And so on. I remember when lead was the real deal for turkeys, ethical "known" limits were at 30 yards, and everyone setup their shotguns for that range.
It just seems to me that eventually choke and load combos are going to push ethical limits beyond where we are now due to technologies in shotshell and choke development.
Do you think this will change the face of our great sport, and change the way we hunt these great birds?
Sure looks that way. My deal is to call one to me. Many can now sit beside a food plot and when the bird is close enough to tell it is a gobbler they can shoot it and hang it at camp. Not my bag but fine by me. I like to get real close and personal with my hunting and that is just something that keeps me going after them. When he is drumming and the ground shakes I am in my element.
Shells, chokes,and other gear have come on the scene. Seeing how far I can kill one has never been a goal of mine. I have missed under 10 yards way more than I have at 30 yards. My name is Robert and I am a turkeyholic.
Quote from: RAJ on February 25, 2011, 01:12:06 PM
My name is Robert and I am a turkeyholic.
:TooFunny: Awesome :TooFunny:
It is already to the point of being more about how far, than about how close, in most of the conversations on OG.
50 Yards will likely be used as a selling point for Loads and Chokes in the near future.
People brag much more often about how far their combo worked, than about how close they called one in.
I'm not complaining though. It is what it is.
already is in my eyes. I looking at 60 yards this spring.
Why can't we do both? Now that I've learned, I think Its great to go old school and new school,fixed chokes,screwed chokes as well as lead or htl,now I have a choice for either, any day I'm in the turkey woods either is good for me!!! :)
Quote from: S.C.C on February 25, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Why can't we do both? Now that I've learned, I think Its great to go old school and new school,fixed chokes,screwed chokes as well as lead or htl,now I have a choice for either, any day I'm in the turkey woods either is good for me!!! :)
:agreed:
I agree about having options. I like to see his eyelashes before I shoot him, but like the option of busting him at 40.
If I lived in a state with a short season or few turkeys, I would buy the Nitro's and a scope and 3.5" gun and be merciless --- but I don't so lead and fixed chokes in 12's and lead and polishing with a trukey choke in a 20 is good for me!
But hey I also don't get upset about somebody shooting one with a rifle if it is legal.
Daman
Quote from: S.C.C on February 25, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Why can't we do both? Now that I've learned, I think Its great to go old school and new school,fixed chokes,screwed chokes as well as lead or htl,now I have a choice for either, any day I'm in the turkey woods either is good for me!!! :)
i agree :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: i would love it if every shot was 20 or 25 yards. but a lot of times it dont work out that way.
so if Mr. Tom is going to stand out there at 45 or 50 yds with his neck stretched out slobber gobbling i'm going to bust his noggin
Quote from: VAHUNTER on February 25, 2011, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: S.C.C on February 25, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Why can't we do both? Now that I've learned, I think Its great to go old school and new school,fixed chokes,screwed chokes as well as lead or htl,now I have a choice for either, any day I'm in the turkey woods either is good for me!!! :)
i agree :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: i would love it if every shot was 20 or 25 yards. but a lot of times it dont work out that way.
so if Mr. Tom is going to stand out there at 45 or 50 yds with his neck stretched out slobber gobbling i'm going to bust his noggin
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BRIAN
never been one for turkey shooting instead of turkey hunting,but that's me
if I can't get him 40 yds or less,well we will meet another day.I don't have to kill a bird to have a great huntI know alot of people work on their setup's to get the most out of them they can,which is fine
Quote from: surehuntsalot on February 25, 2011, 08:16:37 PM
never been one for turkey shooting instead of turkey hunting,but that's me
if I can't get him 40 yds or less,well we will meet another day.I don't have to kill a bird to have a great huntI know alot of people work on their setup's to get the most out of them they can,which is fine
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In 2 years and 10 months when I turn 50 :wave:
I want that bird a close as I can get him but also want a load/choke combo that will smack him dead at 50 if he thumbs his beak at me on the 50 yard line. :goofball:
Quote from: SR1 on February 25, 2011, 11:51:35 PM
I want that bird a close as I can get him but also want a load/choke combo that will smack him dead at 50 if he thumbs his beak at me on the 50 yard line. :goofball:
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Quote from: surehuntsalot on February 25, 2011, 08:16:37 PM
never been one for turkey shooting instead of turkey hunting,but that's me
if I can't get him 40 yds or less,well we will meet another day.I don't have to kill a bird to have a great huntI know alot of people work on their setup's to get the most out of them they can,which is fine
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Quote from: VAHUNTER on February 25, 2011, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: S.C.C on February 25, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Why can't we do both? Now that I've learned, I think Its great to go old school and new school,fixed chokes,screwed chokes as well as lead or htl,now I have a choice for either, any day I'm in the turkey woods either is good for me!!! :)
i agree :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: i would love it if every shot was 20 or 25 yards. but a lot of times it dont work out that way.
so if Mr. Tom is going to stand out there at 45 or 50 yds with his neck stretched out slobber gobbling i'm going to bust his noggin
That's my feelings too......... :icon_thumright:
Quote from: VAHUNTER on February 25, 2011, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: S.C.C on February 25, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Why can't we do both? Now that I've learned, I think Its great to go old school and new school,fixed chokes,screwed chokes as well as lead or htl,now I have a choice for either, any day I'm in the turkey woods either is good for me!!! :)
i agree :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: i would love it if every shot was 20 or 25 yards. but a lot of times it dont work out that way.
so if Mr. Tom is going to stand out there at 45 or 50 yds with his neck stretched out slobber gobbling i'm going to bust his noggin
I agree with most of all that. But really 30-35yds is as close as I want them with these Hevi-13 loads. That just gives me a little wiggling room if I am off a bit.
I've killed birds between 15 and 65 yards. To me the end result is the same. You go home with a bird or you don't. I think if you know what your gun, ammo and choke combo is ethically capable of doing, do it. I don't see passing on a bird at 35 yards if I know I can make a sure shot at 45.
Quote from: chatterbox on February 25, 2011, 12:57:32 PM
And so on. I remember when lead was the real deal for turkeys, ethical "known" limits were at 30 yards, and everyone setup their shotguns for that range.
It just seems to me that eventually choke and load combos are going to push ethical limits beyond where we are now due to technologies in shotshell and choke development.
Do you think this will change the face of our great sport, and change the way we hunt these great birds?
I don't see why everyone worries about this stuff so much. To Each his own! Just because a gun will kill at 60yds doesn't mean you have to.
Quote from: woodchip on February 27, 2011, 03:23:26 AM
Quote from: chatterbox on February 25, 2011, 12:57:32 PM
And so on. I remember when lead was the real deal for turkeys, ethical "known" limits were at 30 yards, and everyone setup their shotguns for that range.
It just seems to me that eventually choke and load combos are going to push ethical limits beyond where we are now due to technologies in shotshell and choke development.
Do you think this will change the face of our great sport, and change the way we hunt these great birds?
I don't see why everyone worries about this stuff so much. To Each his own! Just because a gun will kill at 60yds doesn't mean you have to.
I'm not worried about it. I was just bringing up the question because not too long ago, 30 was the magical distance. It won't personally change a thing for me. I agree with VAHUNTERS post on this. My favorite range is from 20-30, but if he hangs up out at 45, I have no problem mashing his head.
My only point was when will the ability to kill at longer distances trump the ability to be able to work a bird on a consistant basis, and call them in close?
With the tight patterens they almost need to be a little further away in fact if they get to 25yds I spook them so they get out to 50 before I shoot :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Distance is fun on paper and counting shot in a 10" circle, but in hunting tirkey I really like the calling and being able to get them in an listen to the drumming and strutting. To me that makes turkey hunting. I will shoot one past 40 yds (an have) if the hunting has went on for several days and the birds are haed to call in. But it sure isn't as much fun. I like the show up close!!
I think we are already there. The only time I kill one over 40 yards is when I make an error in my range estimation. I never intend to shoot one past the 40 yard mark I want to see him up close doing his thing for a few minutes before I bust him. Having a gun that will kill one at 50 or 60 yards is just like having insurance.
I think all of us at OG will agree we want to see and hear that Ole Gobbler in our laps but I personally want to know what my 835 will do at longer distances, if needed. I am a Sportsman, over the age of 50, that doesn't get wrapped up in the Kill but Truly enjoys the Total Outdoor Experience that God so Graciously has Blessed each of us with! I think 40 yards is plenty but with today's guns, chokes and ammo it is nice to know I can kill, and not cripple, Mr. Tom Turkey well past that 40 yard mark should I choose too.
Is there really much difference in shooting one 10 or 15 yards further? When he crosses that magical 40 yard (or whatever #) does the disco ball drop and he starts strutting to music or something? I shoot him as soon as he gets into my effective range. A few yards doesnt take away the excitement. When they start getting 15 yards and closer it does start to make the heart beat a little faster but I still enjoy it all the same.
Quote from: turkey_slayer on February 27, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
Is there really much difference in shooting one 10 or 15 yards further? When he crosses that magical 40 yard (or whatever #) does the disco ball drop and he starts strutting to music or something? I shoot him as soon as he gets into my effective range. A few yards doesnt take away the excitement. When they start getting 15 yards and closer it does start to make the heart beat a little faster but I still enjoy it all the same.
well said
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40 was the traditional max range based on gun and ammo limitations. But it has staying power because of the essence of turkey hunting -- setting up on and calling him in to you.
My style is such that I've never attempted a shot past 40 yds or so. But because of what I'm shooting these days, I no longer worry about how close he is, which allows me to just go with the flow of the rush That's kind of a nice feeling.
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Because i use muzzleloader for turkeys i like them 25 to 35 yards , It throws nice patterns at that distance, and when the smoke clears they are flopping right there. could shoot further with this gun But never try ed to , I have 835 that will knock them flat at 45 or 50 yards but i never carry it, but like you said if i run into that bird that won't cross that 50 yard mark I have the gun to do that with. I have only killed two gobblers with the 835 But only because i don't carry it .
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Quote from: poorcountrypreacher on February 27, 2011, 08:49:43 AMNow what would REALLY be different would be if I decided to sit in a blind and watch a decoy 20 yards away, and then boast about how I wouldn't dream of shooting a turkey at 50 yards. :)
Decoys have done more to change the face of turkey hunting than any shotgun, choke or shell could ever hope to. They totally change the way the game is played, and the way our worthy opponent acts.
That is 100% spot on
Quote from: turkey_slayer on February 28, 2011, 10:49:06 AM
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Quote from: poorcountrypreacher on February 27, 2011, 08:49:43 AMNow what would REALLY be different would be if I decided to sit in a blind and watch a decoy 20 yards away, and then boast about how I wouldn't dream of shooting a turkey at 50 yards. :)
Decoys have done more to change the face of turkey hunting than any shotgun, choke or shell could ever hope to. They totally change the way the game is played, and the way our worthy opponent acts.
That is 100% spot on
Absolutely
With the loads, chokes and sight options that we have today 50 yards is reasonable but I'll take them at 30 yards if possible. :icon_thumright: :cowboy:
Quote from: RAJ on February 25, 2011, 01:12:06 PM
Sure looks that way. My deal is to call one to me. Many can now sit beside a food plot and when the bird is close enough to tell it is a gobbler they can shoot it and hang it at camp. Not my bag but fine by me. I like to get real close and personal with my hunting and that is just something that keeps me going after them. When he is drumming and the ground shakes I am in my element.
Shells, chokes,and other gear have come on the scene. Seeing how far I can kill one has never been a goal of mine. I have missed under 10 yards way more than I have at 30 yards. My name is Robert and I am a turkeyholic.
First of all I would like to say hello nice to meet ya to all the fellow hunters on here.
This is me I love getting close, where i hunt 30 yards is a long shot
Quote from: turkey_slayer on February 27, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
Is there really much difference in shooting one 10 or 15 yards further? When he crosses that magical 40 yard (or whatever #) does the disco ball drop and he starts strutting to music or something? I shoot him as soon as he gets into my effective range. A few yards doesnt take away the excitement. When they start getting 15 yards and closer it does start to make the heart beat a little faster but I still enjoy it all the same.
very well said :icon_thumright:
Quote from: SR1 on February 25, 2011, 11:51:35 PM
I want that bird a close as I can get him but also want a load/choke combo that will smack him dead at 50 if he thumbs his beak at me on the 50 yard line. :goofball:
same here. i
Heck, I look at the new stuff as making turkey hunting more challenging. When you go from a basket ball size pattern at 20 to a grapefruit size pattern, you dang sure have to be on your game to seal the deal :D
I try to let them break about 35 most times for the adrenaline rush. If they hang past that(but within my MER), I'll pop them then as well. The most succesful turkey hunter I know says " the best time to shoot one is as soon as the bead lines up on his head." He meant that in terms of when he gets in range, shoot the sucker because way too much crap can happen.
I try to make it alittle easier at times by carrying lead. If I set up in a spot where I'll only have clear shots to around 30yds, lead goes in the pipe.
Usually I like to get them within forty yards before pulling the trigger. The key word in that sentence is "like". That does not mean I won't shoot farther if needed. After blowing a pile of time, shells, and money at a pattern board I feel fully confident in the ability of my gun to knock em dead at sixty yards. I agree it's more of a thrill to call em in close, but let him hang up around 50 or 55 yards gobbling his head off at me. I have no moral objection to bustin one upside his head. Done it before, and imagine I'll do it again. To each his own, but I have no problem with someone who has truly put in the time and effort to bring the most out of their setup, and knows full well what it is ethically capable of and uses that knowledge to bring home a gobbler.
I like to think i have the option if he hangs up, but there is nothin like watchin him kick the crap out of the decoy that is right in front of ya.