I'm pretty sure this has been gone over a thousand times here, but just wanted to get some feedback from guys that have put these 2 loads up against each other.
Basically I have boxes of both, want to sell one and keep one.
I'm shooting a Steadygrip Supernova with a Indian Creek .665 and a Tru glo red dot.
I know I should probably shoot them both and see for myself, but since full boxes sell for more than with shells missing, I'd like to hear what works for you guys so I can feel confident choosing one over the other.
Shoot them both, then you will feel confidant about your choice. Or, keep the 7 s and sell the Magblends.
Well I know which one I would pick and that is the one that will put the most holes in a 20" circle. And it's no doubt going to be the 7's. But both will do the job at 40yds and under.
7s... More shot downrange.
To get the best idea of how your gun is going to pattern you need to shoot them both. Lots of folks on here can tell you one or the other shoots best in their gun but until you've tried them in yours you're not going to know. All guns shoot different. I myself prefer the #7, just because my gun does.
Quote from: pdaugherty on March 05, 2013, 10:19:38 AM
To get the best idea of how your gun is going to pattern you need to shoot them both. Lots of folks on here can tell you one or the other shoots best in their gun but until you've tried them in yours you're not going to know. All guns shoot different. I myself prefer the #7, just because my gun does.
And your exactly right.
But if you find the right choke for his barrel there is no doubt the Hevi-13 7's will give denser and better 20" patterns due to the fact that there is more shot in the load. And they have plenty of penetration at 40yds to penetrate the head and the neck of a turkey. I'd also bet money that most shot will not only penetrate the head and the neck but will shoot completely through and out the other side. Another reason why I said to shoot the 7's. Nothing wrong with the Mag Blends. But they aren't going to give you near the pattern density regardless of how great a choke you shoot with them. Again that's providing you find the correct choke for the 7's which shouldn't take long. I also think the 7's tend to pattern better out of most chokes from my findings vs other Hevi-13 loads.
Thanks for the replies.
Sounds like these #7's are the real deal, I've been doing alot of reading on them. I'm gonna shoot em both though just to make sure.
I've also seen alot of people saying that the 2 oz loads are patterning better than 3 1/2 inch 2 1/4 loads???? Anybody ever see that?
I just bought the 3" 2oz 7s and mag blends. Waiting to get gun back. I will shoot both and post pics.
SgtUSMC,
I've seen a lot of the 3in #7s pattern better than the 3.5s. I know that my brother-in-laws gun patterns the 3in #5s way better than the 3.5s. Could be the guns or the shells but that does happen.
The Indian Creek Tube is made to shoot Hevi 13 #5 or #6. I'm a 30+ year seasoned turkey hunter and would never ever use #7 for Turkey. Can't speak for Hevi Mag Blend but it has 5 and 6's in it. Of the two mentioned definately go with the Mag Blend.
Quote from: dwhunter on March 06, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
The Indian Creek Tube is made to shoot Hevi 13 #5 or #6. I'm a 30+ year seasoned turkey hunter and would never ever use #7 for Turkey. Can't speak for Hevi Mag Blend but it has 5 and 6's in it. Of the two mentioned definately go with the Mag Blend.
I've seen plenty of turkeys fall stone dead at 40 yards with the 7's. Don't doubt their killing power.
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The bigger and harder question is does one have an increased lethal range over the other. They both may do the job at 40 but what about 50 or more?
Quote from: dwhunter on March 06, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
The Indian Creek Tube is made to shoot Hevi 13 #5 or #6. I'm a 30+ year seasoned turkey hunter and would never ever use #7 for Turkey. Can't speak for Hevi Mag Blend but it has 5 and 6's in it. Of the two mentioned definately go with the Mag Blend.
If you haven't tried Hevi-7's you could use some more seasoning!! ;D And welcome to the site. :wagon:
All I will say in the guns I have tested over the years including with lead as well I'll take the heavier 3.5" load every single time vs the 3" lighter load. I'll give an example in my Moss 835.
Star Dot .676 choke on each.
Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's do right at about 258 shot at 40yds 10".
Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7's can put upwards of 361 shot in the 10".
Now you tell me how the 3" pattern better?
Quote from: cajunhunter on March 06, 2013, 12:07:38 PM
The bigger and harder question is does one have an increased lethal range over the other. They both may do the job at 40 but what about 50 or more?
We don't talk about 50yd shots here at Old Gobbler. It's 40 or under with a smidge factor of +/- a few yds.
My preference would be the #7's.
I have to agree...with all the load testing I have done, with turkey and coyote loads, and with several different guns, the ONLY time I have seen a better pattern with a 3 versus 3.5 was with Hevishot Dead Coyote T shot out of my personal gun, a SBE2.
I now have a Maxus 26 inch and have recently started patterning that gun, and the 3.5's that I have shot ALL pattern better than the 3's. Even if I only averaged 20 extra holes over a 3 inch(I actually get a lot more, similar to ILIKEHEVI's results), I would still use a 3.5. Hopefully, I only use one shot per turkey and any advantage I get I will take. I've never felt a shot at a turkey or coyote or deer or bear, so the recoil difference means nothing to me.
As far as which round is better for SGT...you oughtta pattern both. I recently shot some MB's and some Hevi6's and 7's and the pattern out of my new maxus has me now using H13#6's because of the great pattern I am getting. My old SBE2 loved MB's and shot them better than H13#7's did. You just cant tell until you try them.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 06, 2013, 01:35:53 PM
All I will say in the guns I have tested over the years including with lead as well I'll take the heavier 3.5" load every single time vs the 3" lighter load. I'll give an example in my Moss 835.
Star Dot .676 choke on each.
Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's do right at about 258 shot at 40yds 10".
Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7's can put upwards of 361 shot in the 10".
Now you tell me how the 3" pattern better?
I shoot both in my Beretta and both kill turkeys with gusto at 40 yards. Keep them both!
I have shot both and killed turkeys with both at 40 yards. My preference is the #7s. 3 1/2". I have tried 3" loads, and they don't put up the numbers the 3 1/2" do.
My gun and choke (Rem 870 with SSX)
225 in 10" at 40 with #7s
175 in 10" at 40 with Mag Blend.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 06, 2013, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: cajunhunter on March 06, 2013, 12:07:38 PM
The bigger and harder question is does one have an increased lethal range over the other. They both may do the job at 40 but what about 50 or more?
We don't talk about 50yd shots here at Old Gobbler. It's 40 or under with a smidge factor of +/- a few yds.
Got it! Thanks.
Of course the #5 and #6 will hit harder than #7 it's simple physics there. Bigger pellet equals more mass equals more kinetic energy. Like ILIKEHEVI-13 said 40 or under is really the ethical range to take a shot at a bird. I know we've all misjudged birds in the heat of the moment or in hilly terrain, but if you do the #7s will still have the energy to kill one at 40-45. I know i've done it and seen it done. The #7s have enough kinetic energy to break a turkeys neck at 50yds. I'm not promoting to shoot at them at 50 just because they will kill them. That's just what the test results from HEVI have shown.
Magblends
I'm about to order some HV13-7's from Mack's and give them a shot. I've only used #6's out of my Nova with an INdian creek choke and it shot high by about a foot.
Any thoughts before I complete my order?
Quote from: Balla1982 on March 09, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
I'm about to order some HV13-7's from Mack's and give them a shot. I've only used #6's out of my Nova with an INdian creek choke and it shot high by about a foot.
Any thoughts before I complete my order?
Your halfway to the homestretch to making your 40yd patterns even more denser. You may want to look at some TruGlo adjustable sights.
Just thought I would share some interesting info hot off the press regarding Mag-Blends. My gun is at Rob Roberts and Jonathon just called me with my results. I have an original SBE with an Eotech XPS-2. He tried every load/choke combination and ended up going with the Mag-Blends. He got 200 in the 10" circle and 387 in the 20". This is about a 100% improvement over my old jellyhead. I asked why not go straight 7's in the Hevi's as I figured just like several folks here that more pellets = more holes in a turkey's head. He stated that the straight were not only less counts, but several holes in the pattern. He said it wasn't close. I totally believe people that claim that straight 7's work extremely well for them. I am just stating that you should try both to find out. You cannot assume that what works well for one person will translate to the same results for you, nor can you assume that more pellets always = better patterns. It just isn't the case.
Hope this helps!
I think it's all about comparing exact same set ups. I shoot a Remington with a 23in barrel... all I care about it what others are getting with this exact same set up. I don't even read or consider what others are doing with other gun types..
Quote from: busta biggun on March 11, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
I asked why not go straight 7's in the Hevi's as I figured just like several folks here that more pellets = more holes in a turkey's head. He stated that the straight were not only less counts, but several holes in the pattern. He said it wasn't close. I totally believe people that claim that straight 7's work extremely well for them. I am just stating that you should try both to find out. You cannot assume that what works well for one person will translate to the same results for you, nor can you assume that more pellets always = better patterns. It just isn't the case.
Well put !!!! :gobble:
Hope this helps!
Quote from: busta biggun on March 11, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
Just thought I would share some interesting info hot off the press regarding Mag-Blends. My gun is at Rob Roberts and Jonathon just called me with my results. I have an original SBE with an Eotech XPS-2. He tried every load/choke combination and ended up going with the Mag-Blends. He got 200 in the 10" circle and 387 in the 20". This is about a 100% improvement over my old jellyhead. I asked why not go straight 7's in the Hevi's as I figured just like several folks here that more pellets = more holes in a turkey's head. He stated that the straight were not only less counts, but several holes in the pattern. He said it wasn't close. I totally believe people that claim that straight 7's work extremely well for them. I am just stating that you should try both to find out. You cannot assume that what works well for one person will translate to the same results for you, nor can you assume that more pellets always = better patterns. It just isn't the case.
Hope this helps!
What all did he do to your gun?
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Well he lied to you is all I will say. That is bogus. And I will leave it at that. I got 2 turkey guns and I doubt very seriously if Rob could get them to shoot any better. And I'm not shooting Magblends either. You can pass this on to Rob if you wish. I would love for him to tell me this with my patterns of Hevi-13 #7's.
Oh and my 20" patterns from the 870 3" are right around 470 and the 835 with the 3.5" load are right around 540 in the 20". Now ask Rob why that is if there are too many holes with 7's. I still can't believe he told a customer that.
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Wow ILIKEHEVI-13,...you are one rude, insecure person! Now you're telling me what MY gun is doing and that his computer generated pattern machine is lying and he is just out to con the whole world in order to sell more mag blends rather than straight 7's? I never appreciate being called a liar and I am sure that he doesn't either. I would never doubt your word when you claim 470 pellets, even though that sounds outrageous. I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You have no right to tell me how my gun patterns when you have no idea. Why don't you grow up and learn to treat people with respect instead of trying to be an internet know-it-all. I am not telling him anything. He wouldn't begin to tell you how your gun shoots, so he would have no idea how your gun patterns until he shot it. He isn't like you. He uses science to test these shells and count the little holes instead of making assumptions like you are. In my gun, the mag blends work better than the straight 7's and I don't give a flip if you believe me or not. I look forward to your apology!
Quote from: busta biggun on March 11, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
Just thought I would share some interesting info hot off the press regarding Mag-Blends. My gun is at Rob Roberts and Jonathon just called me with my results. I have an original SBE with an Eotech XPS-2. He tried every load/choke combination and ended up going with the Mag-Blends. He got 200 in the 10" circle and 387 in the 20". This is about a 100% improvement over my old jellyhead. I asked why not go straight 7's in the Hevi's as I figured just like several folks here that more pellets = more holes in a turkey's head. He stated that the straight were not only less counts, but several holes in the pattern. He said it wasn't close. I totally believe people that claim that straight 7's work extremely well for them. I am just stating that you should try both to find out. You cannot assume that what works well for one person will translate to the same results for you, nor can you assume that more pellets always = better patterns. It just isn't the case.
Hope this helps!
Biggun - which tube did he end up maxing out with?
Thanks,
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 11, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Quote from: busta biggun on March 11, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
Just thought I would share some interesting info hot off the press regarding Mag-Blends. My gun is at Rob Roberts and Jonathon just called me with my results. I have an original SBE with an Eotech XPS-2. He tried every load/choke combination and ended up going with the Mag-Blends. He got 200 in the 10" circle and 387 in the 20". This is about a 100% improvement over my old jellyhead. I asked why not go straight 7's in the Hevi's as I figured just like several folks here that more pellets = more holes in a turkey's head. He stated that the straight were not only less counts, but several holes in the pattern. He said it wasn't close. I totally believe people that claim that straight 7's work extremely well for them. I am just stating that you should try both to find out. You cannot assume that what works well for one person will translate to the same results for you, nor can you assume that more pellets always = better patterns. It just isn't the case.
Hope this helps!
Well he lied to you is all I will say. That is bogus. And I will leave it at that. I got 2 turkey guns and I doubt very seriously if Rob could get them to shoot any better. And I'm not shooting Magblends either. You can pass this on to Rob if you wish. I would love for him to tell me this with my patterns of Hevi-13 #7's.
Oh and my 20" patterns from the 870 3" are right around 470 and the 835 with the 3.5" load are right around 540 in the 20". Now ask Rob why that is if there are too many holes with 7's. I still can't believe he told a customer that.
Reading comprehension is your friend!! He was talking about the performance of the 7s vs Magblends in his SBE. You sure you don't want to pull out the pattern pictures while you are dropping all the paper punching #s.
Hi spaightlabs, he didn't tell me which constriction he used. I haven't gotten the full report, I just talked to him on the phone. It was one of their non-ported final strut tubes. I will post the results when I get them back if it's ok with ilikehevi-13!
01Foreman400, I got the action polished, the pattern work, and a trigger job. I had the forcing cone lengthened and ported a long time ago, so he isn't doing that.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 11, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Quote from: busta biggun on March 11, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
Just thought I would share some interesting info hot off the press regarding Mag-Blends. My gun is at Rob Roberts and Jonathon just called me with my results. I have an original SBE with an Eotech XPS-2. He tried every load/choke combination and ended up going with the Mag-Blends. He got 200 in the 10" circle and 387 in the 20". This is about a 100% improvement over my old jellyhead. I asked why not go straight 7's in the Hevi's as I figured just like several folks here that more pellets = more holes in a turkey's head. He stated that the straight were not only less counts, but several holes in the pattern. He said it wasn't close. I totally believe people that claim that straight 7's work extremely well for them. I am just stating that you should try both to find out. You cannot assume that what works well for one person will translate to the same results for you, nor can you assume that more pellets always = better patterns. It just isn't the case.
Hope this helps!
Well he lied to you is all I will say. That is bogus. And I will leave it at that. I got 2 turkey guns and I doubt very seriously if Rob could get them to shoot any better. And I'm not shooting Magblends either. You can pass this on to Rob if you wish. I would love for him to tell me this with my patterns of Hevi-13 #7's.
Oh and my 20" patterns from the 870 3" are right around 470 and the 835 with the 3.5" load are right around 540 in the 20". Now ask Rob why that is if there are too many holes with 7's. I still can't believe he told a customer that.
I think he meant holes with his gun shooting the 7s not that the 7s have holes.
And even though this may sound outrageous to you, I actually told you on the lower end. This was my 870 3" 2oz load of Hevi-13 #7's at a tape measured 40yds. I figured I would at least show it to you. MAD Super Max .675 choke
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00185.jpg)
And here's the 835 and I told you on the low end as well. Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7's Star Dot .676
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00532.jpg)
Those patterns are repeatable at around 70 degrees.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 11, 2013, 08:57:19 PM
Why should I apologize if you are being misled? I stand by what I said. Any turkey barrel that is a good one will in fact shoot the 7's better vs the MagBlends and make a denser pattern in a 20" circle at 40yds regardless who told you different if you find a decent choke. And from what I have seen and people I know and trust has told me with their patterns and the ones I have seen shot from other guns it isn't hard to do with Hevi-13 #7's whether it be 2oz or 2.25oz loads. That is why in fact so many people are making the switch to get denser 10" and 20" patterns at whatever the distance your talking about with less holes in the pattern if truth be told.
I need to stop conversing with people who act like you before I lower myself to your level. You are a waste of my time and people like you are the reason I post here less and less each year.
It seems you missed your calling. Instead of investing in high-tech equipment and years and years of experience doing this every day of your life, these guys at Rob Roberts just need to call you and you can recommend hevi-13 #7's because that is the answer to every patterning question. Well done.
Is it turkey season yet?
lets try and be level headed about all of this and not get upset about small stuff like this - look at it from the big perspective
I remember years and years ago all the troublemakers would converge on any controversy and blow it out of proportion , making it a 13 page thread - lets try and be good people about this - also please do not publicly drag another persons company through the mud in a public manner , thats not cool --thank you --Shannon
Your right Shannon. I apologize to you and to those that I offended. I will fix my post.
Brad
Ok I deleted some of my offensive posts.
Busta biggun,
Sorry I ruffled your feathers.
Good luck with your season.
Shannon,
I'm sorry I let you down. I will do my best to do better.
Brad
Alright guys , looks like things are cool now
I think as a internet community we are all ...getting along ...moving along ...as a common goal , and that is when put the bead on a gobbler and pull the trigger he goes down for the count
I will go out on a limb and make a claim that Turkey Hunters are most likely the most serious and dedicated when it comes to shotgun pattern performance out of any hunting group , we recognize the importance of a shotgun that shoots true and hard
--Shannon
Quote from: Old Gobbler on March 12, 2013, 07:27:15 AM
I will go out on a limb and make a claim that Turkey Hunters are most likely the most serious and dedicated when it comes to shotgun pattern performance out of any hunting group , we recognize the importance of a shotgun that shoots true and hard
--Shannon
No doubt about that!