i was wondering if a pump shotgun or a semi shotgun will shoot better i have heard people say that a semi releases the gas making it shoot better wondering if there was any truth to that or why some pick one over the other
I'm a pump man because I feel like if it jams I want to do it myself. I know it probably wont if it's cleaned right, but that's just the way I think.
Quote from: Gooserbat on March 13, 2012, 02:05:07 AM
I'm a pump man because I feel like if it jams I want to do it myself. I know it probably wont if it's cleaned right, but that's just the way I think.
That's an interesting statement. When I shoot sporting clays I take notice to gun problems. I have found that pumps jam much more often than semis. It is mainly due to shooter error and short pumping for a quick second shot. Anyway, I could never tell much difference in pattering between the two. The gas semi will kick less and have a little less velocity though.
I Think it depends on the Quality of the Gun whether its a Pump or an Auto,I Prefer Pumps over autos,I found the Stoeger p350 and the remington 870 Express Sm shurshot to be junk because of the Jamming issue and a Buddy owns a Stoeger 2000 and its junk,Buy Quality on any Gun and it will work,Buy a Browning Pump or Auto and Enjoy hunting.And i have found Auto's Jam more then my Bps,Which is the Best Shotgun you can buy for Turkey Huntin,IMO.
Quote from: joker on March 13, 2012, 06:18:05 AM
Quote from: Gooserbat on March 13, 2012, 02:05:07 AM
I'm a pump man because I feel like if it jams I want to do it myself. I know it probably wont if it's cleaned right, but that's just the way I think.
That's an interesting statement. When I shoot sporting clays I take notice to gun problems. I have found that pumps jam much more often than semis. It is mainly due to shooter error and short pumping for a quick second shot. Anyway, I could never tell much difference in pattering between the two. The gas semi will kick less and have a little less velocity though.
That's exactly what I mean. If I jam my pump gun then I'm the one at fault, it's not mechanical eror. You can never take self out of an equassion.
Semi..kicks less..shoots great..keep your fillings :funnyturkey:
I prefer Semi for the following reasons, but non is due to shot
Forend is solid when I grab the gun (no noise)
If I need a second shot I can stay on target faster (some are really good with pumps on doing this but semi's still have a edge)
I don't shoot a ton, the 1100 and 1187 are really easy to clean and care for and besides a breach bolt buffer shattering after 35 yrs on my 1100 I have had no issues in cycling or shooting in the field.
I used a 870 for several years and my first gun was a 20 gauge pump that all get the job done, but I would think any gas compensation would be minor on pattern. I'll will watch to see if others have comments.
Quote from: GrizzlyMan1980 on March 13, 2012, 10:26:17 AM
I Think it depends on the Quality of the Gun whether its a Pump or an Auto,I Prefer Pumps over autos,I found the Stoeger p350 and the remington 870 Express Sm shurshot to be junk because of the Jamming issue and a Buddy owns a Stoeger 2000 and its junk,Buy Quality on any Gun and it will work,Buy a Browning Pump or Auto and Enjoy hunting.And i have found Auto's Jam more then my Bps,Which is the Best Shotgun you can buy for Turkey Huntin,IMO.
That's exactly what this is, an opinion. It's funny to me that when anyone talks about the all time greatest pump shotgun, browning is never mentioned. It's the remington 870. They are tight, do not rattle, and I have never had one jam. How can it jam unless you short jack the empty and run the fresh round in behind it. Your browning will do this exact same thing. This is not a jam, it's called human error.
Quote from: bushwhacker on March 13, 2012, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: GrizzlyMan1980 on March 13, 2012, 10:26:17 AM
I Think it depends on the Quality of the Gun whether its a Pump or an Auto,I Prefer Pumps over autos,I found the Stoeger p350 and the remington 870 Express Sm shurshot to be junk because of the Jamming issue and a Buddy owns a Stoeger 2000 and its junk,Buy Quality on any Gun and it will work,Buy a Browning Pump or Auto and Enjoy hunting.And i have found Auto's Jam more then my Bps,Which is the Best Shotgun you can buy for Turkey Huntin,IMO.
That's exactly what this is, an opinion. It's funny to me that when anyone talks about the all time greatest pump shotgun, browning is never mentioned. It's the remington 870. They are tight, do not rattle, and I have never had one jam. How can it jam unless you short jack the empty and run the fresh round in behind it. Your browning will do this exact same thing. This is not a jam, it's called human error.
No Bud,It jammed on every 3.5' Shell i put through it,Every brand,Keep drinking your coolaid and i will keep drinking mine,You have no idea what you are talking about,The Remington jammed because it was built like crap.Its an Express model and you get what you pay for,My Browning does not jam on any shell i have put through it,Im not American and dont have to Kiss Remingtons Azz ,Sorry if i am being a little rough but i have owned plenty of guns in my lifetime and the Express line of guns are not as high quality as a Browning Bps,I am glad you love your express but dont ever think it wont jam,it will.Browning is Top Notch and Twice the Gun a 870 Express Is but if you like your Rem, good for ya.
Doesn't matter which gun. When that tom walks in most will never notice the recoil :toothy12:
I prefer a semi over a pump. I think they kick less and they are more comfortable for me to shoot. When shooting a pump I feel like my arms are stretched out when holding the fore arm. With a semi the fore arm is longer so I can hold the gun a little closer.
For the record, Ive had Pump guns jamb way more than a semi.
I'm not kissing anyone's hind end and never said that"your browning was junk", or that any other shotgun was junk. But you can't say that a particular brand is junk when you got a lemon. They come in all makes and models. Numbers prove that these firearms are not junk when they outsell every other make and model every year and have since they were put into production. Also I am american and every dollar I can keep in this country is staying here and not going to a japanese made browning. I'm sure they are fine guns, never have owned one and don't plan on it. I'll stick with my "junk" AMERICAN made remington and keep killing the AMERICAN wild turkey. Now have some Kool aid. :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
I prefer a semi auto. I like the smaller in diameter forend, no rattle, faster follow up shots, easier to clean (Benelli's) and weigh less.
I sold my pump for an auto. Need I say more?
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Quote from: bushwhacker on March 13, 2012, 03:42:40 PM
I'm not kissing anyone's hind end and never said that"your browning was junk", or that any other shotgun was junk. But you can't say that a particular brand is junk when you got a lemon. They come in all makes and models. Numbers prove that these firearms are not junk when they outsell every other make and model every year and have since they were put into production. Also I am american and every dollar I can keep in this country is staying here and not going to a japanese made browning. I'm sure they are fine guns, never have owned one and don't plan on it. I'll stick with my "junk" AMERICAN made remington and keep killing the AMERICAN wild turkey. Now have some Kool aid. :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
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Quote from: bushwhacker on March 13, 2012, 03:42:40 PM
I'm not kissing anyone's hind end and never said that"your browning was junk", or that any other shotgun was junk. But you can't say that a particular brand is junk when you got a lemon. They come in all makes and models. Numbers prove that these firearms are not junk when they outsell every other make and model every year and have since they were put into production. Also I am american and every dollar I can keep in this country is staying here and not going to a japanese made browning. I'm sure they are fine guns, never have owned one and don't plan on it. I'll stick with my "junk" AMERICAN made remington and keep killing the AMERICAN wild turkey. Now have some Kool aid. :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
I Would rather own a Japanesse made Browning before i bought another"American made 870 Express,The wing master and autos are great guns,But the Express line,Not so much for me,Nice looking gun but action was not as clean as a Bps,Fit and finish are not close and the one i bought jammed on every shell from every company(3.5")Remington told me to send it in and they would fix it,Oh you mean a week into turkey season?No thanks,So i went and bought the Browning,Not one Jam or anything so far,Heres to holding my breath it dont happen.,Im sure i got a Lemon but it turned me off of Remington Express 870's.Cheers and Enjoy your Gun and Turkey season. :anim_25:
I own, like and hunt with both. I have 4 turkey specific shotguns not including my Knight TK 2000 ML. Three are pumps and one is an auto. I have a 10 ga, two 12's and a 20. IMO "Variety is the spice of life"
My single shot 12ga with the 32" barrel has never jammed on me once, just joking. I own both simi's and pumps and knock on wood have never had any problems jamming. As far as recoil they all kick with turkey loads
Semi-Auto for me! Why because I shoot them better. I tried the pump and did not like them at all. I guess I have shot O/U's and auto's to many years grouse hunting.
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I'm not kissing anyone's hind end and never said that"your browning was junk", or that any other shotgun was junk. But you can't say that a particular brand is junk when you got a lemon. They come in all makes and models. Numbers prove that these firearms are not junk when they outsell every other make and model every year and have since they were put into production. Also I am american and every dollar I can keep in this country is staying here and not going to a japanese made browning. I'm sure they are fine guns, never have owned one and don't plan on it. I'll stick with my "junk" AMERICAN made remington and keep killing the AMERICAN wild turkey. Now have some Kool aid. :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
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I like both pump and auto's. You may get a little more velocity with a pump. I have an 1187 and an 870 and I pick up the 870 every time but that's just because it's set up for turkey hunting only. Sureshot stock, timney trigger, etc... As a matter of fact I got rid of my browning bps to get my 870 and have been very happy with that decision ever since!