What sets them apart form the current loads..the 3/2/6 vs the 3/1 3/4/6?? I've heard good things about the old white loads...but what u think? I don't recall shooting them, but do recall shooting early 3.5" loads when they were available.
For kickers...what kind of patterns y'all get with em?
With a .665 IC and a SX3 I can shoot 175-200 all day long, they like a tight choke is what I've been told and I have a IC .655 for the X3 but haven't shot one thru it yet.
I may give one a try. I wanna see what they do in my 835 and old a-5. I know they are praised...and just curious as to why. If they that good, then they may need to bring em back! The older stuff seems to be working the best from hevi
I've gotten 200-220 as the norm from some guns. My all time best with them were a couple in the high 230s and one at 242. Shot a pile of 225ish patterns with them.
Some of the guns I've ran them through were only good for 180-190, but that's still great patterns for that weight.
Best I've gotten from a 3-2-6 is 210. Still a good replacement, but the OWs were better shells.
The only thing I don't like about them is the crimps were not very good. Many of my OWs are only good for robbing the shot as a good portion of the buffer leaked out. Those that don't leak seem to stay that way, but I've seen as many as half the box that were leakers. Nothing a little dab of elmers couldnt solve IF you can get to it before the leak gets bad.
Quote from: fountain2 on April 09, 2012, 12:09:41 PM
What sets them apart form the current loads..the 3/2/6 vs the 3/1 3/4/6?? I've heard good things about the old white loads...but what u think? I don't recall shooting them, but do recall shooting early 3.5" loads when they were available.
For kickers...what kind of patterns y'all get with em?
I started shooting those shells, in a couple of different versions, in 2004 before the final version was established and went on the market in 2005.
They patterned very well but the real advantage was that they had the recoil of a Winchester AA trap load. In a reasonably heavy 12 gauge gun, it was like shooting a 20 gauge.
We could shoot them all day at the World Championship Still Target Shoot and still know where we were at the end of the day.
It was necessary to take good care of those shells however. If you cracked the plastic wad in the crimp, they would leak buffer.
They only loaded them in late 2004 and in 2005 although we shot them in competition throughout 2006.
Thanks,
Clark
I still have a box and a half of the old whites in 6's. In my gun (Win 1300, Kick's .655) the new 3/2/6's shoot better than the old whites. And no, you can't have them!
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These shells pattern excellent from a Remington using the Ventilator .655 choke. Very consistent and light recoiling.
Ronnie, Im picking up what ya putting down! They leak. I have several that appear to be leaking bad. I have not looked at them close...just a peak to know buffer is running wild. I may try em, I may not. Been wanting some tho. Ain't this the real 13g shot?
Quote from: fountain2 on April 09, 2012, 07:05:16 PM
Ronnie, Im picking up what ya putting down! They leak. I have several that appear to be leaking bad. I have not looked at them close...just a peak to know buffer is running wild. I may try em, I may not. Been wanting some tho. Ain't this the real 13g shot?
It varies, I checked some that weren't 13. Hevi has always had a variance from lot to lot IME. My last lot of Hevi 6s went 12.5. I have seen it from a touch under 12 to a touch over 13. Sure is a pain for a handloader as it varies buffer between batches for the best crimps.
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I still have 4 boxes of the #6's
they are bad in my 835
That pics not working. Im hoping its a pattern pic. What choke does your gun like with them?
Without a doubt. the best factory, and it wasn't really a factory load IMO more like a great handload, that has ever hit the market. It's a real shame that the quality and consistency of the Polywad white shells can't be duplicated by Environmetal. All reloaders will tell you that the secret of really good reloads is to find a reproducible recipe which performs and then never vary on loading technique or components. Sadly, this is a concept which has eluded the folks at Hevi-Shot, and the patterning results year-to-year bear me out.
I have a ammo box so full of different brands/types of turkey rounds you have to push the lid down to latch it, after a old man at teh gun store turned me onto the "old whites" everything else was junk.
They turned out to be the best ammo that I every ran thru my NTWF Winchester, along with a Tru Glo Strut Stopper choke it was the magic combo , the "NEW & IMPROVED ammo the began to produce was worthless thru that gun.
Not to long ago a gent posted some for sale about 30 miles from my house, I called him to make sure thats what he a had then shoved my wife into teh car & said GO...HURRY !!, cost me $35 or $40 (cant remember) plus the drive but it was worth it to me just to get my fat stubby fingers on them.
Man I know what your taking about, I drove 50 miles to pick up 3 boxes I found e or 3 years ago and now that I got them I hate to shoot them at anything not deserving to be shot with them.
Im with chipper...now that I got em, I hate to shoot em. Im wanting to see how they shoot, but hate to waste one! I prolly wont hunt with em, but if I do get a wild hair I guess I could
Quote from: fountain2 on April 15, 2012, 06:00:14 AM
Im with chipper...now that I got em, I hate to shoot em. Im wanting to see how they shoot, but hate to waste one! I prolly wont hunt with em, but if I do get a wild hair I guess I could
Why would you not hunt with your best shell ?
I do in my 870, I just don't carry it a whole lot anymore, I'm shooting 7's out of my SX3.
I need to shoot em, but they wont be my best shell. Wont beat the little tss 9s coming out pf my little rinky dink 20ga.
# 9 thats cheating . :lol: :TooFunny:
haha....they pretty mean and addicting
These shells are my favs. Last year, noticed a local a farm supply store had 7 boxes of 12-3-6 and 8 boxes of 12-3-6. in their small hunting section. To begin, I bought one of each for $20/box of 10. My Benelli Vinci with a Rhino .660" adored the #6s. The five that I pattered on a near perfect day averaged 185 with a high of 207 in 10" at 40yd. The #5s through the Rhino were just okay. I went back and bought all the #6s.
This spring I was at the patterning board testing a Jeb's .665' choke. I pulled a couple of the #5s from my ammo box to see what they'd do. In short, I've never had #5s pattern as well as they did through that choke. Those two shells put 135 and 139 in the 10" at 40yd. The load with 139 had an additional 44 in the 15" and 14 in the 20" with 11 pellets out. The load with 135 had 20 pellets in the 3" aiming circle. While tight, it was a beautiful, even pattern. For 1.75oz of Hevi-13 #5s, I was stunned by these patterns.
I again visited the farm supply store and, as luck would have it, 7 boxes of the #5s remained a year later. I bought them all for $20/box. I've never been a huge fan of HTL #5s and still think #6s and #7s are better choices. Even so, these OWs were solid performers to 40yd plus a big fudge factor. Moreover, they are the most consistent POA to POI shell I've ever tested. That gun and choke combination just gels with that load.
I still have about 45 of the #6s and just over 60 of the #5s.
Nice story . Wish I could have that kind of luck .
I think I still have a case of the #5s somewhere.
Thanks,
Clark