http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gun-Control-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Magazines-Limit-Cuomo-NY-186794151.html
Looks to me like the 10/22 just became an "assault rifle" in NY because it can take more than 8 bullets.Idiots.
Quote from: jakesdad on January 15, 2013, 07:34:47 AM
Looks to me like the 10/22 just became an "assault rifle" in NY because it can take more than 8 bullets.Idiots.
Along with basically every semi-auto pistol that I own & I refuse to give any up (notice it did not say anything about grandfathering any). I am seriously thinking about moving out of this state, but I will wait to see what the Fed Gov. proposes first. Probably wont even matter. Our country is going to crap faster than ever. 7 rounds is just another number that the democrats have figured out so that they can get all our firearms. Just stupid.
I'll tell ya this. I had plans to come hunt in NY one day. Me and my money. Not now.
I have a buddy Whose uncle had a tree fall on him and lost the use of his arm and partial vision. He was a huge outdoorsman. The only way he can enjoy hunting with one arm is by use of a semi auto shotgun with sights and pistol grip. Now if he lived in NY he would be totally stripped of his right to own that firearm, his ability to hunt, and technically a criminal for owning it.
Right now in the state of GA he is still killing things.
Just think of how many wounded military veterans hunt that may have similar problems. Many find hunting as the only sport that allows them to cope with PTSD. This law is limiting their ability now. It's a Sad day to me. Chipping away piece by piece.
This is very unfortunate for the law abiding citizens of New York!
Very sad...This type of legislation will not stop the criminal..but will make many law abiding citizens law breakers...insane.
I don't know which state is worse these days, New York or Commiefornia.
Are they saying any weapon that holds more than 7 in the magazine is going to be considered an assault weapon?
Being a New Yorker and thinking I may not be able to go to the camp and plink targets with my current .22 and 10 round magazine is really annoying me right now.
Everyone in every state needs to contact his legislators, both state and federal and let them know how you feel and that you oppose any additional restrictive gun laws. The time to act is now. It's too important to sit on the sidelines.
Thanks,
Clark
P.S. If you haven't already, please take a look at the "Ruger" thread here, use it and pass it along to everyone you know.
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Bad law. Overly aggressive. Background check to buy ammo? C'mon MAN!
There should be a lawsuit about this soon...unless someone is asleep at the switch.
I'm so sorry for all you great patriots and hunters in the state of New York. A state where great turkey hunters as Kirby(God rest his soul) and Bustski came from and gave back so much to the sport and the NWTF. What a shame this is! I love to travel to NY, hunt and site see but guess what? No more for me, I'll keep my money and never step foot back in the state, sorry. As long as Cuomo and cronies are running the place, you boy boys are going to have it rough. What really scares me is, that nutball will probably run for pres in 2016!
If I were Remmington, I'd pack it up and leave. Sorry, I know that means job losses but maybe those are the things it takes to wise up those Libheads up there.
Good luck guys/girls, try to have a good spring.
Bunch of idiots. Sounds like the only one that had any sense was the republican that responded at the end
And no guns are grandfathered? That makes it even worse...as if it weren't bad enough to begin with. :TrainWreck1:
I may go buy me a 10-22 tomorrow in protest!
Quote from: CT Spur Collector on January 15, 2013, 04:49:27 PM
If I were Remmington, I'd pack it up and leave. Sorry, I know that means job losses but maybe those are the things it takes to wise up those Libheads up there.
Good luck guys/girls, try to have a good spring.
We prefer they stay right in the Mohawk Valley where they have been for almost 200 years and the courts see this for what it is; infringement on our constitutional rights and overturn this nonsense.
Good luck, yall have another dictator at the helm thats almost as bad as Obama. Im sure the ol mayor of NYC was very influential in your governors decision.
I had planned one day to come visit and hunt the upstate, I know its a whole different world from NYC. I have never wanted to go to the heart of the city, but probably would just to say Ive done it. NOW, Im in full boycott mode.They wont get a dime of my money until they turn this around, I will not support a dictatorship that spits in the face of its citizens.
I have no idea why all the gun companies are situated in liberal states. One would think these gun mfgrs would look south to setup shop.
Quote from: savduck on January 15, 2013, 07:58:48 PM
Good luck, yall have another dictator at the helm thats almost as bad as Obama. Im sure the ol mayor of NYC was very influential in your governors decision.
I had planned one day to come visit and hunt the upstate, I know its a whole different world from NYC. I have never wanted to go to the heart of the city, but probably would just to say Ive done it. NOW, Im in full boycott mode.They wont get a dime of my money until they turn this around, I will not support a dictatorship that spits in the face of its citizens.
Thanks, we need it. And NY is just the start, more states are bound to follow suit. We are hoping that he knew that most of this might get overturned in the courts and is just using this for his run for the White House in 2016 (a failed attempt hopefully) to say look at me, look at me, I at least was the first Gov to act on this. And yes, NYC is a WHOLE different world from this part of the state. I was talked into going to NYC once a couple years ago. Felt very out of place and never plan on going back.
I think the ban is targeted at guns with a clip not a tube loaded weapon. Shotguns were not the issue it was the assault weapons. Pistols on the other hand; got reduced from a 10 shot clip to the 7 shot clip. How many people have ever bought a 7 shot clip? Are they even available? I live in upstate NY; not proud of it at all. Beautiful geography crappy politics!!
You need to read those rules carefully....your pistol grip pump shotgun or your pump gun with red dot sight is now classified as an assualt weapon. Your 15 dollar 5 round box of turkey shells order over the internet just turned into 40 dollar box after shipping and the new rule to have it shipped to an FFL dealer (Cost of shells, shipping, and federal paperwork transfer fee...usually average 25 bucks).
Ask yourself this.....they put all these rules in place. How are they gonna enforce them....they are gonna use the registrations by law abiding citizens and then come search your house when they feel the time is right. All the wanted was to gain an inch.
Common sense stuff, like cracking down on drug dealers and violent criminals, teaching gun safety and responsible handling techniques is what we should be focused on, not stripping the rights of law abiding citizens.
I understand the whole inch theory; I had a union job for 18 years. I hope you`re wrong on the whole searching my house theory. If it comes to that I think our whole country will be in trouble not just NY. Don`t be fooled for one minute other states aren`t gonna follow suit. Maybe not your state but other states will. How are they gonna enforce background checks on private gun sales? I don`t agree with the bill. I am a gun owner, avid hunter, NWTF member, DU member, NRA member. NY always has done background checks when you purchase from an ffl dealer. They will never know how many guns people really have.
We do back ground checks here too.
My thought is this, they have yalls registration list and if they kept the records, they know what type of gun you have and the ammunition capacity becuase of the model. In the world of computers, they pull up the data base, send every citizen a letter stating they know what you have and you have to get rid of it by a said date. They will probably say you have to turn it in somewhere by a set time. If you dont, they label you a criminal and then they come get it.
Maybe Im being extreme, but they sure didnt hesitate to pass this legislation without giving the voters of NY a chance to vote on it yourselves.
The "Prez" makes his announcement tomorrow. Dont think for a moment that his ego will allow this politician from NY to one up him on gun laws. Its coming.
Does anybody know if thumbhole stocks are on the list of those assault weapon characteristics? I don't have a pistol grip gun, but I do have a thumbhole.
And it seems like this takes effect immediately, am I correct? I was hoping to place a big order for some Hevi 13 and get it here before this happened, but it might be too late.
PS....one of the many articles I read on this said that NJ was next....18 anti gun bills on their state dockett right now. Very similar looking to NY plan.
Not sure about the thumbhole stock. It just said pistol grip style stocks
There is a rally this Saturday in downtown Buffalo against this. I want to be there but I have been so sick with the flu.
It does not look this ban will include semi auto shotguns that hold 5 or less rounds. 10 round mags will be grandfathered but you can only load 7 rounds.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Cuomo pushed this through to be the first to act after Newtown so he can use it as a feather in his cap for his 2016 presidential campaign (unless Obama declares he can be King for longer). I am more disappointed in the state senators who had this on heir desks for 20 minutes and still voted in favor.
Below are links to a fact sheet and NYS Senator Marchione's petition to repeal and replace the newly passed law.
http://www.nysenate.gov/files/pdfs/Gun%20Law%20Fact%20Sheet%20UPDATE%20-%2009-17.pdf
http://www.nysenate.gov/webform/stand-second-amendment-standing-new-york-state-senator-kathleen-marchione
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The whole thing is a mess. They are trying to legislate criminal conduct which can't be done. I live and work in New York as a law enforcement officer. I haven't spoke to another cop who has anything good to say about the enacted legislation. There are no provisions to exempt law enforcement or retired LE from any of this. In fact, there is actually no provision to exempt 'on duty' law enforcement. Our PBA through their legal counsel has assured us that they are working on the issues. This is a ploy, by an egosentric politician, to put a 'feather in his cap' for a 2016 White House run. New York, along with many other jurisdictions, has lost most of the school resource officers due to budget constraints, however, in NY we continue to hand out entitlements like water over a dam because it generates votes on the east side of the state(NYC). Legislation doesn't save lifes, 1st responders do. One can only reflect on a different outcome for 20 innocent soles in Sandy Hook had there been a school resource officer on location.
If anyone has a hunt booked in New York and has questions or concerns on the type of firearm they plan on bringing, PM me and I will attempt to answer you question.
Weel said CB. Has anyone heard of any further gun legislation in CT?
Quote from: CB on the run on January 18, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
The whole thing is a mess. They are trying to legislate criminal conduct which can't be done. I live and work in New York as a law enforcement officer. I haven't spoke to another cop who has anything good to say about the enacted legislation. There are no provisions to exempt law enforcement or retired LE from any of this. In fact, there is actually no provision to exempt 'on duty' law enforcement. Our PBA through their legal counsel has assured us that they are working on the issues. This is a ploy, by an egosentric politician, to put a 'feather in his cap' for a 2016 White House run. New York, along with many other jurisdictions, has lost most of the school resource officers due to budget constraints, however, in NY we continue to hand out entitlements like water over a dam because it generates votes on the east side of the state(NYC). Legislation doesn't save lifes, 1st responders do. One can only reflect on a different outcome for 20 innocent soles in Sandy Hook had there been a school resource officer on location.
If anyone has a hunt booked in New York and has questions or concerns on the type of firearm they plan on bringing, PM me and I will attempt to answer you question.
We southerners didnt think there were guys like you left in the north. Glad your on our side. Hope you guys get it all worked out up there.
Gun control is usually political suicide.
All it needs now is a renewed push from lobbyist, Americans, and politicians in favor of the constitution to combat anti gun extremism.
I swear if republicans screw this up I'm looking very hard at the Libertarian party.
WE`re not all bad up here savduck! You southerners have more support from us yankees than you think :TooFunny: Unfortunately, the liberals in NY are 9 million strong!! If they would make NYC a separate state we`d be all set.
Quote from: lmbhngr on January 20, 2013, 04:31:44 PM
WE`re not all bad up here savduck! You southerners have more support from us yankees than you think :TooFunny: Unfortunately, the liberals in NY are 9 million strong!! If they would make NYC a separate state we`d be all set.
What most don't seem to realize, this isn't what NY wanted. It's what NYC and the likes of Cuomo wanted. Where Remington is located is vastly different from NYC. We get home from work, we jump on atvs, snowmobiles, go hunting out our back door, fish in the numerous creeks, lakes and ponds, go to high school football games, drive big trucks, camp, hike, and the list goes on. This is all right in our backyards. We did not vote this guy in office nor did we vote for this president. Unfortunately, we get out voted by those from down state. All our rep senators from this area voted against this unconstitutional bill that has now become law. So not all of NY is what many assume. Heck, we don't even have the same accents. We sound nothing like that loud mouth you hear on tv and radio. There are tons of fellow 2nd amendment supporters, hunters and gun enthusiasts like all of you. Just some perspective on the great difference between down state and this area. We need to get this overturned in the courts and it is already in the works. __________________ No freeman shall be debarred the use
I have many friends from the upstate. Everybody is pretty cool. NYC is a whole nother world. Ive got one buddy has lived his whole life in NY and only been to NYC once. Said that was enough.
Quote from: savduck on January 20, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
I have many friends from the upstate. Everybody is pretty cool. NYC is a whole nother world. Ive got one buddy has lived his whole life in NY and only been to NYC once. Said that was enough.
Same with me, lived upstate my whole life and went to NYC couple years ago for first time and more less did it as a favor. Felt very out of place and don't plan on going back. Just got through with a diver hunt down in the gulf with some Alabama boys. Much more in common with them.
I myself would much rather live in the south than up here. To much beauracratic BS! The people are much nicer.
Watch the short (:50ish) video in this link. New York seemed to be closer to outright confiscation than most thought. When it didn't go to vote the democrat (old dude) begged the republican to not release the "rejected proposals" the democrats were trying for.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2495/ny_democrat_pleads_with_republican_not_to_share_document_proposing_confiscation_of_guns
Hey kolks,this gun control crap is getting waaay outa control!! The anti American treasonist libtards are using every angle to disarm the American people.We MUST stand up and make our voices heard, no petitions,done with that.Call,Email,call,Email again and again your reps.We cant sit this one out anymore, were done.For those of you that think "they wont come for mine because all I have is hunting guns" WRONG! they will come, and that nice Winchester model 12 will be history,if we let them. Do NOT let them. Stand up for freedom, our founding fathers did.Get ready for a battle.
Quote from: skos29 on January 22, 2013, 12:02:36 AM
http://www.examiner.com/article/shock-claim-obama-only-wants-military-leaders-who-will-fire-on-u-s-citizens?cid=db_articles
Agian I dont put anything past this POS and his pals in DC. America needs to wake up and prepare itself. God Bless.....
Have any lawsuits been filed(that anybody knows of) in Albany against this bill yet? Just curious. I would think some attorney is all over this.
:welcomeOG:
Quote from: CT Spur Collector on January 22, 2013, 06:43:06 PM
Have any lawsuits been filed(that anybody knows of) in Albany against this bill yet? Just curious. I would think some attorney is all over this.
There is a lawyer out in Buffalo that is planning on taking this on pro bono. Also, the NYSPRA has issued a statement asking that people to be patient, as they along with the NRA have formed a legal team to go over everything with fine tooth comb and get a plan together so they can proceed.
Good,now they need someone to saddle the bronc and go impeach this SOB.
I think they should start with the fact that the senators only had 20 minutes to review the bill instead of 48 hrs! That would be a good start.
Quote from: fallsflight on January 22, 2013, 07:10:26 PM
:welcomeOG:Quote from: CT Spur Collector on January 22, 2013, 06:43:06 PM
Have any lawsuits been filed(that anybody knows of) in Albany against this bill yet? Just curious. I would think some attorney is all over this.
There is a lawyer out in Buffalo that is planning on taking this on pro bono. Also, the NYSPRA has issued a statement asking that people to be patient, as they along with the NRA have formed a legal team to go over everything with fine tooth comb and get a plan together so they can proceed.
Good, stay steady and keep up the support for the good guys in your General Assembly, they need it. Keep plugging away with letters and e-mails.
Quote from: CT Spur Collector on January 23, 2013, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: fallsflight on January 22, 2013, 07:10:26 PM
:welcomeOG:Quote from: CT Spur Collector on January 22, 2013, 06:43:06 PM
Have any lawsuits been filed(that anybody knows of) in Albany against this bill yet? Just curious. I would think some attorney is all over this.
There is a lawyer out in Buffalo that is planning on taking this on pro bono. Also, the NYSPRA has issued a statement asking that people to be patient, as they along with the NRA have formed a legal team to go over everything with fine tooth comb and get a plan together so they can proceed.
Good, stay steady and keep up the support for the good guys in your General Assembly, they need it. Keep plugging away with letters and e-mails.
I'm starting to think letters and emails are a waste of time. I believe force will be the only way to get thru and I honestly believe it will come to that its just a matter of when. With that said, i have emailed and signed petitions for the last 2 weeks till my fingers hurt
This is exactly my mind set. I refuse to participate in these BS laws. My family is my first priority and I will do what ever it takes to protect them (that means keeping ALL my guns). I hope it doesn't come to violence, but if it does I will be ready.........
The part I find funniest about this whole thing is everyone keeps saying 1000s of law abiding citizens will become instant criminals. Shouldnt it really be the politicians who wrote a law against the grain of the constitution who should be considered instant criminals. Their signature on that document have made them traitors, and they should be rounded up and treated as such.
I find them to be treasonous cowards.
Did they really think everyone was going to welcome this idea with open arms? That just proves how out of touch they are. Either that or cuomo is so egotistical he really does think he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants!