My fellow turkeyaholics,
I know there's a big debate between DSD and Zink decoys. My question has nothing to do with that. It is more about usage of the Zink decoys. I bought 2 Zink decoys (hen and jake) through the mail based on the expectation that they would fold up small enough to put in the vest while cutting and running (been using featherflex for that purpose for years).
After getting them in, I'm impressed by the looks, however I don't see how I'm going to be able to use them for a quick setup as needed while cutting and running. If I leave them inflated, they are bulky and cumbersome, but if I deflate them to fit in my vest, it seems like it's going to take WAAAY too long to inflate in a situation where you hit a hot gobbler and need to set up immediately. Wondering what those of you with Zink decoys do???
Great thread....maybe somebody can tell us since I have the same problem.....I got a Primos PHD for cutting and running and use my Zinks when I know I am going to be on field setups. Tried cutting and running with just one of my Zinks first of the season and it wore me out trying to keep it on my shoulder while moving on a turkey...
When I first got mine, I blew them up to about 90% and put them in a hot shower for ten minutes, as the directions suggested. I then left them blown up for about three weeks in the house - just so they'd get used to not being smashed. Now, I deflate them to about 30-40% and they both (hen and jake) fit snugly in one carry bag. I have found that if they're at 30-40% when I enter the spot, it only takes a single long deep breath to fill each one. When I want to cut and run, I only deflate them enough to get them both in the same bag again. Haven't had any problems and it only takes two long breaths to get them both setup again. I do think that the key is getting the rubber to the point that they aren't real rigid and difficult to fill. They need broken in. Mine fill easily now and work great for me on the run. They both won't fit in the vest, but a single bag (+gun) to carry isn't that bad. Just my $.02.
I do pretty much the same thing, with a decoy bag from USA huntingear. partially deflate and tuck them tight in the bag, toss the should straps on and youre off. One breath and they're back in action
I've also heard a bird fire off and need to move quick to get infront, I will just grab a decoy and tuck it under my arm like a football and take off after the bird.
If i know I have a walk for a set up, thats when I will fully deflate them cinch down the bag and set them up once i get out there. I can get 3 of the zinks in my decoy bag no problem deflated when Im making a set up in a feilds ill take feeder, looker, and Jake.
Quote from: 870FaceLift on April 12, 2012, 10:38:00 AM
When I first got mine, I blew them up to about 90% and put them in a hot shower for ten minutes, as the directions suggested. I then left them blown up for about three weeks in the house - just so they'd get used to not being smashed. Now, I deflate them to about 30-40% and they both (hen and jake) fit snugly in one carry bag. I have found that if they're at 30-40% when I enter the spot, it only takes a single long deep breath to fill each one. When I want to cut and run, I only deflate them enough to get them both in the same bag again. Haven't had any problems and it only takes two long breaths to get them both setup again. I do think that the key is getting the rubber to the point that they aren't real rigid and difficult to fill. They need broken in. Mine fill easily now and work great for me on the run. They both won't fit in the vest, but a single bag (+gun) to carry isn't that bad. Just my $.02.
Zink needs to come out with a bag that has two shoulder straps instead of that sling strap that is currently on there....
Bugman, how would you say the Primos PHD works for you vs. a featherflex foam decoy on the run?
yeah I had one made and its a heck of a lot nicer to carry around
Quote from: tha bugman on April 12, 2012, 11:09:08 AM
Zink needs to come out with a bag that has two shoulder straps instead of that sling strap that is currently on there....
I only use one hen, but if I'm running and gunning I either leave it inflated and carry it in my hand, or I deflate it just enough to stick in my vest and one good long breathe blows it up no problem. I think it takes me maybe 3-4 when it's fully deflated.
Good question. I just use Wal-Mart rubber decoys, and they don't always look the greatest, but I've killed birds in front of them. I'd like to try either Zink or DSD. Seems like it may be easier to run and gun with a DSD if it was easy to throw it in the bag. I don't like the idea of blowing up my decoys. I asked the guy in Cabela's how it worked, and it took him several minutes to blow it up. Only 3-4 breaths wouldn't be so bad.
Here's how I roll
And another
As seen in the pics I pack her in and go. The stake is back there too along with my playsport on tripod. Im loaded when I go! Taking the b-mobile is where it all gets a little hairy....
Thanks for the tips gents! I'll try the partial deflated strategy this week and see if I can make it work...
I agree with the others that it only takes one breath when partially deflated. I usually only carry one hen for running and gunning and hardly ever deflate. I just put her in the bag and go. I like the bags and have not found it a hinderance on long walks. I put them in the bag tail first and when it's time for a quick setup, I grab it by the head and yank the bag off by grabbing it by the bottom. Works like a champ.
Sometimes when they strike up close, you don't have time to fool with any decoy, so I just sit down with the decoy by my side. The Zink is nice and cushy if you need to relax after a while :D
I only take two if I'm going in early and know where I'm going to set up, going to a spot to call blind, or if I'm field hunting.
Also, the Zink bags work great for toting out a tom a long way. I've slipped a couple toms in the bag and put over my shoulder, then toted the decoy by the head. Much easier than toting one by the feet over the shoulder. The bloody spots on the bags make for good victory marks as well :D
I like the PHD because unlike the other inflatables...it has a huge valve so three to four good breaths and it is ready to go....probably not that big of a difference in packability but it does fold somewhat flatter and the screen printed cover is awesome. I don't like the metal stake...seems like they went out of their way to make it portable and then included this big honking stake you have to lug around. Seems to me they could have done a much lighter more packable one piece packable plastic stake
Quote from: Clay on April 12, 2012, 02:19:45 PM
Bugman, how would you say the Primos PHD works for you vs. a featherflex foam decoy on the run?
I do really like the stakes that come with the zink..
Ive been giving some thought knowing the 28th I'll be hunting the mountains and be looking at a few good miles that day. I think rather than go with a vest and decoy bag i will deflate my zinks flat and strap them to the back of my badlands pack. set ups might take more time but I have a feeling I'll need to cover a lot more ground between sets and birds so the pack might be the ticket to still carry 2 decoys.
+1 on the stakes they are the best I have used!!!!!
I'll post these for those that have the zinks.
While I have a double decoy bag that comfortably fits both the hen and jake fully inflated with a nice carry strap. Some people have stated what is the purpose of buying them over any other decoy if you don't take advantage of deflating and making them more mobile.
Here is what I am going to do for when I want decoy to be mobile. While I generally wear my tac tater vest I also will run a backpack at times when I am coving a lot more ground. I have the ol' tom vestless shirt which has pockets for pot calls, strikers, and locators as well as call pouches that fit onto the waist belt of my pack for addition calls and rangefinder ect. I can carry more gear, heavier gear, a do it more comfortably using a backpack when I'm back in deep all day. This is my Badlands Ultraday pack and I simply deflate and strap both decoys flat onto the back.
Opening day of PA I know I have planned roughly a 1.3mile walk all up hill to get to my listening post on the highest ridge above a series of old pastures and ponds way up off any road. As far as getting set up quickly?! I timed myself yesterday
Starting with the pack on my back decoys strapped in fully deflated.
Take pack off, unstrap, blow the hen up, then inflate the jake. Stake out in the yard and quickly retreat back roughly 15yds away.. 1min 49seconds
If I have a bird that is coming in quick enough that I don't have 2min before he's there then Id venture to say I don't need a decoy at all for that bird. But again not trying to change anyone's mind that is set against them just provide information to those that are using them.