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Title: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jayhawkeye on February 23, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
I took my Mossy 930 w/ a PG choke out to sight-in the red dot and to shoot a couple rounds at 40 yards.  Keep in mind that this was only my second time to sight-in a red dot.  Well, it took 5 rounds (2 3/4'" federal high brass #6) to dial-in the red dot at 20 yards.  I think the red dot is more accurate than me.  I'll be the first to admit I need to improve my red dot shooting skills.  I shot a couple of 2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey loads #5's and #6's at 40 yards.  All the shots were a little high and to the left, which could easily been my human error.  At least, my POI seems to be consistent!  I haven't had time to count all the numbers yet, but one of the targets had approximately 135 hits in a 10" circle at 40 yards.  I'm not very impressed with the PG's overall patterns so far...  I'd like to see tighter groups!  What type of numbers (10" Circle) should I be hoping for at 40 yards shooting 2 ¾" shells?  Thanks.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jourdan_D on February 23, 2011, 06:33:30 PM
Dont think the choke is your issue.  PG is a great choke.  However you ammo i have never liked for anything past 25-30 yards.  Switch to Hevi-13 #6's or #7's, polish your barrel and i bet $20 your numbers come way up.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jayhawkeye on February 23, 2011, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: Jourdan_D on February 23, 2011, 06:33:30 PM
Dont think the choke is your issue.  PG is a great choke.  However you ammo i have never liked for anything past 25-30 yards.  Switch to Hevi-13 #6's or #7's, polish your barrel and i bet $20 your numbers come way up.

i do have some Hevi-13s, but i wanted to use up some of my old shells for practice.  i'll bust out the hevi-13 when i get a little better shooting the red dot. 
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: sugarray on February 23, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
I don't understand what you mean by get better shooting the red dot.   You put the dot on your target and pull the trigger.

I'd dial it right in with a rest, then shoot the Hevi Shot when you are ready.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Mailman on February 23, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
I use a led sled to sight in. Makes it much easier and more consistant.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: paladin on February 23, 2011, 10:54:13 PM
You want atleast 30% to 50% and over 100 pellets.
search "pellet quantities" Find how man are in your shell and do the math.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: BigPeck215 on February 23, 2011, 11:00:53 PM
i'm very curious what 2 3/4 shell it was that gave you your 140 in the 10" at 40yds

if your getting 140's with a 2 3/4 shell then you are good to go, no need for hevi shot, those are great numbers with that shell and combo

optimally in order to kill a turkey you should be able to put a minimum of between 90-100 pellets in a 10" circle at 40yds

lead 6's are 225 per oz
lead 5's are 170 per oz
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: BigPeck215 on February 23, 2011, 11:00:53 PM
i'm very curious what 2 3/4 shell it was that gave you your 140 in the 10" at 40yds

if your getting 140's with a 2 3/4 shell then you are good to go, no need for hevi shot, those are great numbers with that shell and combo

optimally in order to kill a turkey you should be able to put a minimum of between 90-100 pellets in a 10" circle at 40yds

lead 6's are 225 per oz
lead 5's are 170 per oz

2 ¾" Winchester Super-X #5's and #6's (PG choke)
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
Quote from: Mailman on February 23, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
I use a led sled to sight in. Makes it much easier and more consistant.

i wish i had a sled; i can't afford one right now.  so, i just shoot off a rest.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: jtg88 on February 24, 2011, 12:06:37 AM
I'd say you have a pretty dang good choke.  140 hits with a 2 3/4" #5 is outstanding.  Run some 3" or 3.5" Hevishot through it and those numbers will sky rocket.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: bird on February 24, 2011, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: BigPeck215 on February 23, 2011, 11:00:53 PM
i'm very curious what 2 3/4 shell it was that gave you your 140 in the 10" at 40yds

if your getting 140's with a 2 3/4 shell then you are good to go, no need for hevi shot, those are great numbers with that shell and combo

optimally in order to kill a turkey you should be able to put a minimum of between 90-100 pellets in a 10" circle at 40yds

lead 6's are 225 per oz
lead 5's are 170 per oz

2 ¾" Winchester Super-X #5's and #6's (PG choke)

140 with 2 3/4" shells @ 40 is very good numbers.  Once you switch over to the Hevi-13 your going to see your numbers go much higher.

Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:28:27 AM
Here's the #'s I counted tonight:

2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey loads #5's (PG choke) = 97 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey loads #6's (PG choke) = 156 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards

i'm not sure if they were the 1 5/8 oz. or 1 ½" oz. loads...
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: joshua on February 24, 2011, 03:41:02 AM
Quote from: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:28:27 AM
Here's the #'s I counted tonight:

2 ¾" Winchester Super-X #5's (PG choke) = 97 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Super-X #6's (PG choke) = 156 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
For a 2 3/4 inch shell those are some rocking patterns.  Those 6 numbers are the way to go.  156 in a 10" with lead 2 3/4 says puregold makes one heck of a choke.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: S.C.C on February 24, 2011, 04:59:08 AM
Quote from: joshua on February 24, 2011, 03:41:02 AM
Quote from: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:28:27 AM
Here's the #'s I counted tonight:

2 ¾" Winchester Super-X #5's (PG choke) = 97 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Super-X #6's (PG choke) = 156 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
For a 2 3/4 inch shell those are some rocking patterns.  Those 6 numbers are the way to go.  156 in a 10" with lead 2 3/4 says puregold makes one heck of a choke.
YEAH,I was sittin here laughing about this one,wait'in on someone to reply about his dissatisfaction of the PG with 2.75 lead.Friend, allot of folks don't get those #'s with 2 or 2.25oz's of lead!NICE!!
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: VAHUNTER on February 24, 2011, 07:05:41 AM
you should be very excited with those #'s from a 23/4"load !!!! I'm really anxious to see those H13 #'s  :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
sounds like you will be ready. best of luck
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Gobble! on February 24, 2011, 09:02:21 AM
Sure this is 40 yards?

Is that a new 2 3/4"  4oz shell?

Those numbers are amazing.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: BigPeck215 on February 24, 2011, 09:43:30 AM
wouldn't waste my money on hevi if i was getting those kinds numbers with a lead 2.75" shell, congrats
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: Gobble! on February 24, 2011, 09:02:21 AM
Sure this is 40 yards?

Is that a new 2 3/4"  4oz shell?

Those numbers are amazing.

it was 40 yards measured w/ a laser range finder.  so, it might of been somewhere between 38-42 yards.  also, i listed the wrong shell before.  i was shooting 2 3/4" Winchester Supreme Turkey loads #5s & #6s; i'm not sure if they were the 1 5/8 oz. or 1 1/2 oz.  the only reason i'm not satisfied w/ the PG this year is because last spring my groups looked much tighter with a different barrel.  unfortunately, i had to replace the barrel after last season.  although, i don't have any #'s from last year to compare the two.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Reloader on February 24, 2011, 05:43:37 PM
Man, That is the best lead 2-3/4" count I've ever heard of.  Sight that thing in and go hunting.

I've patterned more lead shells than I care to remember and 150 in the 10 at 40 has been my all time best. That was from a 3.5" load.

Your #5 count is outstanding for 2-3/4" as well.

Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: mmusso on February 24, 2011, 07:01:26 PM
You're getting better numbers than I got last year out of everything I tried, 3 and 3.5 H13 included. I hate you  ;D

Seriously though, I would not change a thing if my setup was
a: shooting groups that solid
or
b: shooting that well for CHEAP

Congrats man!!
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Crutch on February 24, 2011, 09:14:28 PM
QuoteSupreme Turkey loads #5s & #6s; i'm not sure if they were the 1 5/8 oz. or 1 1/2 oz.

My empty box of Winchester supreme 2 3/4 1300 fps shells came with 1.5 ounces of lead.   
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: FttFttVroom! on February 24, 2011, 09:57:33 PM
When you think about it....the 2.75" load isn't fighting for room going through that choke like a 3 or 3.5" shot column would do.  Less deformation of the shot might be a reason for the good numbers on target with the 2.75" shells, or is that just a wild guess?
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Crutch on February 24, 2011, 11:12:14 PM
I thoght that was true for steel shot that wants to release tension loads after being compressed by a choke so they spring out. Good chance I am wrong about that though.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Jayhawkeye on March 03, 2011, 12:43:29 AM
i went out today to get a little more patterning done.  here are my Mossberg 930 24" Barrel (Pure Gold Choke) updated #s: 

2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey Loads #4's (PG choke) = 97 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey Loads #5's (PG choke) = 89 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey Loads #6's (PG choke) = 156 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards

2 ¾" Remington Premier Turkey Loads #5's (PG choke) = 74 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Remington Duplex Turkey Loads (PG choke) = 96 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards

2 ¾" Hevi-13 Loads #4's (PG choke) = 53 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Hevi-13 Loads #5's (PG choke) = 117 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Hevi-13 Loads #6's (PG choke) = 135 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards

Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: TrkyHntr on March 03, 2011, 12:50:24 AM
Those are some awesome numbers for 2 3/4" loads, especially the #6's.




Shane
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: shootumindaface on March 03, 2011, 12:57:22 AM
This thread has me cracking up.. Dude if you can get 140s with 2 3/4 lead, I will "Bow to my sensei" that is amazing.. I thought this one some guy that shot the H 13 7s and had 140s, than I went back and read and was like good grief, that is simply amazing..
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: hookedspur on March 03, 2011, 06:59:59 AM
Quote from: Jayhawkeye on February 24, 2011, 12:28:27 AM
Here's the #'s I counted tonight:

2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey loads #5's (PG choke) = 97 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey loads #6's (PG choke) = 156 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards

i'm not sure if they were the 1 5/8 oz. or 1 ½" oz. loads...
very good for lead.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: gophert on March 03, 2011, 07:51:34 AM
I have a Rem 1100 that only shoots 2 3/4.  It has a hastings choke II barrel with a Hastings .660 choke. 

2 3/4 Winchester Supreme Turkey #4 = 68 in a 10" at 40

DUDE..your patterns are great!!!! I would probably kick my wife out of the bed and sleep with that PG.
Title: Re: I did some patterning today...
Post by: Nick_The_Tinkerer on March 13, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: Jayhawkeye on March 03, 2011, 12:43:29 AM
i went out today to get a little more patterning done.  here are my Mossberg 930 24" Barrel (Pure Gold Choke) updated #s: 

2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey Loads #4's (PG choke) = 97 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey Loads #5's (PG choke) = 89 hit in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Winchester Supreme Turkey Loads #6's (PG choke) = 156 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards

2 ¾" Remington Premier Turkey Loads #5's (PG choke) = 74 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Remington Duplex Turkey Loads (PG choke) = 96 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards

2 ¾" Hevi-13 Loads #4's (PG choke) = 53 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Hevi-13 Loads #5's (PG choke) = 117 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards
2 ¾" Hevi-13 Loads #6's (PG choke) = 135 hits in 10" circle @ 40 yards



:drool:

THOSE ARE SOME TERRIBLE NUMBERS - YOU SHOULD JUST GIVE ME THAT CHOKE AND GET YOURSELF ANOTHER....PM ME FOR MY ADDRESS

:thanks: :lol: :lol: :lol: