So today I went out and shot my new Turkey gun for the first time. It's a TC Encore with a TruGlo red dot scope I mounted on it. Boy that thing kicks like a mule! Anyway, the range I took it too only allowed shotguns to shoot at 25 yds for some reason (pretty irritating) so all I have is 4 pictures of patterns I shot today at 25 yds. I shot twice with the Hornady and twice with the Winchester shells. I won't have a chance to get out and shoot again before the season so I need some advice on which load you think my gun shot better and based on the 25 yd pattern, do you guys think I'll be good out to 40 yds or should I stick with 30 yds and in? Thanks for the advice in advance and I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
Those top pics were of the Winchester loads...here are the Hornady loads...
I would not shoot a turkey at 40yds untill you get a chance to pattern your gun at that range, That will really tell how your gun is doing. With those 2 loads Id be very confident shooting out to 30 yds.
Quote from: nyhunter on March 03, 2013, 08:39:41 AM
I would not shoot a turkey at 40yds untill you get a chance to pattern your gun at that range, That will really tell how your gun is doing. With those 2 loads Id be very confident shooting out to 30 yds.
Agreed. But from all the patterns I have seen on this forum and others, I would choose the Wins to hunt with. Lots of folks getting great results with those shells (depends on gun and choke of course). I have yet to see or hear of anyone (other than Hornady salesmen) that have gotten satisfactory results from the Hornadys. Hornady is a great company, that makes great rifle bullets, and loaded ammo (I use a lot of it), but they have missed the mark badly with their turkey loads IMO.
Thanks guys for the advice. My shoulder is disappointed that you're recommending the Winchester as it kicked considerably harder than the Hornady haha
A 2 oz payload will kick about 33% harder than a 1.5 oz payload for sure.
I have never once felt any recoil whatsoever when shooting at a tom.
True. I'm not worried about the recoil in the heat of he moment.
I used to do a lot of shooting at 25yds on 8.5" x 11" piece of paper and would put close to 280 shot or so inside the paper with 3" 2 oz #6 lead loads. I don't know what choke yourusing but I don't think it's tight enough. Doesn't look nowhere hear like the paper targets I used to shoot.
Good to know. I'll take a look at what the choke is later today and post that. Maybe I need to try a better choke. I was wondering if it was actually that tight a pattern or not considering how I hear that certain chokes can through soft ball sized patterns at 20 yds or so it seems.
You're good to go out to about 30 yrds. As said before , I wouldn't shoot at 40 without pattering it at that distance first. Also as said before, stick with the winchesters, I've heard nothing but bad things about those hornadys. Welcome to turkey hunting and let the addiction begin. :wagon:
Looks like it's just the stock TC Turkey choke. Any recommendations on a better choke to get that pattern smaller? Also, with a new choke, will I need to re sight in the red dot??
Quote from: nyhunter on March 03, 2013, 08:39:41 AM
I would not shoot a turkey at 40yds untill you get a chance to pattern your gun at that range, That will really tell how your gun is doing.
I agree.
I'd go find another range or even take it your hunting land and get it patterned for the distance you think you'll be shooting them.
If that was your absolutle last chance to shoot your gun before season, then stick with what you have and shoot the winchesters, and keep your shots at 30 yards and under. You'll kill turkeys at that distance. Then you can play around with your gun after season when you get the chance, and you will find that 40 yard killer for next season.
If you find a good turkey choke and some of the older Fed Premium 3" 2oz #6 loads you ought to be putting around 300 shot inside that paper at 25yds. That's bout what my gun would do. No less than 270. And that's if your gun shoots centered to bead. I think the Encore is Invector threads if I remember correctly. I'll check to be sure and see what I can help you find. I would say you need a choke around .655 or .660.
Thompson Center: Interchanges with Winchester style threads
So I was right. That's the same as Browning Invector/Moss 500.
Don't go anywhere and I'll see what I can find real quick from my sources.
Your just going to be shooting lead I assume.
Brad
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARLSON-12ga-TURKEY-CHOKE-TUBE-BROWNING-WINCHESTER-MORE-NEW-/170997823051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d043b64b
This one is .675 and a little more open than the .660 above. But it should still shoot very well. I hear Briley makes a great choke.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Briley-Turkey-Choke-Tube-12-Gauge-Ext-Camo-Black-Winchester-/121073478583?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c308aabb7
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRUGLO-12ga-Turkey-choke-Win-Browning-Mossberg-others-/251235580024?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7eceb878
Now this one more than likley will shoot better than those above. But more money, too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-Creek-Black-Diamond-Turkey-Choke-Tube-12-ga-Moss-Win-Browning-/121075220293?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c30a53f45
Don't know if this is the one you said you have now or not. But if it is I would pass.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thompson-Center-Encore-12ga-Extra-Full-Turkey-Choke-Tube-9008-/261168692991?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cceddfeff
This may be your best bet for the money.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Primos-Jelly-Head-Turkey-Choke-Tube-12-ga-Invector-660-constriction-664-/400426261729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3b43dce1
That ought to help.
If I find anymore, I'll let you know. A Kicks choke would be good, too if we can locate one for cheap for you for shooting lead loads.
Thanks Brad. I appreciate all the help. I'll take a look at those on ebay. What have you heard about Patternmaster?? A friend of mine says they are good chokes and he's a pretty avid turkey hunter.
Here's a pretty good one for the money.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Primos-Tight-Wad-Turkey-Choke-Tube-12-ga-Invector-660-constriction-6774-/261179314285?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccf80106d
wow that's not expensive at all...still 6 days to go though
would I need to re sight in my red dot with a new choke or would it be close enough to use out to 30 yds as is until I get the chance?
Quote from: Ltsheets on March 03, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
would I need to re sight in my red dot with a new choke or would it be close enough to use out to 30 yds as is until I get the chance?
You should be about the same. Some chokes will shoot to a different poi but if they should still be fairly close. You will know soon enough.
I think those Pattern Master chokes are overpriced. That' my 2 cents. And I'd also bet money I know several chokes that will in fact out shoot em.
Cool thanks
I have two buudy's that shot encore's. Thay both use Kicks tube and winchester 1300 fps 6 shot. Will jelly a turkey at 40 yards.
Quote from: chet on March 04, 2013, 12:25:33 PM
I have two buudy's that shot encore's. Thay both use Kicks tube and winchester 1300 fps 6 shot. Will jelly a turkey at 40 yards.
Thanks for the heads up!
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I shoot a TC Encore with a Sumtoy choke but have also shot an Indian Creek choke. Those two in my opinion shoot the best out of the Encore shooting Hevi-shot #7.
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Quote from: nyhunter on March 03, 2013, 08:39:41 AM
I would not shoot a turkey at 40yds untill you get a chance to pattern your gun at that range, That will really tell how your gun is doing. With those 2 loads Id be very confident shooting out to 30 yds.
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