Does anyone know what length a shotgun barrel starts losing performance as far as velocity and pattern when shooting turkey loads?
It will vary gun to gun. In my opinion if you are looking to chase numbers 22 is the absolute shortest I would go. I've got a 21" on a 20 gauge that shoots good, I got a deal on it used, had I been buying new it would have had a 26". I know it will not compete against the same gun with a longer tube, but she kills turkeys and is a joy to carry.
I currently carry a remington with a 21" barrel
I have it polished, sumtoy choke, and shoot Hevi shot so it definently can throw a mean pattern and kill turkeys but it won't keep up in numbers what the longer barrels can post.
21" is a dream to carry in the woods, and works great for when I take youths, my wife, or like this year a wounded warrior with limited arm mobility
You have to weight out the perforance on the range (long barrel) verse the ease of use in the field (short barrel)
I think a happy medium and what my next gun will be is the 23-24" range
Pattern density and velocity will diminish with every inch of barrel length lost. I have a Mossberg 535 with a 20" barrel and it's been a long, difficult road to find shells that pattern well out of such a short tube.
If I were going to do it all over again, I'd look for something with at least a 22" to 23'' barrel.
My M2 has an 18 1/2" BARREL. Does everything I need.
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,4261.0.html
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,177.0.html
God Bless,
David B.
I may just be lucky but my 835 with 20 inch barell will out shoot my buddies 935 with a 24 inch barell. I never thought this would be possible but it happened.
This is one of the reasons I just bought the two Benellis. I want to compare the 18.5" M2 and the 26" Vinci. I believe based on my past experience that a longer barrel is easier to find a load for, but there are great combos for every gun out there. It may take longer to nail down a carbine length barrel, but you can still turn awesome numbers.
Quote from: TauntoHawk on May 16, 2012, 05:31:38 PM
I currently carry a remington with a 21" barrel
I have it polished, sumtoy choke, and shoot Hevi shot so it definently can throw a mean pattern and kill turkeys but it won't keep up in numbers what the longer barrels can post.
21" is a dream to carry in the woods, and works great for when I take youths, my wife, or like this year a wounded warrior with limited arm mobility
You have to weight out the perforance on the range (long barrel) verse the ease of use in the field (short barrel)
I think a happy medium and what my next gun will be is the 23-24" range
What size Sumtoy choke and what Hevi load are you shooting and what's the 10 inch 40 yard pellet count??? :OGturkeyhead:
I had two SBE's...one had a 28" the other 24"..I saw no difference between these two with the same choke and load. It did not matter what size shot or brand ammo...they through almost identical numbers. The 24" was a lot nicer to carry in the woods and shoot out of a blind.
2 -20" bbl 835s here too ...will shoot with the longer bbl guns all day long. I also have a 19" bbl old browning a-5 and its a shooter. It shot 277 in a 10" circle at 40 with 3/2/7 and 30 yards was a ball of shot almost a hole
The real difference in short vs long barrels is in manuverability in tight woods and sighting plane. If your only going to use barrel bead sights then the longer barrel will be more forgiving. If you use optics it doesn't matter. Performance differences aren't enough to mean one will killl at 40 yards and the other won't so it is a moot point. There has been some discussion of short barrels being hard to get good patterns out of but there is enough people on here getting good patterns with short barrels to lend suggestions.
Take a look at the table on the bottom of this page comparing muzzle velocities of certain shells in barrel lengths from 22 inches out to 30 inches. The variance in velocity is generally 100 fps or less. For some loads it is a lot less.
http://www.guncustomizing.com/tech.htm#barrelvelocity
I shoot a 20" barrel on a MB 835. It has patterned well with everything I have shot. I shoot a 2 oz TSS load of #8. It patterns a great killing pattern at yds farther than I can say. I'd put up my penetration with any other TSS shooting gun 30" or any other length. If your not comfortable killing birds, then you'd be hard pressed proving that penetration with a shorter barrel was the issue.
i think we are thinking entirely too much into this. they are gonna lose performance with shorter bbls yea, but noticeably..naw. overthinking this too much....set it up and go. yea number 7s will put up numbers, so will the tss 9s. i look at it like this....im getting over 300 with every gun i shoot...be it 9s or 7s. a turkey aint gona walk away with that much head trauma...no matter what the slight velocity loss may be from shorter bbl lengths. i know all the pellets are not hitting him..but a dern bunch of em will and they just cant take it. we look and test and do penetration tests and look and shoot some more and make new loads and so on...and yea im as guilty as anybody, but its all overthinking......very well prepared, but overkill.
its bad to say, but i know birds are killed every year 30 and in with plain ol birdshot in plain ol bbls with plain ol chokes. a magnum load..be it 3 or 3.5" have more than enough umph to carry energy to kill at our reasonable distance no matter the bbl length. if a short bbl gun will put any respictive turkey load on target well...its gonna do the job no matter if it did lose 30 fps due to its length.
bbl length is a personal preferance to me...not a factor of killing. i can tell my guns have the umph when i pull the trigger and i know its has enough velocity to kill..not scientific there..no matter how it is set up.
I suppose barrel length is just a matter of personal preference. I started out Turkey hunting with a 30" barrel. I never felt handicapped in any way because of the length. Just prop it up on your knee, aim & shoot. It was the popular thought when the shorter barrels came out that you could get equal preformance from a shorter barrel with the modern powder & shells, but I think that it has been proven that there is a slight velocity drop with the shorter barrels. I read a test one time where they took a 36" Marlin goose gun & started cutting it down 1" at a time. The velocity dropped slightly with every inch they cut off. That being said I have seen a gobbler shot dead in his tracks with a .410, so I guess its a moot point.
Difference between long and short shotgun barrels:
Velocity: Slight difference, on the order of 50 fps between a 20 and a 28" barrel. Not per inch, total.
Patterning: Not enough to worry about. The main determining factor in patterns is the relationship between bore diameter and choke. If you disagree, please provide an explanation and hard data.
Sight radius: Yes, obviously a longer barrel gives you a long sight radius, but we're talking about shooting patterns with a shotgun, not targets with a 22. Not enough difference to seriously discuss.
I've hunted turkeys with the same gun with a 28" and a 20" barrel and found while that the turkeys were just as dead with either, the 20" was a LOT easier to haul around in the woods.
"The modern turkey hunter sacrifices pattern performance and velocity for maneuverability of a short 21" barrel. A gun with a 26" barrel will give you higher velocity and better patterns. For every inch up to 26", you gain 7 1/2 to 15 feet per second in velocity, depending upon the gun. A 26" barrel will give you 10 to 15 percent better patterns than a short barrel with the same choke constriction."...."nitro company ammunition website"...
....amazing i thought these guys would know more about this than us, being they do it every day....
My buddy had a rem 870 Turkey Supermag that was "built" by Nitro. They choked it and matched it with the load to make the gun perform to it's max potential, it had a 26" bbl, and a Rhino choke. My 20" tactical Mossy shooting a Stardot and #7 Hevi's outshot his. He was so aggrivated he sold it and bought a Benelli. Im not knocking either brand, but I think it's gun specific...one may shoot good, and one may not. This debate could go on forever, but until you get a short bbl gun and try it, you may never know. I do know that the less weight sure makes for easier toting on long haul run & guns. And is that should make alot of factor in which you buy as to how long it will be hung over your shoulder....At the rate this goes every year, i can see OG putting a "nothing under 22" ban on bbl lengths too" ;D
Quote from: chadabear on May 20, 2012, 08:54:23 AM
My buddy had a rem 870 Turkey Supermag that was "built" by Nitro. They choked it and matched it with the load to make the gun perform to it's max potential, it had a 26" bbl, and a Rhino choke. My 20" tactical Mossy shooting a Stardot and #7 Hevi's outshot his. He was so aggrivated he sold it and bought a Benelli. Im not knocking either brand, but I think it's gun specific...one may shoot good, and one may not. This debate could go on forever, but until you get a short bbl gun and try it, you may never know. I do know that the less weight sure makes for easier toting on long haul run & guns. And is that should make alot of factor in which you buy as to how long it will be hung over your shoulder....At the rate this goes every year, i can see OG putting a "nothing under 22" ban on bbl lengths too" ;D
i agree with ya but you guys werent shooting hevi 7's vs hevi 7's i find it hard to believe they told you to shoot hevi 13 7 's they made it match the max potential for there shells...im not knockin either company to me they are both great shells, i shoot hevi 13 7's myself no arguement there. alot of guys like star dots my gun particularly likes the pure gold .670 i have 2 star dots sitting in my choke case each gun is different. i cant argue about velocity and speeds with barrel length because i dont own a chrono nor do i even want one i was just pointing there opinion out but you would think since that this is there living they would know.... i can honestly say i never heard or seen on any thread anyone saying i killed that turkey thanks to my longer barrel. and i also believe it comes down to hunting not paper shooting if guys wanna paper shoot they make shotgun shoots for that ...to each his own i personally like a 26" on my 835 my buddies like the thug editions ya know we all kill turkeys just call them in closer and they all shoot good....now go huntin and kill turkeys
Quote from: MrB0000M on May 20, 2012, 07:44:32 AM
"The modern turkey hunter sacrifices pattern performance and velocity for maneuverability of a short 21" barrel. A gun with a 26" barrel will give you higher velocity and better patterns. For every inch up to 26", you gain 7 1/2 to 15 feet per second in velocity, depending upon the gun. A 26" barrel will give you 10 to 15 percent better patterns than a short barrel with the same choke constriction."...."nitro company ammunition website"...
....amazing i thought these guys would know more about this than us, being they do it every day....
Let's call it 10 fps per inch of barrel. That's 60 fps difference between a 20 and a 26, which is close enough for me to 50 fps.
Patterns? Again, I don't care who says it, until someone comes up with:
A) a rational explanation of why a longer barrel should shoot a tighter pattern and
B) some HARD DATA derived from a proper study to back it up, I'm not buying generalizations like 10-15%.
I'm willing to be convinced, I just need to hear a convincing argument.
And like most equipment issues, the real question isn't whether a given advantage is TRUE, it's whether or not it's RELEVANT enough to justify the disadvantages of a long barrel.
For example, that a longer barrel gives a longer sight radius is unquestionably true, it's just that it's completely irrelevant to shooting turkeys with a shotgun at 40 yards.
I have found that with the longer barrels POA and POI have been closer to the same than with the shorter barrels. Again, that is just with the experience I have had with the guns I have shot and patterned. Another point, which could or could not be a "performance" issue, is recoil from a longer barrel vs. a shorter barrel. I have found that the shorter barrels can have what seems like a considerable amount of more recoil (barrel "whip") than compared to longer barrels. Recoil leads to, in time, to flinching which leads to missing the target. It matters not how good a particular gun patterns if a person cannot hit the target. Just my opinion.
confusios says long barrels are great and short barrels are great to. Buy what you like and not what anyone else likes.
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 21, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
If you want the short route to a good shooting turkey gun then IN MY OPINION buy a 26" barrel gun.
+1
The phrase
"Its not the size but how you use it" comes to mind here.
Like any other sport we tend to over think and over compensate for our shortcomings. We tend to think we need to have the biggest and best but I wonder if we would all be better to spend the time thinking about our woodsmanship? Then this discussion would not be needed and we all could save $ using lead :TooFunny:
To the O.P. - answer would be every inch looses performance. But any barrel length will get the job done, use the the gun you feel comfortable with, shoot some shells, learn the limits, and go hunting :fud:
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 21, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
Seems opinions here are pretty divided. All I can say is I hunted with short barrel guns for about 25 years. I spent a pile of money on barrel work, different chokes and all sorts of shells with mediocre results in short barrels. Never achieved anywhere near the numbers in 10" and 20" at 40 yards as oft shown on this very site. Blame my results on operator error if you like but I find I'm now skeptical as hell on short barrels. Longer barrels just perform better in every way other than toting them through the woods. A 26" barrel is really a good medium even in that regard. If you want the short route to a good shooting turkey gun then IN MY OPINION buy a 26" barrel gun.
Your view may vary. Bash away. :)
Yep me too. I like a longer barrel. Have had mixed results with pattering short barrels, never had issues with longer barrels. Never missed a chance at a gobbler from not being able to maneuver with a long barrell either. Other than my 20 ga Remington, that someone else bought and gave to me, all my turkey guns are 26 or 28 inch barrels.
Just my opinion but I like the shortest barrel I can Find. Im working on getting another winchester 1300 only this time the short with the 18 1/2" barrel istead of my 22". I bet my indian creek is going to give me 200 in a 10. with #6 hevi. But if it doesnt Im fine with it. I have enough chokes to get something Im happy with.
Quote from: savduck on May 21, 2012, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 21, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
Seems opinions here are pretty divided. All I can say is I hunted with short barrel guns for about 25 years. I spent a pile of money on barrel work, different chokes and all sorts of shells with mediocre results in short barrels. Never achieved anywhere near the numbers in 10" and 20" at 40 yards as oft shown on this very site. Blame my results on operator error if you like but I find I'm now skeptical as hell on short barrels. Longer barrels just perform better in every way other than toting them through the woods. A 26" barrel is really a good medium even in that regard. If you want the short route to a good shooting turkey gun then IN MY OPINION buy a 26" barrel gun.
Your view may vary. Bash away. :)
Yep me too. I like a longer barrel. Have had mixed results with pattering short barrels, never had issues with longer barrels. Never missed a chance at a gobbler from not being able to maneuver with a long barrell either. Other than my 20 ga Remington, that someone else bought and gave to me, all my turkey guns are 26 or 28 inch barrels.
I agree.
26 inch barrel, all da way to da woods. Had a Rem SPS 22", and liked it, now Benelli 26'', Nitro ammo and Rhino choke. I wouldn't trade it fer anything!!!
I tend to look at this issue strictly from a practical point of view only. I have a 11-87 with a 21 inch barrel that with H13 7's will put 225 in the 10" and will cleanly kill a tom at 20 yards further than anyone should be shooting at one. So in my view, any advantage that a longer barrel my have on paper has no bearing on the effectiveness in the woods. When performance like that is available from a short, easy to maneuver gun, why bother with the longer version. It becomes a moot point.
2oz, I got that 1300 short on the way. Hope to have some pics of 200+ without 7's.
Also looked over some of those targets I shot up and my hevi choke also gave me 260 with a 22" barrel.
Once again the "maneuverability" of short barrels raises its ugly head. What a joke. A 25"-26" barrel has never been an impediment in the thickets, brambles, and cane brakes which I traverse yearly pursuing gobblers. The movement of a short barrel on a turkey gun, just like on a rifle, revolver, or pistol, magnifies the same movement on target contributing to less "barrel control". As someone who has shot firearms for over 50 years, one major detrimental aspect to short barrels is hearing loss from short vs long barrels. The differences in fps between a 20" and 26" barrel may be negligible, but the measured db's to the ear of the shooter is significant and extremely destructive. I've owned and hunted w/ turkey guns w/ barrels from 36" to 21" and have found a 25"-26" barrel on 3" guns and 24"-26" on 31/2" guns to be optimal for performance, handling and safety.
Quote from: decoykrvr on May 25, 2012, 10:57:31 AM
Once again the "maneuverability" of short barrels raises its ugly head. A 25"-26" barrel has never been an impediment in the thickets, brambles, and cane brakes which I traverse yearly pursuing gobblers.
I would have said this, but I am new here. Some day we will come full circle & everybody will have to have a 30" barrel. ;D
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 25, 2012, 08:53:20 AM
Glad it works for you. :icon_thumright: Interesting to see Hevi 7s mentioned yet once again. Must be a requirement for short barrels. ;D
Hevi 6's work for me also out of that poor little short barrel. They will kill cleanly that same 20 yards past where one should be shooting. It's still a moot point. :icon_thumright:
Quote from: ibtx on May 25, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: decoykrvr on May 25, 2012, 10:57:31 AM
Once again the "maneuverability" of short barrels raises its ugly head. A 25"-26" barrel has never been an impediment in the thickets, brambles, and cane brakes which I traverse yearly pursuing gobblers.
I would have said this, but I am new here. Some day we will come full circle & everybody will have to have a 30" barrel. ;D
No way will I ever have a barrel that long on a turkey gun. Back in the 70's there were alot of them around though. Those long barrels with fixed full chokes went out when choke tubes came on the scene. I like 24 to 26 inch barrels myself.
Quote from: WildTigerTrout on May 25, 2012, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: ibtx on May 25, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: decoykrvr on May 25, 2012, 10:57:31 AM
Once again the "maneuverability" of short barrels raises its ugly head. A 25"-26" barrel has never been an impediment in the thickets, brambles, and cane brakes which I traverse yearly pursuing gobblers.
I would have said this, but I am new here. Some day we will come full circle & everybody will have to have a 30" barrel. ;D
No way will I ever have a barrel that long on a turkey gun. Back in the 70's there were alot of them around though. Those long barrels with fixed full chokes went out when choke tubes came on the scene. I like 24 to 26 inch barrels myself.
The 30" barrel comment was meant as a joke (not that there is anything wrong with a 30" barrel) hence the ;D, a comment on how fads change over the years.
I like the 26" barrel also, although I have some that have 24" barrels.
Back in the 70's everything was 28"-30" or even longer.
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 27, 2012, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: Ozark Ridge Runner on May 25, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 25, 2012, 08:53:20 AM
Glad it works for you. :icon_thumright: Interesting to see Hevi 7s mentioned yet once again. Must be a requirement for short barrels. ;D
Hevi 6's work for me also out of that poor little short barrel. They will kill cleanly that same 20 yards past where one should be shooting. It's still a moot point. :icon_thumright:
Moot point for some, fact of life for others. I've hunted both short and long barrels, I'm guessing even longer than most of you have. I'm not interested in killing paper, I've already seen enough real world results to form an opinion. :icon_thumright:
One day you will have a 40 yard shot and that overchoked short tube will throw a pattern with a hole in it. Tom will just roll, jump up and leave you feeling like you are shooting rock salt. 200 in 10 won't mean a thing then.
I'm sure there isn't a soul on this board with as much "real world" experience as you have. I'm a noob myself with only 42 turkey seasons in the rear view mirror so what the heck do I know about anything. If you are trying to tell me that 5 additional inches of barrel length will make a shotgun incapable of shooting a pattern with a hole in it you better bring a lunch. I know for sure that is not the case. I certainly respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the bottom line is with the ammo and chokes available today, barrel length doesn't mean much in the "real world" with the exception of sight radius. Like you, I am not a pattern paper guy. I test enough to find out what I need to know and move forward. I've shot a lot more turkeys with 24/26 inch barrels than with my 21 inch gun, but I sacrifice nothing in the area of clean kills with it and it's easy to carry. Have a good Memorial Day and thanks for the conversation. :wave:
Quote from: Ozark Ridge Runner on May 25, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: 2ounce6s on May 25, 2012, 08:53:20 AM
Glad it works for you. :icon_thumright: Interesting to see Hevi 7s mentioned yet once again. Must be a requirement for short barrels. ;D
Hevi 6's work for me also out of that poor little short barrel. They will kill cleanly that same 20 yards past where one should be shooting. It's still a moot point. :icon_thumright:
[/quote I wasn't "led to dive in," I simply expressed an opinion that is at the root of this thread. Take a good look above and see who made the first unwarranted comment regarding short barrels. None of my comments were directed at you until you chose to address my post. You assumption was incorrect when you thought I was addressing you as a "rookie." Get over yourself.
Long Barrels > Short Barrels
Plain and simple, you guys don't get your feathers all ruffled just know you all fall short......lol
Start showing me more dead turkeys and less dead patterning sheets.
Quote from: ccleroy on May 29, 2012, 12:16:13 AM
Long Barrels > Short Barrels
Plain and simple, you guys don't get your feathers all ruffled just know you all fall short......lol
Start showing me more dead turkeys and less dead patterning sheets.
I like the pattern sheets, they never move or hide behind trees and are always in season. I've not killed the number of birds or shot more targets as many here have, but for what it's worth all the card shooters use long barrels and the longer tubes do seem to rock the board more. Hopefully I can post a few more dead ones in 10 months. Till then I'll post my cardboard turkeys.
Quote from: Ozark Ridge Runner on May 28, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
but the bottom line is with the ammo and chokes available today, barrel length doesn't mean much in the "real world" with the exception of sight radius.
I agree. That said, let's finally put sight radius to bed. Yes, it's true, a longer barrel will increase sight radius, which will decrease the change in point of impact caused by sighting error. No, it doesn't make a significant difference when shooting 40 yards with a shotgun.
Let's say you make a 1/16th of an inch sighting error. That's a HUGE error, equal to half the width of a 1/8 inch front sight. The difference in point of impact at 40 yards between a 20 and a 26 inch barrel will be 1 inch (4.5" vs 3.5").
A more realistic scenario would be a hundredth of an inch sighting error. The difference in POI caused by the shorter sight radius would be about 3/16". A big deal when target shooting with a 22, not significant when shooting a shotgun with a 10 inch diameter sweet spot.
So please, no more mentions of longer sighting radius as an advantage for longer barrels in turkey hunting. It's
true, but it's not
relevant.
I'd shoot a 40 inch barrel if i had one. :wave: :icon_thumright:
To the op shoot what ever you are comfortable with but 26 inch is a good medium.
Quote from: decoykrvr on May 25, 2012, 10:57:31 AM
Once again the "maneuverability" of short barrels raises its ugly head. What a joke. A 25"-26" barrel has never been an impediment in the thickets, brambles, and cane brakes which I traverse yearly pursuing gobblers.
Just because someone prefers something different than you do, doesn't make their choice a "joke". I've hunted with both and prefer a 20" barrel because I find the difference in maneuverability to be very real, but if anyone prefers a longer barrel that's fine with me. It will be certainly be news to millions of carbine owners that they are fools because they prefer a 20" carbine to a 28" rifle in the woods.
Quote from: decoykrvr on May 25, 2012, 10:57:31 AMThe movement of a short barrel on a turkey gun, just like on a rifle, revolver, or pistol, magnifies the same movement on target contributing to less "barrel control".
This is a variation of the sight radius argument and it's been thoroughly refuted. See post above.
Quote from: decoykrvr on May 25, 2012, 10:57:31 AMAs someone who has shot firearms for over 50 years, one major detrimental aspect to short barrels is hearing loss from short vs long barrels. The differences in fps between a 20" and 26" barrel may be negligible, but the measured db's to the ear of the shooter is significant and extremely destructive. I've owned and hunted w/ turkey guns w/ barrels from 36" to 21" and have found a 25"-26" barrel on 3" guns and 24"-26" on 31/2" guns to be optimal for performance, handling and safety.
It's indeed true that short barrels are louder than longer ones, but the way it's been presented as "26 inch barrels OK, shorter barrels dangerous" is inaccurate. A more realistic perspective is that shooting
any shotgun, even with a 28" barrel, is dangerous to your hearing and a short barrel is even worse. Which is why I wear hearing protection for all shooting, in which case the point is moot even with my 20" 12 ga with a ported choke. It's wonderful how my electronic muffs turn a shotgun's
BOOM into a faint, faraway
boom.
Every man is right in his own mind.
I wont argue that GENERALLY speaking a longer barrel will out perform a shorter barrel BUT not to the extent to make me go back to carrying a longer barrel into the turkey woods when I like the feel of a shorter barrel better.
The overwhelming majority of the turkey I shoot are 35 yards and under and I shoot TSS 9's to cover the rest. The first 20 years I hunted turkey I carried a 26" barrel. Two seasons ago, I discovered the glory of the 20" barrel and have had zero trouble killing both paper turkey and the real thing.
Like I said, I cheat and use TSS reloads so killing pattern hasnt been an issue so I chose to go with what feels best.
Anybody catching any fish ! :TrainWreck1:
Quote from: vaturkey on June 04, 2012, 10:30:54 AM
Anybody catching any fish ! :TrainWreck1:
Caught a Wahoo and a few dolphin over the weekend.
Quote from: dirt road ninja on June 04, 2012, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: vaturkey on June 04, 2012, 10:30:54 AM
Anybody catching any fish ! :TrainWreck1:
Caught a Wahoo and a few dolphin over the weekend.
How Long Were They ? :happy0064:
Quote from: vaturkey on June 04, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on June 04, 2012, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: vaturkey on June 04, 2012, 10:30:54 AM
Anybody catching any fish ! :TrainWreck1:
Caught a Wahoo and a few dolphin over the weekend.
How Long Were They ? :happy0064:
They were pretty short. The hoo was Maybe 4.5 foot and the dolphins were 2 to 3 footers.
Quote from: 2ounce6s on June 04, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
Longer fly rods give better performance. :icon_thumright:
Had not done a whole lot of fly fishin, but I can whip a fish quicker on a longer rod.
Quote from: 2ounce6s on June 04, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
Longer fly rods give better performance. :icon_thumright:
It's not the length, it's how you wiggle it...
Longer boats burn more fuel.
My dedicated turkey shooter has a 28" barrel and about 2 more inches of extended Super Max choke tube sticking out of it. In the woods the occasional times I wish I had a shorter barrel is when I have it slung over my shoulder and hit a branch or something while walking. I've taken to having the sling on my shoulder but the gun hanging horizontally under my arm, like a jousting lance. Makes it easy to point in the right direction as I'm walking. I also have a scope on my gun, so the sight radius argument is moot. All that being said, I still like the idea of the longer barrel.
I got a bucket full of minnows, anybody wanta go fishing ? :newmascot:
Quote from: mikejd on June 05, 2012, 11:59:28 AM
Longer boats burn more fuel.
Ahhhhhhh...... However, chicks dig longer boats. 8)
I have a 20" on a Moss 835 with a Indian Creek choke that is very lethal out to 50 yards with #4 Xtended Range