you hear a bird gobble in the dark, you ease in to what you think is a hundred yards. next time he gobbles he is right above you, legal shooting light begins. do you roll him out[where legal] or does he fly off?
now you sneak into your favorite deer spot get settled in. when legallight begins you see a 130 in buck bedded on the flat in front of you. do you shoot or let him walk away?
to me its the same thing im out there to bring something home and im gonna shoot. :z-guntootsmiley: :z-guntootsmiley:
The bird no, I won't shoot one off the roost.
The deer, I roll him when he stands up.
Just a personal thing on the bird
i know everyone will say its a personall thing im trying to figure out the mentality they are both in their bedroom, maybe my question should be why is one different than the other. and yes i respect everyones opionins and reasonings on this matter i would just like to here them. thanks
Illegal to roost shoot here (wouldn't do it if ya could) and it would be like shootin' a dove off a branch or a sittin' quail, just aint right.
Now that buck is gonna ride home on the hitch haul. :you_rock:
I'm pretty sure the roost shooting is illegal here.
For the deer, not big enough head gear yet for me. I'd have to pass.
The deer takes a dirt nap.
If the turkey flies down in range, he does too, otherwise, I hunt him later.
Gman
I would not shot one off the roost ,just not hunting for me .I don't deer hunt but i would wait for him to start moving .
Quote from: Gamblinman on March 02, 2011, 07:14:11 AM
The deer takes a dirt nap.
If the turkey flies down in range, he does too, otherwise, I hunt him later.
Gman
Same for me. :agreed:
Not shooting one off the roost. JMO
Roost Shootin' is Roost Shootin' - Legal or Not :popcorn:
Quote from: Basser69 on March 02, 2011, 12:24:46 AM
The bird no, I won't shoot one off the roost.
The deer, I roll him when he stands up.
Just a personal thing on the bird
:agreed:
I understand the question and it's a good one.
If you are willing to shoot a deer in its bed, why not a turkey too? Same principal.
Deer do not react to calling like turkeys, they are hunted 2 entirely different ways, and this is what colors most people's opinions, IMHO.
Don't just say roost shooting is roost shooting or that the deer isn't big enough, explain why you feel this way for turkeys and not deer. This is a great question and should be an eye opener for many of us. It is not about what is right or wrong, b/c the question is why one and not the other where legal, it is what are your opinions (that is all) about why you have decided to hunt the way you have.
For me I too would shoot the deer without reservation. If I am good enough to find a deer in its bed I have done my job. I have my scent under control, using the wind in my favor, am being quiet and moving slowly. I have beaten this deer at his game, on his terms. Now I get to take him and win.
The turkey, it is about calling them in, hearing them gobble, not about sneaking under their tree.
Quote from: sugarray on March 02, 2011, 08:19:40 AM
I understand the question and it's a good one.
If you are willing to shoot a deer in its bed, why not a turkey too? Same principal.
Deer do not react to calling like turkeys, they are hunted 2 entirely different ways, and this is what colors most people's opinions, IMHO.
Don't just say roost shooting is roost shooting, explain why you feel this way for turkeys and not deer. This is a great question and should be an eye opener for many of us. It is not about what is right or wrong, b/c the question is why one and not the other where legal, it is what are your opinions (that is all) about why you have decided to hunt the way you have.
I don't have to explain diddly as I think what I said is very simple to understand.......
Roost Shootin' is Roost Shootin' ~ Plain & Simple! :popcorn:
These roost shooting debate threads , although started innocently, are as predictable as the sun rising out of the east each morning - nothing but trouble
Quote from: bird on March 02, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
Quote from: sugarray on March 02, 2011, 08:19:40 AM
I understand the question and it's a good one.
If you are willing to shoot a deer in its bed, why not a turkey too? Same principal.
Deer do not react to calling like turkeys, they are hunted 2 entirely different ways, and this is what colors most people's opinions, IMHO.
Don't just say roost shooting is roost shooting, explain why you feel this way for turkeys and not deer. This is a great question and should be an eye opener for many of us. It is not about what is right or wrong, b/c the question is why one and not the other where legal, it is what are your opinions (that is all) about why you have decided to hunt the way you have.
I don't have to explain diddly as I think what I said is very simple to understand.......
Roost Shootin' is Roost Shootin' ~ Plain & Simple! :popcorn:
NICE there Mod
I wont shoot a roosted bird, just something I have no interest in doing.
If I had a clean shot at the buck while he was bedded I would take it, if not, I would just wait until he stood up.
I'll shoot the deer, not the turkey. The situations may look the same at face value but in my opinion they aren't even close.
If you sneak up that close on a buck you've earned the shot. With the deer it doesn't matter that it is dark out, their main defense is their sense of smell and their eyes function just fine at night also. The deer is in no way handicapped by the fact that you made your approach in the dark, in fact the odds are probably more in the deers favor in that scenario than if it were daylight.
A turkey is entirely different. By approaching in darkness you nullify its greatest defense, its eyesight. That's why the turkey is in the tree in the first place, because it would be pretty much defenseless on the ground at night. As long as you are reasonably quiet you can walk right up underneath them in the dark, they are used to hearing animals move around below them at night and they feel secure because they are up in a tree. On top of that, you may have a gobbler that starts sounding off well before first light making it even easier to pinpoint exactly where he is and walk right up under him.
Quote from: alloutdoors on March 02, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
I'll shoot the deer, not the turkey. The situations may look the same at face value but in my opinion they aren't even close.
If you sneak up that close on a buck you've earned the shot. With the deer it doesn't matter that it is dark out, their main defense is their sense of smell and their eyes function just fine at night also. The deer is in no way handicapped by the fact that you made your approach in the dark, in fact the odds are probably more in the deers favor in that scenario than if it were daylight.
A turkey is entirely different. By approaching in darkness you nullify its greatest defense, its eyesight. That's why the turkey is in the tree in the first place, because it would be pretty much defenseless on the ground at night. As long as you are reasonably quiet you can walk right up underneath them in the dark, they are used to hearing animals move around below them at night and they are feel secure because they are up in a tree. On top of that, you may have a gobbler that starts sounding off well before first light making it even easier to pinpoint exactly where he is and walk right up under him.
Thank you for your good explanation of turkey biology. It will really helps to show how they are entirely different. Like I said in my post I won't do it, but still nice to hear reasoning why or why not, not just a I don't do it. I didn't realize how much loss of vision a turkey had at night. I really thought they were much like a deer with their vision, even at night. So, thanks again.
Tree shooting in this state is legal after 7AM - that said I still wouldn't do it, but the deer would be venison.
I agree that roost shooting is roost shooting no matter what. Deer hunting and Turkey hunting are two different games. Deer hunting is sit and wait. While it involves some skill as long as you are near the food or the girls you stand a good chance he will walk past you. Turkey hunting you have to bring him to you and not everyone can do that. The deer dies, the turkey flies.
I don't hunt deer...never have...just haven't been bitten by that bug....so I can't speak to that
Turkeys....I have slipped in right under them....and I mean right under them....I have never considered a roost shot...just goes against everything I have been taught about hunting these birds....I like fair chase hunts where my woodsmanship and skills take that bird...not just powder puffin him while in the tree...I personally give that beautiful bird more respect than that...as mentioned ...they are in that tree for a reason...predators...plain and simple...just because I am able to slip in sounding like a deer walking in and happen to sit right under him...does not make it fair to take that bird without giving him a chance to play wits with me...as frustrating as it is...I like and LOVE the hunts where you are getting challenged by that bird...my skills VS his...well that is until I bust his head or put a stick through his chest...
carry on
Quote from: alloutdoors on March 02, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
I'll shoot the deer, not the turkey. The situations may look the same at face value but in my opinion they aren't even close.
If you sneak up that close on a buck you've earned the shot. With the deer it doesn't matter that it is dark out, their main defense is their sense of smell and their eyes function just fine at night also. The deer is in no way handicapped by the fact that you made your approach in the dark, in fact the odds are probably more in the deers favor in that scenario than if it were daylight.
A turkey is entirely different. By approaching in darkness you nullify its greatest defense, its eyesight. That's why the turkey is in the tree in the first place, because it would be pretty much defenseless on the ground at night. As long as you are reasonably quiet you can walk right up underneath them in the dark, they are used to hearing animals move around below them at night and they feel secure because they are up in a tree. On top of that, you may have a gobbler that starts sounding off well before first light making it even easier to pinpoint exactly where he is and walk right up under him.
I agree and would just add. I have never been able to sneak up on a deer to within bow range of where it is bedded even by dumb luck without bumping it. I have however gotten well within shotgun range of turkeys in their roost trees on many occasions.
If I were that desperate I still would not shoot the bird out of the tree we have great organizations such as the Salvation Army, Hunters feeding the Hungry and thousands of soup kitchens across the country willing to put a warm meal on your plate...
With that their are numerous other tactics I feel similar about legal or not
Quote from: alloutdoors on March 02, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
...With the deer it doesn't matter that it is dark out, their main defense is their sense of smell and their eyes function just fine at night also...
This.
i've never shot a turkey off the roost and i'm not going to start now. the deer on the other hand gets to ride home in the back of the truck
how about in a tree not roosting. you call one in close, shoot and miss, the bird not knowing what just happened flies up in a tree still well in range. This happened to me a few years ago when I was pretty new to the sport. I rolled him out but I wouldn't do it agan. didn't make me feel good. as said before its a personal thing. Theres just something about being in a tree. He's on base and you can't tag him out. got his foot outside the rope or something. IDK
Tommy fly's ,Bucky dies.
What if it's now 9am and the bird is still on the roost and gobbles every time you call?
I've had it happen a few times.
A few years back I heard a bird before light and headed to him. As I'm slipping through the woods in the dark thinking I'm still a good ways from him he gobbles right there at me. I slip to the closest tree and sit down. As light came he strutted back and forth on the limb, spitn, drumin, and gobbling like crazy. Some hens started cutting up on the other side of him and I just watched the show. When he pitched out he was way too far to shoot and the hens of course led him straight away. I pulled out and came back after lunch. 20mins later he was over my shoulder :D It doesn't always play out that way.
no,no
Nope and nope for me. I'd get the same rush shooting paper targets. Just not the right thing to do for me.
I would body shoot the turkey just enough to wound him. Then I would chase him down for a couple of miles for a follow up shot. That seems like a sporting way. Ever try to out run a turkey?? Ya, I'm just kidding
I wouldn't shoot him until his feet hits the ground in either case
Quote from: sugarray on March 02, 2011, 08:19:40 AM
I understand the question and it's a good one.
If you are willing to shoot a deer in its bed, why not a turkey too? Same principal.
For me I too would shoot the deer without reservation. If I am good enough to find a deer in its bed I have done my job. I have my scent under control, using the wind in my favor, am being quiet and moving slowly. I have beaten this deer at his game, on his terms. Now I get to take him and win.
The turkey, it is about calling them in, hearing them gobble, not about sneaking under their tree.
:agreed: 100%
I would shoot the deer where he lays before he jumps up and runs out into the highway and totals out a vehicle. As for the turkey, I would have rolled him off the limb ten years ago but now I would watch him until he saw me and flew off.
I don't hunt deer so I can't answer that one. The turkey no, thats back shooting in my opinion, you're not giving him a fair chance. Now like someone mentioned if it was daylight and I slipped up on him I probably still wouldn't shoot him out of the tree.
bang........ no more gobble ;D
last spring when day broke i found myself 20yds from a hog of a gobbler strutting on the limb. i let him fly down . he landed just over the edge of the ridge out of sight. never got a responce from him that day. do i regret letting him go??? not at all
I wouldn't shoot the turkey off the limb. Illegal in NH, and immoral in my mind. I just won't do it. If he flew off, and I called him back in, different story.
The deer? Honestly I believe I would pull the trigger. We don't get many shots on deer in NH. If I could get that close, it means I beat all his defenses, and would be very proud I accomplished that.
I wonder if the indians had this discussion....or just went back to the village with turkey ;D
Quote from: turkey slayer on March 02, 2011, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: sugarray on March 02, 2011, 08:19:40 AM
I understand the question and it's a good one.
If you are willing to shoot a deer in its bed, why not a turkey too? Same principal.
For me I too would shoot the deer without reservation. If I am good enough to find a deer in its bed I have done my job. I have my scent under control, using the wind in my favor, am being quiet and moving slowly. I have beaten this deer at his game, on his terms. Now I get to take him and win.
The turkey, it is about calling them in, hearing them gobble, not about sneaking under their tree.
:agreed: 100%
x2
I've been faced with the turkey scenario the bird was straight above my brother and I we didn't shoot it we let it fly down, it flew down straight away from us at 90 yds and when it hit the ground I yelp to him 2 or 3 times and he come right back to us dead at 20 yards. It is legal to shoot them out of the roost in WI but just didn't see it as much of a challenge, if someone did do it where legal I wouldn't have a problem with it. I feel if its legal you bought the tag put in the time your decision. Who am I to say what anyone should or shouldn't do as long as its legal.
Neal
Quote from: wareagle99 on March 03, 2011, 08:07:23 AM
I wonder if the indians had this discussion....or just went back to the village with turkey ;D
Exactly what I was thinking. Turkey nuggets taste good no matter how they make it to the oil.
The deer would be dead, the Turkey would fly off the roost and I would try to call him back.
The fun of Turkey Hunting is having him to respond to my calls and watching him come in and strutting.