Took the 870sm out to test some more lead loads with the SSX after two shots with the fed turkey thug 3.5-6's i tried to swap chokes, well it aint happnin! I have the barrel full of foaming bore cleaner now. Anyone have any issues like this with the SSX?
Not a lick of trouble with mine. I have shot around 35 shells out of my 835 and my SSX. Dove, Hevi-13, and Win XRHD loads.
Strange, i put lube on the threads like i normally do and hand tightened. Dunno...
Quote from: Philippe on April 06, 2013, 03:57:56 PM
Took the 870sm out to test some more lead loads with the SSX after two shots with the fed turkey thug 3.5-6's i tried to swap chokes, well it aint happnin! I have the barrel full of foaming bore cleaner now. Anyone have any issues like this with the SSX?
I've never had a choke of any brand seize in a barrel but I've removed a few, lots of brands, for fellow shooters. Some type of penetrating oil, WD-40, etc. applied liberally in and around the choke tube, a pair of vice grip pliers and a good bit of patience are usually required to remove one that is really stuck. A couple of turns at a time, at best, are what has worked in the past for me.
A lot of heat is generated by turning a stuck choke out and liberal amounts of the penetrating oil, regularly applied, are usually necessary. If the choke is stuck that badly, I would not be too concerned about the effects of the vice grips but you could pad them.
A couple of years ago a friend brought his gun to me with a brand new choke tube stuck as tightly as any I've ever seen. He'd shot it only a few times. It literally took me a good bit of 2 days, working on it for 1/2 hour at a time, using a full can of WD-40 and a lot of sweat to get it out.
Again, liberal amounts of penetrating oil and patience are usually needed to extract a stuck choke tube.
If I can help in any way, please let me know.
Thanks,
Clark
Kroil
I've armed myself with a can of deep creep, kroil a nice hair dryer for heat and padded adjustable pliers and just made a fresh kettle of tea. Seriously hope this works out, that choke shoots amazing patterns with those thugs!
Man, hate that for ya! My invector + ssx shoots really good patterns also. Never had a issue with a stuck choke, hope I never do. Good luck getting it out.
I have had a ssx swell in my supernova. And have seen another swell in a benelli. Won't ever use one again. To many better quality chokes made in the USA, not China.
Im just upset because i finally got one of the shotguns i've always wanted and took my time with 10 defferent chokes and many different shells, got it shooting great with mag blends and lead and this decides to happen! Then to top it off my hunting lease backed out on me so now im stuck on public land hunting blind...
My SSX swelled slightly in my SBE II after I ran some Hevi Mag Blends through it, just enough though to conform to the barrel circumference where the choke seats though. It goes in and out without any trouble but snug! Yours could have swelled to the point that the threads are locked, ive heard people having issues with there guns threads not being tough enough to handle that set up FYI
Ok finally got it out! From the time I posted this until now i had the muzzle end plugged and filled with seafoams deep creep, then i stuck it in my deep freezer for a few hours. Pulled it out, wipped off the frost and stuck a small stainless steel rod i had thru the ports on the choke and popped it right off. I had indeed lubed the threads, apparently the choke must have been made a tad small and fire formed to the barrel. It looks fine now and seems to thread back in ok after i cleaned it and reapplied fresh choke lube.
I always take mine out each time I clean my gun. When I put it back together I will take a tooth brush and put some break free on the threads. Works good for me.
This brings up a question for me. Does anyone use the anti-sieze lube that you put on the threads of a muzzleloader's breech plug?
I never do anything but make sure my threads are clean, and I have cleaned out my gun's threads in the barrel before I re-install my choke.
Quote from: chatterbox on April 07, 2013, 06:37:32 AM
This brings up a question for me. Does anyone use the anti-sieze lube that you put on the threads of a muzzleloader's breech plug?
I never do anything but make sure my threads are clean, and I have cleaned out my gun's threads in the barrel before I re-install my choke.
I recommend exactly what you're doing. I never put anything on choke threads, just clean thoroughly and install. It's also important to clean the threads in the muzzle of your gun. It does not take much "gunk" to cause a problem there.
Thanks,
Clark
Quote from: Philippe on April 06, 2013, 11:31:57 PM
Ok finally got it out! From the time I posted this until now i had the muzzle end plugged and filled with seafoams deep creep, then i stuck it in my deep freezer for a few hours. Pulled it out, wipped off the frost and stuck a small stainless steel rod i had thru the ports on the choke and popped it right off. I had indeed lubed the threads, apparently the choke must have been made a tad small and fire formed to the barrel. It looks fine now and seems to thread back in ok after i cleaned it and reapplied fresh choke lube.
I'm glad to hear that you were able to remove it. Since it now goes back in and out freely, my guess is that there must have been some "gunk" of some kind that had gotten in your threads somehow and was just enough to lock it in place.
I never use anything on choke threads, just clean everything thoroughly. Tolerances can be very tight on some chokes/guns.
Glad you got your choke out but sorry to hear about your lease. Good luck this spring.
Thanks,
Clark
While i have a great respect for Clark(he's probably forgotten more about shotgus than i will ever know!)i'm going to have to disagree a little on the use of anti seize.A lot of guys will install a choke tube dry and leave it in for long periods of time without removing it as part of their gun cleaning regimen.It mostley occurrs when a gun is out in the cold and brought in a warm house repeately over the course of a season.The steel warms up and condensation forms between the choke and barrel,which if not lubed will start to rust and add in a minor amount of choke swell and you end up with a stuck tube.Now that is more common to happen on a waterfowl gun that sees cold temps and steel shot,but it can happen in any gun.I use a small amount of a high quality anti seize on the threads,i screw the choke in to seat it,then i remove it and wipe of the excess,wipe a small amount of light lube on the unthreaded portion of the choke and then reinstall.Just a small amount,a little bit will go a long way!Then i leave it in till turkey season is over,so there is no possibility of a poi change.Then it stays in until seasons over and sleep easy knowing it will come out.I'm with Clark with cleaning the threads on choke and in the gun,can get alot of gunk built up there that can cause problems,i clean them every time i do a complete cleaning,especially before any long term storage.Just passing along what works for me..ward
But i think sometime a tube can get stuck due to a "stack up" in tolerances.If a choke tube o.d. is toward the max allowable specs,and the barrel i.d. is on the small side,htl,which is harder than steel is pushed through it,it may cause it to stick due to a small amount of swelling.I believe all chokes will swell to a small degree when shooting htl or steel through them,so its possible that is what occured.Not stating this as fact,just my opinion on when a new choke,installed correctly, gets stuck for no obvious reasons.
Quote from: the Ward on April 07, 2013, 10:06:52 AM
But i think sometime a tube can get stuck due to a "stack up" in tolerances.If a choke tube o.d. is toward the max allowable specs,and the barrel i.d. is on the small side,htl,which is harder than steel is pushed through it,it may cause it to stick due to a small amount of swelling.I believe all chokes will swell to a small degree when shooting htl or steel through them,so its possible that is what occured.Not stating this as fact,just my opinion on when a new choke,installed correctly, gets stuck for no obvious reasons.
No HTL of any type has been thru this choke yet. Just lead. Im hesitant to even shoot it again.
I used to just put a light coat of Rem oil on my choke threads and I never had any issues with stuck chokes. I now put a little of the Pro Shot choke tube lube. It only takes a little bit. It's supposed to prevent choke tubes from being seized. Some chokes depending on how they are theaded will have a tendency to tighten up a lot tighter than others. Some chokes have a tendency to not tighten up as tight and actually can come lose after shooting. Some of the chokes that tighten up more than others have a tendency to only get tighter the more you shoot through it. You may have got one of those chokes. I would get some of the anti seize choke lube and use it. I would spray that choke after you clean it with Rem oil. on the threads. Then apply the anti seize choke lube. Just put a little dab on the lower threads.
http://www.proshotproducts.com/Choke-Tube-Lube-2-oz-jar_p_613.html
Trust me nothing will prevent a choke from getting stuck, seized or corroded up to where you can't remove it better than a good choke anti seize. Using Rem oil only will most of the time work, but using both will be the best of both worlds.
All the Rem oil does and it's best to spray it on the threads with the yellow nozzle prior to applying the choke lube is it makes sure that all debris is removed from threads and it also provides a layer of corrosion resistance. Try this method and don't let what happen to you ever happen again. And another thing is don't over tighten your choke tubes.
Quote from: the Ward on April 07, 2013, 09:44:36 AM
While i have a great respect for Clark(he's probably forgotten more about shotgus than i will ever know!)i'm going to have to disagree a little on the use of anti seize.A lot of guys will install a choke tube dry and leave it in for long periods of time without removing it as part of their gun cleaning regimen.It mostley occurrs when a gun is out in the cold and brought in a warm house repeately over the course of a season.The steel warms up and condensation forms between the choke and barrel,which if not lubed will start to rust and add in a minor amount of choke swell and you end up with a stuck tube.Now that is more common to happen on a waterfowl gun that sees cold temps and steel shot,but it can happen in any gun.I use a small amount of a high quality anti seize on the threads,i screw the choke in to seat it,then i remove it and wipe of the excess,wipe a small amount of light lube on the unthreaded portion of the choke and then reinstall.Just a small amount,a little bit will go a long way!Then i leave it in till turkey season is over,so there is no possibility of a poi change.Then it stays in until seasons over and sleep easy knowing it will come out.I'm with Clark with cleaning the threads on choke and in the gun,can get alot of gunk built up there that can cause problems,i clean them every time i do a complete cleaning,especially before any long term storage.Just passing along what works for me..ward
You have properly corrected me. I shoot pretty much all year long, unless the weather just won't allow me to do that. I change chokes in many of my guns quite often and each time I do that, I normally clean threads on both the choke and in the gun barrel.
Not many of my shotguns are stored for any period of time but when they are and if they have removable chokes, I will lubricate them while they are stored. When I get them out to shoot them, I'll clean off the lubrication and shoot them dry. I've followed that procedure for so many years, I'm not even sure when I started it but it's worked for me and I've never had a tube seize in a barrel.
Of the barrels I've seen with seized tubes, most have used a system where chokes thread at the muzzle end. Chokes shoot a bit loose and then gas and or debris blows by and causes the choke to either collapse (much worse than expanding) or expand. Extraction can be very difficult and those chokes are always ruined and will never go back into the barrel.
I have also seen circumstances when grit has somehow entered the muzzle and gotten into the threads and caused extraction to become very difficult but when the tube is extracted you can see no damage to anything whatsoever, just a bunch of gunk that needs to be removed.
It is also true that anything that can happen will happen and if you stay around these guns long enough and see enough of them, you'll probably see it.
Thanks again,
Clark
And as Clark mentioned, it is a good idea to clean the barrel choke thread as well from time to time. I usually do this when I clean my barrel. But I don't clean my barrel but as often as some.
Clark and Hevi,thanks for the info!.You both brought up some very good points concerning the choke threads, and also where they're placed on the choke itself.That's why i love OG,the more i'm on here the more i learn new things that i might otherwise not have thought of!Maybe Philippe can return it if he has anymore problems with it sticking and get a new one to try.I think tru-glo has a warranty on them but not positive.Might have just gotten a bad one,it happens once in a while.Thanks again guys,and i hope you get it working good Philippe!...ward
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on April 07, 2013, 12:51:59 PM
Trust me nothing will prevent a choke from getting stuck, seized or corroded up to where you can't remove it better than a good choke anti seize. Using Rem oil only will most of the time work, but using both will be the best of both worlds.
Rem oil works well for me. Never had a choke stick, even through high volume dove shooting.
Myles,
I haven't either. But I had a guy tell me why not use the best stuff on the market just to be over sure. For $6 like he said, better safe than sorry. So I now use both.