Thanks Ricky. I am blaming you on this one. I just had to buy it after talking to you about this choke and hearing about your killer patterns. Local store had these for quite awhile. But you magblend pattern made me buy it today.
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Thanks again buddy for your help.
And I also bought a box of 3" and 3.5" magblends today form a local guy who had a pretty good price on them.
Cant wait to see how it patterns :popcorn:
I have one for both my 870 12 & 20ga, they shoot sweet with lead, gonna try them with heavyweights this weekend and i they perform im getting one for the 835.
Who makes it? I know it's a down n dirty but it looks like a ic. Shoot er, can't wait to see what u put up.
Brad...I think you will like it. Indian Creek doesn't make junk. I talked to IC at the convention about it and they said it was the real deal. Its made to shoot those federal FCW but looks like I likes magblends too. Can't wait to see some straight heck #7s out of it.
sent from Tim's Tweaked Out Evo LTE
Quote from: Philippe on March 28, 2013, 07:40:15 PM
I have one for both my 870 12 & 20ga, they shoot sweet with lead, gonna try them with heavyweights this weekend and i they perform im getting one for the 835.
The one for the 835 is .690. So I can't see that open of a choke giving you better patterns than your Star Dot. You might want to save your money. But that's up to you. Just passing that on. Like I told the boys at Indian Creek from my findings in the BDS chokes I shot out of 4 chokes from .665, .655, .669, and .675, the .669 might as well say .670 was the ticket in my 28" barrel 870. I even told the boys at Indian Creek that .670 may in fact be the ticket in a lot of barrels. But I may be wrong. I know a lot of guys that like the .665. But there are a lot of guns that haven't tried the .670 BDS choke either. Ricky has shot some tremendous patterns with his .670 Haymaker choke in his Benelli. I know Ricky and I trust him and Gold Hunter. They both witnessed one that is truly phenominal with his Haymaker .670 choke in his Benelli shooting Hevi-13 3.5" #7's. But I will leave that up to Ricky if he wants to tell it. I just know the Haymaker choke Ricky has for his Benelli, and saying it's a barn burner of a choke would be an understatement.
Glad I could help you Brad ! Turkey hunters helping turkey hunters ! You're gonna like that Haymaker ! It IS the real deal ! Good luck with it.
Ricky :newmascot:
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 28, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: Philippe on March 28, 2013, 07:40:15 PM
I have one for both my 870 12 & 20ga, they shoot sweet with lead, gonna try them with heavyweights this weekend and i they perform im getting one for the 835.
The one for the 835 is .690. So I can't see that open of a choke giving you better patterns than your Star Dot. You might want to save your money. But that's up to you. Just passing that on. Like I told the boys at Indian Creek from my findings in the BDS chokes I shot out of 4 chokes from .665, .655, .669, and .675, the .669 might as well say .670 was the ticket in my 28" barrel 870. I even told the boys at Indian Creek that .670 may in fact be the ticket in a lot of barrels. But I may be wrong. I know a lot of guys that like the .665. But there are a lot of guns that haven't tried the .670 BDS choke either. Ricky has shot some tremendous patterns with his .670 Haymaker choke in his Benelli. I know Ricky and I trust him and Gold Hunter. They both witnessed one that is truly phenominal with his Haymaker .670 choke in his Benelli shooting Hevi-13 3.5" #7's. But I will leave that up to Ricky if he wants to tell it. I just know the Haymaker choke Ricky has for his Benelli, and saying it's a barn burner of a choke would be an understatement.
Brad, I'm assuming this choke doesn't have the steps (wad catchers) in it. I tried an IC .675 without the steps a couple years ago in .675 while experimenting with my Xtrema. I swapped out a .665 with the wad catchers that wouldn't pattern how I liked with 7s. The results are in the pics. I wanted to swap out again for a .670 without the steps but they didn't have one. I then ran across the Hevishot choke that the Xtrema really liked and never went back to IC. I believe they missed the boat not making chokes in .670. I'm like you, I believe a .670 is the ticket in a lot of guns.
Myles,
Those patterns you posted are a supreme example of what I am trying to tell folks who swear a .665 is the ticket in their gun when in fact a .670 or .675 would even shoot more denser 10" and 20" numbers. And I don't know for sure, but I would believe in a lot of guns .670 or .675 would in fact out shoot chokes like .655 to .665. Ricky's Benelli proved this in the .670 Haymaker choke, and that's from a .723 Benelli barrel even, who a lot of folks including choke manufacturers think they shoot better with .655 chokes. Blows that theory to hell now don't it.
Indian Creek can make you a .670 choke if you call them I would guess. I found that .669 as maybe a fluke when I went there and they had it in the shelf up front. Maybe it was a choke that someone cutout too much by mistake making the .665 chokes that they typically produce. But that choke shot very well. I shouldn't have sold it. But I can tell you when the weather warms to 60 to 70 degrees that the MAD Super Max .675 without the wad stipper( just like the Haymaker) will just shoot phenominal patterns. We shall see how this Haymaker will shoot when I get time. But I wouldn't have bought this choke had I not believed it was gonna shoot with the best of the chokes currently on the market. I already have a .670 Pure Gold, and it shoot very well. I already know that this Haymaker choke shoots Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7's phenominally. The question is how well it will shoot in my 870 barrel.
I took a shot yesterday with the rem sm 12ga and the haymaker using the federal 3-2-6 lead with flight control wads. Lets just say i was pressed with the results from a lead shell i thought was junk.
I have an .675 Indian Creek Non-Ported choke with No Wad Catchers in it, and it has never beaten my .665 Indian Creek Ported Choke With Wad Catchers, using any shell I've tried.
But every Barrel is different. I think .670 would be a good one to try with HTL.
I myself don't think the wad stripper feature is much of any advantage whatsoever. The Haymaker and the Mad Super Max choke to me proves this.
Quote from: captin_hook on March 28, 2013, 07:50:44 PM
Who makes it? I know it's a down n dirty but it looks like a ic. Shoot er, can't wait to see what u put up.
Indian Creek makes it.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Indian Creek can make you a .670 choke if you call them I would guess.
They probably would but when I talked to them about returning the .665 the only choke they had in stock was the .675 without steps so I took it. I figured it had to be an improvement over the other one and it was. I really don't need a .670 now after stumbling upon the Hevishot brand choke.
I know I haven't shot this choke yet, but I wanted to mention that from the results that Ricky has got from his in the Benelli that I guess my thoughts on a ported choke typically out shooting a nonported choke is blown out of the water.
Quote from: goblr77 on March 29, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Indian Creek can make you a .670 choke if you call them I would guess.
They probably would but when I talked to them about returning the .665 the only choke they had in stock was the .675 without steps so I took it. I figured it had to be an improvement over the other one and it was. I really don't need a .670 now after stumbling upon the Hevishot brand choke.
What's the constriction of the Hevi-Shot choke? Is it .670 I am guessing?
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: goblr77 on March 29, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Indian Creek can make you a .670 choke if you call them I would guess.
They probably would but when I talked to them about returning the .665 the only choke they had in stock was the .675 without steps so I took it. I figured it had to be an improvement over the other one and it was. I really don't need a .670 now after stumbling upon the Hevishot brand choke.
What's the constriction of the Hevi-Shot choke? Is it .670 I am guessing?
Might as well be...it's .671. It's ported and has wad catchers but I think it's more about the constriction. A plain Trulock .668 shoots pretty good as well.
Well I'm starting to believe my original thoughts that the ole saying that every barrel is different is in fact a myth.
And I won 't go into the specifics here, but more and more I think what I am saying is very much true for a % basis.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: goblr77 on March 29, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Indian Creek can make you a .670 choke if you call them I would guess.
They probably would but when I talked to them about returning the .665 the only choke they had in stock was the .675 without steps so I took it. I figured it had to be an improvement over the other one and it was. I really don't need a .670 now after stumbling upon the Hevishot brand choke.
What's the constriction of the Hevi-Shot choke? Is it .670 I am guessing?
I think the Hevishot choke is .662 !
Quote from: vaturkey on March 29, 2013, 12:47:16 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: goblr77 on March 29, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Indian Creek can make you a .670 choke if you call them I would guess.
They probably would but when I talked to them about returning the .665 the only choke they had in stock was the .675 without steps so I took it. I figured it had to be an improvement over the other one and it was. I really don't need a .670 now after stumbling upon the Hevishot brand choke.
What's the constriction of the Hevi-Shot choke? Is it .670 I am guessing?
I think the Hevishot choke is .662 !
For a Remchoke it is. Optima plus is .671.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/324224/hevi-shot-hevi-13-turkey-choke-tube-12-gauge-beretta-optima-plus-671-constriction
any 870 users try this with 6 or 7's? Curious to see results since our barrels TEND to need to be choked down for those loads.
Quote from: lock1nout on March 29, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
any 870 users try this with 6 or 7's? Curious to see results since out barrel TEND to need to be choked down for those loads.
Well all I know is Ricky shot a 2.25oz #7 load with this choke out of his Benelli that was so dang phenominal that he didn't post it here because he didn't think people would believe him. I know what the numbers were and the yardage, too. But that is up to Ricky to share. I have no problem whatsoever believing anything him or Gold Hunter says. And Brian was there to see it. Like I said some folks you have to consider the source of what you see on the net to actually believe it. But both these guys have my respect and trust. If it shoots good in a Benelli, I have no doubt whatosever it will shoot good in a 870 or other guns for that matter.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 29, 2013, 04:52:30 PM
Quote from: lock1nout on March 29, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
any 870 users try this with 6 or 7's? Curious to see results since out barrel TEND to need to be choked down for those loads.
Well all I know is Ricky shot a 2.25oz #7 load with this choke out of his Benelli that was so dang phenominal that he didn't post it here because he didn't think people would believe him. I know what the numbers were and the yardage, too. But that is up to Ricky to share. I have no problem whatsoever believing anything him or Gold Hunter says. And Brian was there to see it. Like I said some folks you have to consider the source of what you see on the net to actually believe it. But both these guys have my respect and trust. If it shoots good in a Benelli, I have no doubt whatosever it will shoot good in a 870 or other guns for that matter.
yes i was there @ the range that day Rick shot that combo and we both said people want belive this...... :drool:
we have some great turkey guns with combos out of this would and some of the stuff we shoot we dont even post it up and we spend alot of money and time at the range on them turkey guns, and the money we spend on chokes, shot, ammo, and the guns we got.......... we could buy a new truck !!!
where did you all get this choke? i have looked online and cant seem to find it...
:-X its a SECRET !!!
I still believe in Wad Catchers. Ask the boys in the card shooting game if they make a difference.
I also believe that you can't lump all .665 chokes together as being basically the same. There's a difference. I've shot H.S. Strut, TruGlo, Pure Gold, and Indian Creek chokes in .665, and there was a heck of a difference between them. I believe that in certain designs, there is an optimum exit diameter vs. the bore diameter. Perhaps with Indian Creek it's .665 in RemChoke, but with Pure Gold it's .670, and with Kick's GT it's .655, etc.?
Or maybe it's something entirely different in a Barrel that measures .731 instead of .729, etc.
There are probably some broad assumptions that can be made, but there are probably also some exceptions to those broad assumptions.
One man's junk is another man's treasure.
Quote from: 3" 870 Shell Shucker on March 29, 2013, 10:40:06 PM
I still believe in Wad Catchers. Ask the boys in the card shooting game if they make a difference.
I also believe that you can't lump all .665 chokes together as being basically the same. There's a difference. I've shot H.S. Strut, TruGlo, Pure Gold, and Indian Creek chokes in .665, and there was a heck of a difference between them. I believe that in certain designs, there is an optimum exit diameter vs. the bore diameter. Perhaps with Indian Creek it's .665 in RemChoke, but with Pure Gold it's .670, and with Kick's GT it's .655, etc.?
Or maybe it's something entirely different in a Barrel that measures .731 instead of .729, etc.
There are probably some broad assumptions that can be made, but there are probably also some exceptions to those broad assumptions.
One man's junk is another man's treasure.
I don't. None of the great shooting match guns that I have seen had wad catchers in the choke tube. Not a one. And trust me the guns that my buddy has and the guys I have shot with would smoke our turkey guns shooting 1 and 1/8oz #9's. I can't for the life of me see a wad stripper feature giving you any advantage vs a choke that doesn't have them. Like I said my Mad Super Max out shot every single Indian Creek wad stripper choke I tried it against.
The Madd Super Max without wad strippers in my Sx3 won't come close to my IC .665 in my gun and in my hunting buddy's BPS. I've shot both in my gun with sevral different loads in # 6 and 7 with the same results, Indian creek with wad strippers comes out on top. Proof is on the paper
Quote from: chipper on March 30, 2013, 06:23:50 AM
The Madd Super Max without wad strippers in my Sx3 won't come close to my IC .665 in my gun and in my hunting buddy's BPS. I've shot both in my gun with sevral different loads in # 6 and 7 with the same results, Indian creek with wad strippers comes out on top. Proof is on the paper
Mine is just the opposite.
The Star Dot in the 835 has no wad strippers. And I will put it up against any choke on the market shooting 7's in a 10" at a taped 40yds. And I'm talking for consistency. Not saying that to brag but to prove a point about wad strippers. I have'nt found a choke yet that would consistently produce shot after shot with the 7's better than that choke.
QuoteThe Star Dot in the 835
That's a well proven winner.
What would be interesting, is to have an Indian Creek .665 with Wad Catchers, and another Without Wad Catchers. Mic both out to exactly .665, just so it's apples to apples. Then have a shoot off in the same gun, with 3 shells each. My money (if I was a betting man, that is) would be on the choke with the Wad Catchers.
For the non-Indian Creek users, these are internal rings inside the choke that contact the outside of the wad a full 360 degrees, and there are several of these rings inside these chokes.
The 30 Straight Parallel Ports definitely stop the rotation of the wad prior to it exiting the barrel. All of the wads I've shot have 30 straight parallel grooves cut into them. I like that, even if it doesn't improve patterns by ??% on paper, etc. It should improve consistency.
Multiple Wad Catchers and the added drag of 30 straight parrallel grooves have to slow the wad down better than any other choke design I've seen.
If nothing else, I really enjoy discussing the subject. ILikeHevi13 has certainly posted some awesome Hevi13 #7 patterns.
Quote from: chbarnha on March 29, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
where did you all get this choke? i have looked online and cant seem to find it...
I bought mine at a local store where I live.
But you can buy them here. Cheapest place I know of.
http://www.wingsupply.com/shooting-accessories/turkey-chokes/down-n-dirty-outdoors-haymaker-choke-tubes/
ILIKEHEVI-13, please let me know if the 30 ports still cut 30 grooves in the base of the wad. I find it interesting that this is a ported choke that's OK to use with the FCW. Interesting exit diameter too.
The ports are what I like to use the phrase for decoration puposes only. They don't go all the way through to the inside of choke. So that's why this choke can shoot any load. I didn't undersatand that at first until I looked through it. So it really isn't a ported choke, but it looks like it is from a picture.
Seems as though everybody is out of Haymakers for Bennelli Crio bbls.
I just ordered one today, from eBay. He had 4 left at 11am this morning
Still has 3...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Down-N-Dirty-Outdoors-Haymaker-Choke-Tube-Crio-Plus-Optima-Plus-12Ga-670-HMT004-/140933205821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d0460f3d
Sounds like a winner, But has anyone shot the Federal Heviweights through this yet??
Thanks Borden...There's only one left now... ;D
Does this mean I'll never miss again???
When we gonna see a pattern brad? Lets see that 870 shoot them #300325 #7's! I got 5 boxes of that lot number myself.
My 870 is a 3" and not 3.5". That choke was a big disappointment in my 870. I shot straight 7's and magblends. The best it did was 180 with the 7's and 125 with the blends. I took the choke back and got my money back. It didn't work for me in my gun. I had high hopes, but it was simply put and under acheiver.
I believe he shot it, and based on a comment he made in another thread, I don't think the patterns were worth posting. I ran the Haymaker .670 in my benelli sbeII, and compared it to my i.C. .665 with the same shells, on the same day. It shot good, but with every shell I tried in it, the .665 put 15-25 more pellets in the 10. Both chokes did shoot nice even patterns however. I shot it with hevi 13 2.25oz 7's(293~275), 2oz winchester XR 6's(187~162), hevi shot 1 5/8oz 5's(122~105), and federal thugs 2oz 6's(119~99). The numbers in parenthesis after the shells are what the chokes shot, I.C. listed first, Haymaker second. All shots were at 40 yards, 65 degrees, with a slight breeze, barrel cleaned between every shot. I didn't take any pics.
Guess he types faster than I do :)
I stand by all guns and chokes are not created equally.
Quote from: chipper on April 16, 2013, 06:52:46 PM
I stand by all guns and chokes are not created equally.
And I also stand by not all Hevi-13 is created equally.
I also wanted to say the Haymaker choke shot a good turkey killing pattern, but I have come to know what great shooting chokes will do. But then again the hevi-13 loads I tried I know weren't the best either. I think I got a bad lot of 7's that I tried. And the magblend shells I had were terrible. I can't believe Eviron-Metal would want to put their name on the stuff I got. So I can't blame all of it on the choke. But I got better numbers before with the same lot of #7's in the Super Max choke last year in way cooler temp.
Has anybody tried the Federal HW through a Haymaker choke?
That ought to be it's strong suit, if it has one.
Ain't that the truth, big difference between lot # 300488 and 300325 in my guns! By about 80 pellets at 40.
Sorry Hevi the choke didn't perform well. As we all know all guns are different. To be honest the Haymaker does great in my SBE2. But all I've been turkey huntin with is my M2 20 & Im here to tell ya that it kills just as dead as the 12 ga does.
Good Luck Huntin
Ricky :newmascot:
Ricky, what kind of numbers were you getting with the haymaker and the hevi 13 7's?
Ricky,
Don't worry buddy for I'm not upset at you passing on what worked great in your gun. I know you are a honest man. That's why I bought this choke. I'm glad you like yours.
I did just get off the phone with Environ-Metal and complained to them about their current magblend shells and some of the #7 loads I have bought. Mike the guy I spoke with took my complaint and didn't let me get a chance to ask him before hanging up what they were going to do about these magblends I bought that shot so bad. I ended up calling back and told Lisa about this. She took my complaint and said that she was going to have Kelly, VP of Sales and Marketing for Eniron-Metal call me. Well within 5 minutes Kelly called. I told her who I was and little bit about me and that I have been patterning shotguns and turkey chokes for a long time now. But she said she is going to get to the bottom of all this. And I also told her I would hope that her company could go back to making loads like the older stuff that shot so well like the 3.5" lot # 300325 that shot so phenominal. I told her I had a lot # and I don't have it anymore of the 3" 2oz #7's that did almost 300 shot in the 10" out of the Super Max .675 choke. She's like wow. I told her that the 3.5" #7's lot # 300325 loads would do a lot better yet and told her what I have got with my 835 and Star Dot choke from those loads. She couldn't believe it. I told her that everybody that shot that lot # in their 3.5" guns that are pattern junkies like me have said it's some of the best shooting Hevi-13 loads they ever shot. Now that's what I want Environ-Metal to get back to making. And guys I will tell you this Kelly is a listener. And she is very smart on guns, too. Her dad raised a good one that's for sure. I must have talked to her for 25 minutes.
Anyway she is going to send me some more shells for my trouble and a few other items that she wanted me to have. And I hope that she can get to the bottom of all this on getting Hevi-13 loads back to where they should be for their customers who pay the price for these shells. She assured me that she was very glad that I called, and that she too, enjoyed the heck out of talking to me. I told her that more folks at Hevi-Shot should be like her. She really impressed me.