I finally got to the range today to test the new lot number I got this year, vs. the old lot number I had. It was dissapointing to say the least. I shot my SBE II with a 26 inch barrel, and Jellyhead .660 in the tube. All shots were at a measured 40 yards, with temps in the low 60's, and a decent breeze blowing. I shot with the wind at my back. After I shot the first two shots, I shot one from each of the old lots to make sure something wasn't wrong with my gun(it was that bad). I shot the 7's and the 6's from this years lot numbers first, and then one from each of my good lot nunbers(2010)
This years shells
7's from lot # 300524 189
6's from lot # 300756 99
2010 year shells
7's from lot # 300324 304
7's from lot # 200514 258
6's from lot # 300159 233
Definately not what I was hoping for. I've got an Indian Creek on the way, that should be here tomorrow. Weather permitting I plan to shoot on Tuesday. When I do, I'll update the post with those number. I'm not shooting anymore of the good shells, except at turkeys, so the update will have pattern numbers from the two new lots numbers, and the IC. I've got my fingers crossed! On a side note, I shot a Winchester Supreme HV 3.5in 2oz load of 5's at 40 yards and had a count of 83. Not much worse than the Hevi 6's. I'm a little bummed at the moment.
That is a major difference. My SBE 2 likes the Indian Creek better than the Jelly head. Mine has the 24 inch barrel. Maybe that will do the trick. Good luck.
My 24" SBEII did better with a final strut .665 than the I.C .665 with everything except the win. elite xtend range #6's.
The Indian Creek tube came today. I should have results by tomorrow. I'm still baffled by the huge drop off in numbers. I ecpected some, like maybe 50-60 pellets, but not 100-150. I'll post the numbers tomorrow evening, after I get to shoot.
Are these 3" or 3.5" lots?
Sounds awful. I have 80 rds ordered that will be here Wed. I will be an unhappy camper if I have the same results.
Wow 98 with the 6s. Might as well shoot #5 lead.
Something is wrong that is too far off.
WOW... I GET THAT OUTTA 3" SHELLS
THAT IS HORRIBLE
I know. That's what I thought. That's why I shot some of my older shells. They shot fine. Im going to try the IC today with the new stuff and see how it goes.
Quote from: mossy835 on March 12, 2012, 09:49:44 PM
Something is wrong that is too far off.
Keep us posted I'm very interested because i got a box that had the 300700 lot number, and i have 3 brand new boxes with no,none,notta,zilch for lot numbers.
Too windy to shoot to day. 15-20mph. Tomorrow looks perfect. I'll post results as soon as I get home from shooting. As to the lot numbers. How bout it, no numbers, we can't check, or complain with as much merit. If the IC doesn't shoot the hevi's well, I may be another headed for the winchester ER.
That's exactly what i thought when I saw they didn't have any lot numbers. Its to bad ENVIRON METAL dont get someone in there that give's a darn about there product to take over and straighten out that place.
I also noticed a drop in numbers with this years Hevi-13 3.5 2.25 6's as compare to last year.
I'm getting an average of 30 less pellets at 40 yards this year with lot # 300787, but can't remember what lot # I shot last year, but they were definitely better?
I bought two boxes of 3 1/2 magblends yesterday. The lot numbers were the same but i cant remember the last two numbers. (3007??). Im gonna shoot them tomorrow and see how they compare to the older magblends i have.
Well guys, I got to shoot today. The result weren't favorable, as far as the "new" hevi loads are concerned. Here are the numbers at 40 yards from my SHE II and IC .665, with the 3.5 inch loads.
This years shells
7's from lot # 300524 185
6's from lot # 300756 130
2010 shells
7's from lot# 200514 266
Here are the nimbers I shot earlier this week with the JH .660
This years shells
7's from lot # 300524 189
6's from lot # 300756 99
2010 year shells
7's from lot # 300324 304
7's from lot # 200514 258
6's from lot # 300159 233
While the IC did shoot the new 6's and the old 7's a bit better, it shot the new 7's a bit less effectively. The Indian Creek patterns did seem to be more even than the ones from the Jelly Head though. However, in both cases, the shells from this year patterned dramatically worse than the shells from 2010. About 100 pellets less in both cases. Even 50 less would have been bad, but acceptable to me. 100 pellets less is rediculous. I think I'm going to try the Winchester ER and see how it does.
Good info. May help explain some of the baffling results some of us have gotten.
It'd be interesting to see one of each (good lot and bad lot) dissected to see if there are any obvious differences.
Those are disturbing results for sure.
What makes it much worse is the increased prices of Hevi-13. I got 190 in a 10" circle out of a 3.5-2.25-6 through my Mossy 835 and a SumToy .675 choke. I didn't look at the lot numbers, but I have multiple lot numbers, so I figure it's a crap shoot.
I will still take 190 in the 10 ring at 40 any day though.
Quote from: chatterbox on March 15, 2012, 05:42:54 AM
Those are disturbing results for sure.
What makes it much worse is the increased prices of Hevi-13.
Very true, could it be increased prices, equal increased demand, which equals decreased quality?
If they are selling them just as fast as they can make them, they probably don't see a need or have the time for quality control? Or just flat out do not care, because they are moving? I'd hate to think this ,but there's no other reason? Maybe if demand goes down, they will hear our cry, and quality would then go up?
The shells were disected last year and the culprit is a different wad.
This years shells (lot # 300514) gave me 271 with the 7's at 40 yds.
I did however notice a drop off with the current production of 6's. Only got 163 and
I can do 179 with Winchester XRHD
If its just a bad wad can't we just pull them and replace them with a wad that works
My Lot# for #7 is 300325 and Lot# for #6 is 300186 , I shoot IC .665, what do you think they OK
Yes, those should do fine......but pattern them anyhow to be sure yourself :fud:
The lot #s I got this year were 380754 an 390755 has anyone patterned them this year..Thanks...
Shot one yeterday from lot# 300524 - 284 @ 42yds
what does that setup shoot with the old shells I.e. 300325?
Never shot the 3003XX's, with 300500's 270-290.
Borden,
I'll help you and buy the new 7's off of you if you don't want them. They work pretty good in the 535. The patterns I posted here were from the new lot numbers.
Quote from: BigHooks on March 17, 2012, 01:01:29 AM
The lot #s I got this year were 380754 an 390755 has anyone patterned them this year..Thanks...
I shot lot#380754 today with 870 Sm polished,clean 23" gun at taped 40yids w/PG 670 & mad max 675 temp 65 Was hoping to get better #s out of 3.5 2.25 #7's
PG 188 in 10"
mad max 220 10" 235 in 20"
That don't surprise me hevi said they were going to go back to the old wad they were using I guess they didn't. There still better than lead I don't know if the price justifies it or not...
Quote from: BrownTrout on March 17, 2012, 10:36:34 AM
Borden,
I'll help you and buy the new 7's off of you if you don't want them. They work pretty good in the 535. The patterns I posted here were from the new lot numbers.
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I'm gonna hang onto them for now. They still shoot way better than any lead I've tried in my gun. That is unless the winchester ER patterns well. Then I'll probably sell the hevi, and stock up on the ER.