Hey guys, I'm pulling the trigger (pun) on switching from 12 to 20 for turkeys. I love my sx3 12 however the 28 inch barrel and overall bulk of the gun is tough in the thick stuff. I hunt in woods and swamps more often than in feilds anyways. I've made my mind up on the 870 youth model 21". And would like to shoot the Fed HVY W #7s. Unless others are recommended. I'm hoping to get recommendations on chokes/shell combos, after market stocks, etc... I have always used tru glo open sights and have never made the switch to red dot/ scopes. What would your pros and cons be for scopes/ open sights for this project? Any help is truly appreciatedd.
I have a truglo ssx that I tried in my 11-87 20 Ga that does well with the federal 7s. It did not shoot good out of my gun but I truly believe it has to do with barrel length cause it is a highly recommended choke but most guys use it with the 21" barrel and my gun has a 26" barrel. I have it in the classifieds and if you are interested then just let me know. Thanks and good luck!
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The SSX and Sum toy shoot the Feds decent from my 870. Set up right an that will be a fine little rig.
Another one to look at is the weatherby SA 08 youth model. I've recommended these and several guys have picked them up and love them. All so far have been shooters with a sum toy and fed 7s.
Oh the possibilities are endless.....
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That's a fine rig gophers.
I have no experience with your 21" barrel in your 20 gauge, but I have a 21" barrel in a 11-87 12 ga. It was harder for me to get it dialed in with the shorter barrel and find what it liked. I bought a 11-87 20 gauge with a 26" barrel. It patterns like a charm with the ssx with hevi #7's and nitro ammo straight #7's. I also used the Indian creek with the nitro's. They pattern great in both my guns. I also bought some fed hvy #7 I want to try before the season. I am considering a sumtoy choke if the ssx doesn't like it. I believe that sumtoy will work with you a help you get dialed in. I've also read threads where different lot numbers produce different results. I wouldn't rule out hevi-13 #7's. Let us know what combo works out. Good luck.
I shoot Fed HWT in mine, but I shoot 6's. I am running a SumToy 562-5 choke and can say I am confident with any 40 yard shot I am offered. That combo puts 120 of the 6's in a 10" at 40 yards. I have a 12 gauge that won't do that with lead 6's and I have killed a whole pile of birds with it.
ok so as soon as i get my tax return i am going to start building my new gun. im going to go with the 870 youth and start out with an tru glo ssx and/or RSF choke if I can find them. I think I will hold off on the adjustable stock for the beginning and put that money towards a decent sight. I see that the Burris FFii and FFiii are the most popular. is the FFiii worth the extra money if i could find a deal on an FFii? also from what I understand I will need to buy a marlin 336 if (I want a snug, 2 hole drill and tap vs 4) mount and a protector? does this mean the sight does not have a protective housing straight from the factory? how much extra is a protector? sorry if my questions annoy, I just want to ensure that i'm building a quality reliable gun capable of ethical kills. I made a bad shot last year on a bird and had to track him like a deer I felt bad and decided I wanted to create a perfect turkey gun . no more pinching pennies on cheap shells,sights,and chokes to add and remove to my duck gun every year. thanks to all, and Im very happy to have joined this sight
-Trey
Quote from: jtoliver43 on February 07, 2013, 04:26:52 PM
ok so as soon as i get my tax return i am going to start building my new gun. im going to go with the 870 youth and start out with an tru glo ssx and/or RSF choke if I can find them. I think I will hold off on the adjustable stock for the beginning and put that money towards a decent sight. I see that the Burris FFii and FFiii are the most popular. is the FFiii worth the extra money if i could find a deal on an FFii? also from what I understand I will need to buy a marlin 336 if (I want a snug, 2 hole drill and tap vs 4) mount and a protector? does this mean the sight does not have a protective housing straight from the factory? how much extra is a protector? sorry if my questions annoy, I just want to ensure that i'm building a quality reliable gun capable of ethical kills. I made a bad shot last year on a bird and had to track him like a deer I felt bad and decided I wanted to create a perfect turkey gun . no more pinching pennies on cheap shells,sights,and chokes to add and remove to my duck gun every year. thanks to all, and Im very happy to have joined this sight
-Trey
Yes for the cleanest mount possible, the Marlin 336 mount with the Burris will mount flush and only require two holes to be drilled. I am going this route on my new gun. You can get the factory Burris guard separately or order a Warbird gaurd from gobbler74 on this forum. Both are good looking gaurds.
As far as FFII vs FF3 - I can only say I am buying the FF3 for the eas of battery swaps.
I think if you are doing the 870, Gophert's rig is a great set up.
I ordered this weaver rail http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weaver-Detachable-Top-Mount-Scope-Bases-arg-/181074180310?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a28dcb8d6 to fit a 336 Marlin. so this will fit the 20 gauge 870 as well?
That is just plain nasty gohert
Don't!
I'm a little.... well a lot confused. when it comes to patterning and sighting in your gun. why is the red bulls-eye sticker not in the center of your ten inch circle? Ive noticed a lot of pictures here where people are showing there patterns and have the sticker on various parts of the target. shouldn't the bulls-eye be dead center and the POI/POA be centered on the bulls-eye as well. what are the offset stickers indicating? is that where you were aiming Gophert, to the top right of the 10" circle? I'm sure this is a dumb question and I am just misunderstanding the process. so forgive me in advance.
If your sighting in you adjust your sight to have the dense part of your pattern hitting around the bulleye. once you have gotten this done, there is no need to adjust it, Pulled shots happen.This may have been taken during the sighting in process or simply a slightly pulled shot. The center core was not centered on this shot so he drew the ten inch circle where it was at so he could gauge what his pattern will do in the ten.
Your looking at two different things here. During the sighting in process you are checking your POA/POI and even if your off center you can still draw your ten ring to gauge what your gun is capable of.
so all I need to do is adjust my red dot to the center of the most dense part of my pattern and by doing so my POA and POI will match?
Quote from: jtoliver43 on February 12, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
so all I need to do is adjust my red dot to the center of the most dense part of my pattern and by doing so my POA and POI will match?
Yes.
I'm jealous.....well, I guess I have a new project now........I have the 20 gauge fever now.....
Getting the POI (Point of Impact or the center of the most dense part of your pattern) and your POA (point of aim which is usually the dot on the paper) to coincide is a rather easy 2 shot procedure with the help of 1 other person. Place or mark a clearly visible dot in the middle of a large sheet of paper, hang the paper up at your rifle range at a measured (not estimated) distance of 40 yards from the end of your gun barrel. Get your gun and selected choke tube set up on a shooting bench with sand bags, site steady on the mark on the paper and take a shot using the same shells that you intend to hunt with. Go to the paper and leaving it in place, estimate the location of the center of the densest part of the pattern. Put a clearly visible dot in that center of the pattern.
Go back to the gun on the bench and with the gun steady and well supported, aim back at the dot that you originally aimed at. Now holding the gun perfectly still on target on the sand bags, have the other person gently adjust the windage and elevation of the sight so that the point of aim of the sight moves over to the dot that represents the densest center of your pattern. Tighten the sight back down. Your gun should now shoot where you aim it. It's that simply.
Put a new piece of paper with a new mark in the middle of it up on your target supports, take careful aim and shoot. Go verify that the densest part of the pattern is now centered on the aiming mark. You can then check to see what your pattern is doing at various yardages (30, 20 & 10).
You can use this same procedure when sighting a rifle.
Good luck.
FullChoke
Quote from: jtoliver43 on February 12, 2013, 04:48:57 AM
I'm a little.... well a lot confused. when it comes to patterning and sighting in your gun. why is the red bulls-eye sticker not in the center of your ten inch circle? Ive noticed a lot of pictures here where people are showing there patterns and have the sticker on various parts of the target. shouldn't the bulls-eye be dead center and the POI/POA be centered on the bulls-eye as well. what are the offset stickers indicating? is that where you were aiming Gophert, to the top right of the 10" circle? I'm sure this is a dumb question and I am just misunderstanding the process. so forgive me in advance.
I can't speak for Gophert, but I don't post the zeroed photo. I usually post the earlier shot before fully zeroed in. As Fullchoke described, that's how I zero in after shooting for pattern. After shooting, I usually clamp my gun into a Workmate for adjusting windage and elevation.
i set up an 870 youth w the 21" barrell last spring for my niece. i was pleasantly surprised to say the least with a tightwad choke and hevishot 7s. point of aim and impact were perfect, i know one turkey target had over 100 pellets in the head/neck area at 35. She actually missed the first time she shot at a big gobbler last youth season he was about 15yards and i would quess the pattern was maybe softball sized, but got a bunch of red holes in his head at 35 on the second shot! That was a good patterning lil shotgun. i would hunt with that combo any day