I have read up on it some and took the plunge 2 weeks ago. I bought 2 boxes of Hevi Shot and ordered one of their choke tubes also. They came in last week and I went to the lake for field testing (there is an old gravel pit that folks shoot in there). I needed a baseline for comparison so I shot my old ulti-full choke (the gun is a Mossberg 835) with a load of #5's at 40 measured yards. It did fairly well; not nearly what I expected but good enough. Then, I put the new Hevi-shot tube in and shot the same load at it....lead shot #5's. Got about the same pattern density...not worried. I didn't spend $100 to shoot lead anyway. Then I put a 3" #6 Hevi shot and let 'er fly. I walked up to the target and was shocked to see exactly...2...holes in the turkey outline and only 4 more within an 8" circle. Hmmm...let's try the 3 1/2" 4's...also Hevi shot. It did a litle better. I had 4 in the turkey and another 4 in the same circle. Now I'm at a loss. I have tried e-mailing Hevi shot to ask them. They won't answer. I signed up for their forums...twice. Haven't been approved yet. I'm not looking to start trouble. I just want to know what might be the cause of my poor performance. I was told to ask you guys and see what might pop up.
Thanks!!
Clif
OK guys...I really don't want to bash the company or anything. I'm just frustrated and looking for possible causes for my problem. I just called them and am waiting for a return call from someone else there.
Still would like to know if you have any ideas though.
Here is a few things you can try.
First, are you shooting at a large 36"X36" piece of patterning paper? Your hevishot and lead can have a different POI's. If you were aiming at the same target, it is very likely you POI from your hevishot hit in a different area than your lead, even out of the same choke. If you don't have a large piece of paper to shoot at, you will never know where your core density (10" circle) is.
Secondly, it's possible your gun doesn't like the hevishot choke. There are numerous chokes for the 835 out there. There are .670 Pure Golds, .675 SumToy Customs, .690 Jellyheads, and the list goes on and on.
The hardest part of getting your shotgun to shoot well, is matching a choke to a load. It can be very frustrating, and time consuming.
Fortunately, there are alot of guys that shoot 835's, and have had decent luck patterning that gun. My 835 shoots well with both a SumToy .675, and a Pure Gold .670.
I would start with the large piece of paper first, then go from there.
BTW, there is no need to shoot Hevi-13's in #4 shot. Number 6 will hit just as hard, and give you much better density than the 4's.
Good luck!
No need for bigger than 7's. The whole advatage of HTL stuff is to be able to use smaller size shot with equal or greater lethality! To do otherwise is to minimize the advantage gained. Also the POA/POI point is valid just a little less. BTW, we (the people in my family that I load for) are regularly killing turkeys at 20+ yds with Hevi 9 shot!
I'd shoot at 25 yards to see where you're hitting on a large sheet of paper. Once you're POA/POI are determined adjust sights. Then get a box of Hevi-13 7's and shoot at 30 yards and 40 yards and check pattern density at each yardage. Also I'd give the barrel a good cleaning before shooting and then run a patch between each shot. Let us know how you do the next time you shoot. :icon_thumright:
Update: Just spoke to a lady with the company.. Her opinion is that it is the point of aim/impact too. They seem to be very helpful. I'm kind of old-school and good customer service goes a long way with me toward future business.
The reason I bought 4's in the first place was prejudice in that my gun with lead shot never performed well with them. I always needed and used 4's. I'm really new to the hevi shot concept. I guess I will try all this and see what that does for me.
Quote from: Clif Owen on April 03, 2012, 04:45:33 PM
Update: Just spoke to a lady with the company.. Her opinion is that it is the point of aim/impact too. They seem to be very helpful. I'm kind of old-school and good customer service goes a long way with me toward future business.
The reason I bought 4's in the first place was prejudice in that my gun with lead shot never performed well with them. I always needed and used 4's. I'm really new to the hevi shot concept. I guess I will try all this and see what that does for me.
Good luck, and keep us posted! :icon_thumright:
Here is a link to a post about patterning and some other nonsense (Lol)
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,21039.msg232320.html#msg232320
Go by a local furniture store and you can get some large pieces of cardbord if needed. Cheap targets "FREE"
The advice above is what your need to do. Find your point of impact versus your point of aim first. That shotgun will perform with HS from #4 to #7 shot as well as any other shotgun! Good luck and let us know!
I checked my gun with a factory full choke at 25 yds...mounted/aimed and fired until I saw the concentration of shot on the pattern board.
A lot cheaper than turkey loads, and more pleasant.
Then you at least have a good idea of your guns poi with how you aim, and it gives a little more confidence in your gun which doesn't hurt.
Then onto the turkey loads and the 35/40 yd tests.
That's how I do it and it works well for me...just my 2 cents.
good luck
Yep, it IS WORTH EVERY CENT!!!
Lowes & homedepot sell 3' wide roles of Brown paper used for painting $10. You can cut out a lot of nice big 3' x 3' pattering targets.
In my opinion, for shots 40 yards and under hevishot and other htl loads are not over-rated, but not needed. They pattern very well and hit very hard. I just believe that if you are shooting at 40 and under the expense of these shells makes them hard to justify. By the way I am not trying to start an argument nor am I endorsing shots over 40 yards.
it is a crutch that alot of hunters think they've got to have to kill a bird
see many post of turkeys killed with expensive shells that could of easily been done just as well with lead shot, even if it extends your range by a few yards over lead, chances are very good that during any hunt the turkey will likely be one of 2 places well within within gun range or way out of gun range and that small hazy area in between of whats an ethical shot or not that many doesnt like to talk about is a rare occurence.
A crutch? Do you have fiber optic sights or a scope on your gun? Do you use smokeless powder in your shells??? I know that lead will kill turkeys cause I have killed a bunch with "just plain old lead". But now I use what to me is the best available tools I can afford to kill the most important game in my book!!!
So let me know when you start killing turkeys with a recurve/longbow!!! Of course you should also use a hand knapped piece of flint for the tip of your handmade arrow!!!
Once I learned better, I done better!!!
That's not what he meant. I think he simply meant that inside of 40, a turkey will never know the difference between a good lead pattern and a good htl pattern. And I agree.
To each his own, you shoot what you want and so will I, as long as it is legal. But do not put down or judge someone simply by the shells they choose to shoot.
What do you shoot if you were to hunt a WMA where no-tox is required!!!
What if the government required that everyone shoot no-tox like they have done with waterfowl??? I killed way more ducks than you can imagine with lead "high power 6s".
And once again I agree that lead will kill turkeys out to 40. But I prefer Hevi. Actually I prefer Hevi----- but in the form of a Nitro-------in 10 GAUGE!!!
Interesting signature you have there.
YES!!!! there quality control is the worst i have seen.
Never had a quality control issue with H13 loads.
Yes it is thanks for noticing!!! How very observant of you!!!
The OP was asking do you think that Hevi is over rated???
Not if hunters used Hevi as a "crutch"!!!
There's no doubt that lead will easily kill them at 40yds. We all have used lead for years to kill turkeys. But there is no question that htl loads are a step up in technology. Whether you or anyone else chooses to shoot them is up to each individual to determine if they are worth buying. It's just like those that choose to buy these $1500 Benelli's to turkey hunt with. It's a personal preference or choice. And choice is a good thing. I myself choose to shoot Hevi-13 #7 loads. If I didn't think they were worth it, I would go back to shooting lead. Now that's not saying I won't ever shoot lead at turkeys again. But I have enough Hevi-13 loads to last me awhile.
i like hevi shot over lead
Quote from: MrB0000M on April 07, 2012, 07:03:23 AM
i like hevi shot over lead
Better safe than sorry!! Hevi or Heavier shot for me. Why have it good when you can have it better as long as you can afford to do so.
I have to agree with the others, get a large target and see what your point of impact is first. I shot this target yesterday with my Banser choked 870 Rem and a Hevi-13 #7 @ 43yds. thats 401 hits in a 20" circle.
(http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss115/earljeff/870RembanserH-1374612003.jpg)
Great post here from Boff on sighting in, good advice might solve your problem
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,14641.0.html
Go to the Dollar store and get a couple rolls of wrapping paper. It is plenty wide and you can roll a new piece for each shot. Easy to carry too.
Get some Hevi Shot #7's and test them in your new choke tube. I wouldn't hunt with lead #7's so for me I think it's worth the cost for Hevi Shot.