of surprisedifyou found Nitros at Gander too.
Starting to smell funny in here?
Where do I send this box?
mag blends are all over .. I bought a box at Gander yesterday. Now... #7 HEVI... have to order those.
Quote from: FL-Boss on April 12, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
mag blends are all over .. I bought a box at Gander yesterday. Now... #7 HEVI... have to order those.
Why would you use #7 it just seems too small...
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 12, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Im not easily offended so I can take whatever advice or berating anyone wants to give to me because I can always learn from someone and Im sorry for the type-o guys I didnt realie that I said #4 I meant #5 HEVI #5 but just for good measure I went out today to gander mountain in Knoxville and bought some of those god awful expensive 4, 5, 6 load HEVI and a box of 2 1/4 ounce #5 Nitro and I will test these two to see if they will do better. I bought another choke to try out too with my moss 535 but it didnt fit. (hard to find chokes for 500 models in store) maybe I need to upgrade to a 835 or 935 but I would really love to move up to a SBEII for duck too...
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If you have a box of Hevi 4-5-6 from enviro-metal I will eat the box it came in. Be kind of surprisedifyou found Nitros at Gander too.
Starting to smell funny in here?
Where do I send this box?
Y'all gonna be eatin' that box at yo house. That there is 5-6-7...
And them ain't Nitros. Them is Remingtons.
The box will go down better with a sauce.
100$+ on completely unnecessary stuff. everybody likes to rush out and buy new/different stuff when they don't kill the prey they're after, but no one likes to look at themselves at realize what the real problem is. "40-50" yards is too far to shoot a turkey reliably, period. i'd wager from the sound of things that at least one of your birds were farther then 50 yards anyway. stop buying all that crap and get back to basics. practice shooting your gun without flinching and get the bird 30 yards or less.
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: FL-Boss on April 12, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
mag blends are all over .. I bought a box at Gander yesterday. Now... #7 HEVI... have to order those.
Why would you use #7 it just seems too small...
That's what you are shooting in your Mag Blends, about a 1/4oz of 5's, 1/4oz of 6's and the rest 7's.
Quote from: Tom Foolery on April 12, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: FL-Boss on April 12, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
mag blends are all over .. I bought a box at Gander yesterday. Now... #7 HEVI... have to order those.
Why would you use #7 it just seems too small...
That's what you are shooting in your Mag Blends, about a 1/4oz of 5's, 1/4oz of 6's and the rest 7's.
Its not straight #7 tho and I was in a hurry when I picked these up and I was thinking they were 4 5 6 not 5 6 7 I didnt really look closely at them before I bought them. Everyone as talking about re patterning and I only have 2 shells left of these #5 hevi's so I thought Id try something else when I couldnt find any in Knox (I originally bought the #5's online)
Nothing at all wrong with the Mag Blends and you should get a great pattern with them but don't discount the 7's as they are very lethal on birds.
I missed a tom and a coyote last season back to back days. I checked my pattern and sure enough my sights were off, I had snagged them on something and almost ripped them off my gun.
Good luck the rest of season.
As for HEVI #7... research the forum... you will see. It's not like the #7 "dove loads" most people new to turkey loads think about. It's not too small...knockdown power is the same.... just a lot more shot and margin for error. Again,,, use the search.... check your POA, and POI... get to know your gun.
Shooting some dove loads instead of any of these turkey loads should tell me if the sights are off which I dont think they are... Guys I didnt go out and buy that today thinking this is going to be some sort of magic and solve a problem I do think it was me on the first shot but the second two misses I felt comfortable with and I just didnt feel like it was me. I obviously dont know what nitro's actually are tho Ive seen these nirto turkey loads from remington before for years and when I heard nitro I assumed thats what they were I can see what assuming made of me...
Number 7's are deadly in my set up! A lot guys have great success with them.
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 12, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Im not easily offended so I can take whatever advice or berating anyone wants to give to me because I can always learn from someone and Im sorry for the type-o guys I didnt realie that I said #4 I meant #5 HEVI #5 but just for good measure I went out today to gander mountain in Knoxville and bought some of those god awful expensive 4, 5, 6 load HEVI and a box of 2 1/4 ounce #5 Nitro and I will test these two to see if they will do better. I bought another choke to try out too with my moss 535 but it didnt fit. (hard to find chokes for 500 models in store) maybe I need to upgrade to a 835 or 935 but I would really love to move up to a SBEII for duck too...
If you have a box of Hevi 4-5-6 from enviro-metal I will eat the box it came in. Be kind of surprisedifyou found Nitros at Gander too.
Starting to smell funny in here?
Where do I send this box?
Wrong Nitros. This is the Nitros everyone talks about. nitrocompany.com First thing I would do is ditch the decoys and make em come looking for me and fine tune your setup
just spend some time working with you gun. Know your gun. Shot some big poster board at 15 -20 yards with cheap ammo to check the point of aim. Once you have the sights correct.. move back to 40 yards with those Mag Blends.. or HEVI #7 and let her rip. Post result of the 40 yard targets...
Quote from: ziggy on April 12, 2013, 09:30:15 PM
100$+ on completely unnecessary stuff. everybody likes to rush out and buy new/different stuff when they don't kill the prey they're after, but no one likes to look at themselves at realize what the real problem is. "40-50" yards is too far to shoot a turkey reliably, period. i'd wager from the sound of things that at least one of your birds were farther then 50 yards anyway. stop buying all that crap and get back to basics. practice shooting your gun without flinching and get the bird 30 yards or less.
oh so very true
not to be a stick in the mud maybe it you there seeing and not wanting to come in . i quit running around in the woods and sitting on the ground , and started just sit in my big blind and call them to me . most of the time there under 20 yards .we shoot the at 3 yards out to 40 yards . our kill rate went way up and the big tom most of the time just walk right out from behind you right next to the blind .
Quote from: firstflight111 on April 14, 2013, 04:04:40 PM
not to be a stick in the mud maybe it you there seeing and not wanting to come in . i quit running around in the woods and sitting on the ground , and started just sit in my big blind and call them to me . most of the time there under 20 yards .we shoot the at 3 yards out to 40 yards . our kill rate went way up and the big tom most of the time just walk right out from behind you right next to the blind .
I bought a ground blind for the first time a few days ago but Im still waiting on it to arrive. Let me ask you this is your blind up all the time or do you pack in it and out because Ive seen a lot of people post about leaving it in the woods for a few days before hunting it.
Quote from: MouthCaller on April 12, 2013, 09:58:16 PM
Shooting some dove loads instead of any of these turkey loads should tell me if the sights are off which I dont think they are...
every load may pattern differently. Use the cheap stuff to get you in the general area and if it's "pretty close" with the cheap stuff then switch over to the actual shells you plan to hunt with and make sure they are dead on.